Fat Shat Sings posted:

i don't know if this is the place for it but the autistic robot form of argument is incredibly exhausting and serves to just browbeat the opposition into shutting up by minmaxing intellectual discourse demanding a never ending series of examples and arguing endlessly about the semantics of the other person's viewpoint.

It's not as bad as creating false hypothetical where a dissenting opinion somehow gives rise to the anti-christ and black people are beaten in the streets because anime forums poster said "The blacks" or whatever but it's close.

Lowtax posted:

As her husband, I can 100% assure you she's upset because she previously considered herself to be a feminist Canadian liberal from the weed capital of the world, and the attitude amongst fellow liberals here blew her out of the water.

Nevvy Z posted:

I don't base my identity on hating bigots, so this doesn't work.

Tolkien minority posted:

you posted within 5 minutes of the thread being open to call anyone who thinks dumb stuff is going on here racist and imply lady ambien is racist too. you are not one of the reasonable people lol

Chelb posted:

Alright, okay. Maybe that particular probation has less to do with the breaking of rules or shitposting, but for pissing off a lot of people including the mod in question (because mods are, yes, human beings).

Here's my question: In what way does a single, extremely mild probation deserve an in-depth discussion about the topic? Why must a single not amazingly justifiable call be put under a microscope? How is this single isolated incidence not suspect in how it relates to a recently modded black woman, and by itself says extremely little about the state of d&d moderation?

Nevvy Z posted:

It was ignored becuase no one thought you were posting it in good faith.

Lowtax posted:

As her husband, I can 100% assure you she's upset because she previously considered herself to be a feminist Canadian liberal from the weed capital of the world, and the attitude amongst fellow liberals here blew her out of the water.

VendaGoat posted:

You chose a side.

Invisible Handjob posted:

yeah nothing I said was wrong, what made you think it wasn't in good faith?

so you think ching chong wing wong poo poo is okay?
was it because you don't find the term mongoloid offensive and think it's a joke?
was it because I mentioned chris rock's offensive stereotyping at the oscars?

or did you get offended by me mentioning the long history of discrimination Asians have faced in this country, including their expulsion and exclusion after building the railroad for near slave wages? the fact that they look completely different, often are first generation immigrants and stereotyped as being unable to speak english?

you know how many loving eating cat and dog comments an asian person in rural america has to go through on a daily basis?

none of you thought that was serious enough to comment on though, ok

The ideology eater posted:

Okay I guess I'll spell it out then. You're getting real upset about people not engaging with unreasonable people while wanting to do the same thing yourself.

Invisible Handjob posted:

yeah nothing I said was wrong, what made you think it wasn't in good faith?
....
none of you thought that was serious enough to comment on though, ok

Oil of Paris posted:

I didnt find it worthy of discussion until you needed an example. I laughed about its pettiness earlier today in the QCS thread. the reason it is being used as an example is due to it being emblematic of an apparently ongoing problem with posters who disagree with the consensus being silenced for their opinions. i think you are really stretching to place the mods race at the forefront of this, instead of her doing exactly what people are tired of seeing in DnD

The ideology eater posted:

hmm:
https://twitter.com/ashleenkathli/status/819019436258684930

Invisible Handjob posted:

shut up you loving racist piece of filth

Chelb posted:

You're right. People are just getting their feelings too dang hurt by this liberal posting atmosphere, which is why others should have their feelings hurt through stereotypes and casual slurs.

Oil of Paris posted:

I didnt find it worthy of discussion until you needed an example. I laughed about its pettiness earlier today in the QCS thread. the reason it is being used as an example is due to it being emblematic of an apparently ongoing problem with posters who disagree with the consensus being silenced for their opinions. i think you are really stretching to place the mods race at the forefront of this, instead of her doing exactly what people are tired of seeing in DnD

Lime Tonics posted:

This is where the conflict happens though, what if you don't want a side to begin with, and are grouped?

Neurolimal posted:

also that she does have a point with how hostile people are atm to even light whiffs of possible wrongthought or wrongwordage

VendaGoat posted:

You chose a side.

Saint Isaias Boner posted:

i'm sure she'll begin to heal now that it's been explained to her through the medium of gifs that she's a racist TERF bigot with a penchant for reactionary politics in a stolen country

Neurolimal posted:

as a member of a minority group: you're kind of an rear end in a top hat towards well meaning people and should be smoked like a fag

Lowtax posted:

People will infer whatever they choose to infer, and that's usually whatever fits their worldview. There's no way to prevent people from reading in their own opinions or drawing their own conclusions. That's what people do. I've never claimed to be 100℅ objective, or able to definitely say what is or is not racist. Same with "hate speech." Is it okay for me to say "all pedophiles should be locked in prison?" (Queue joke about not having any mods here). That's technically hate speech, but it's a group of people a majority of our population have deemed unacceptable. Which groups should or should not be protected under hate speech?

Note I do not have the answers for these questions, I am posting them to debate and discuss.

VendaGoat posted:

Why do some groups deserve your protection and others don't?

Blue Raider posted:

i guess its curtains for negrotown then

The ideology eater posted:

Nevvy Z posted:

Because this reads like a parody of a bad stone cold post

Kristov posted:

Lol. This is some "you're intolerant for not tolerating my intolerance" poo poo.

VendaGoat posted:

Ahhhh here we can get into some MEAT!

This is when someone else projects their own beliefs upon you. Others may dog pile with them in lumping you or others into a whatever, be it true or not.

You as an individual are then required to stand up for yourself. Defending from the position THEY set for you makes your guilt of their assertion almost concrete.

You must rise above it, much like not falling to bait arguments and present your opinion as concisely as possible. And then deal with the consequences of that.

Oil of Paris posted:

I didnt find it worthy of discussion until you needed an example. I laughed about its pettiness earlier today in the QCS thread. the reason it is being used as an example is due to it being emblematic of an apparently ongoing problem with posters who disagree with the consensus being silenced for their opinions. i think you are really stretching to place the mods race at the forefront of this, instead of her doing exactly what people are tired of seeing in DnD

Saint Isaias Boner posted:

i'm sure she'll begin to heal now that it's been explained to her through the medium of gifs that she's a racist TERF bigot with a penchant for reactionary politics in a stolen country

VendaGoat posted:

Ahhhh here we can get into some MEAT!

This is when someone else projects their own beliefs upon you. Others may dog pile with them in lumping you or others into a whatever, be it true or not.

You as an individual are then required to stand up for yourself. Defending from the position THEY set for you makes your guilt of their assertion almost concrete.

You must rise above it, much like not falling to bait arguments and present your opinion as concisely as possible. And then deal with the consequences of that.

Archer666 posted:

Because I'm morally or ethically in opposition to them. Pedophiles hurt children, the KKK spreads irrational hatred. These things are not okay in my book, so I won't protect them.

Invisible Handjob posted:

shut up you privileged white filth

FactsAreUseless posted:

Who gives a poo poo? What's funny about collecting photos and personal information about our users to fuel your weird hate of LGBT people? If that's this website's new direction then count me the gently caress out. I've been totally willing to support encouraging more flexibility on slurs. Hell, I've always been pretty flexible on that myself. Get D&D a conservative mod. Let's make it more free, let's allow for more debate from all sides. Let's change a situation in which D&D is liberal and GBS is conservative, that's all fine. But I draw the line at encouraging people to act more like the insane doxxing website full of complete loving nutjobs who have made it their job to obsess about the personal lives of other people.

Nevvy Z posted:

No, now if you'lle xcuse me I need to make a post in QCS about how mean people in D&D have been to me.

Archer666 posted:

I'm not a mod though, nor do I want to be one. Especially a D&D mod. Because I'm an idiot.

Lime Tonics posted:

Yeah, but what if i'm lazy and don't care, and you say i'm wrong and it doesn't bother me?

No one really wins and argument unless you are I say i am wrong.

Or they could have just left it to them, which is easiest.

paranoid randroid posted:

with all due respect to the OP, surely you must have realized this thread would be absolutely loving dreadful

Oil of Paris posted:

i am not sure what the opinion of ladyambien has to do with me. i imagine she is frustrated that she was almost immediately called a racist for questioning the mods decisions

WampaLord posted:

Maybe people would take you more seriously if you used the shift key. I tend to see people who don't bother using shift as low effort.