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Paul Zuvella posted:Brian Doziers trade value is the highest it's possibly going to be right now. Plus Love's impact as 1 of the starting 5 greatly outweighs Dozier's potential impact as 1 of the starting 8, especially when you factor in usage/leverage. And the Cavs had quite the unique situation with LeBron's return, so there was extra incentive to satisfy his preferences and go all-out while the window was open. I can't really fathom Kershaw or any other star knocking on a door to stress that they need to go get Dozier. But hey, it just takes one bad GM to make a panic move. I would bet against it but it's still possible.
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Timby posted:I still think Cubs fans heavily overrate Schwarber's bat. He's an on-base machine but he's consistently proven that he can't hit lefties at any level above A ball. As much as I love Schwarber I agree on him being a bit overrated. His contact rate is abysmal and there is no way he can keep up that home run rate. Plus I think teams are going to apply the shift to him much more next season. Still think he'll improve against lefties and all-around but not sure he's going to turn into one of the best pure hitters in baseball like some Cubs fans believe.
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Forgive them Beefy Lad they know not what they have done.
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I've yet to hear any plausible proposal of even one other team that's likely to give up more than JDL+ for Dozier. There simply aren't any other near-term contenders who need a 2B upgrade as badly as the Dodgers do, AND who have prospects as good as JDL to trade. The Twins can either hold on to Dozier and hope that both: 1) he doesn't have a slow start this year 2) some contender gets desperate at the deadline for a 2B due to injury etc Or they can trade him now for an MLB-ready starter who's upside is James Shields and a couple other lotto tickets. They've chosen to take the former risk rather than the latter, and I get the impression it's because this is a new front office group and they're worried about the fan optics of trading a beloved player like Dozier as their first big move. Anyway, that's more than enough harping on IcePhoenix, sorry dude.
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Niwrad posted:As much as I love Schwarber I agree on him being a bit overrated. His contact rate is abysmal and there is no way he can keep up that home run rate. Plus I think teams are going to apply the shift to him much more next season. Still think he'll improve against lefties and all-around but not sure he's going to turn into one of the best pure hitters in baseball like some Cubs fans believe. Sorry can't hear you over my sports radio people telling me he's going to be Babe 'effing Ruth
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Jan 12, 2017 23:45
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Jan 12, 2017 23:48
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yes, the 23 year old who spent all of one full season in the minors has peaked
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Small Sample Size it all you want but anyone who can go straight from the DL and two Arizona Fall League games to a .412/.500/.471 line in the World Series probably has enough natural hitting talent to figure out lefties and beat shifts in the next half-decade or so
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Poque posted:yes, the 23 year old who spent all of one full season in the minors has peaked I don't think anyone is saying that. Just that his bad contact rate and the fact he is left-handed will limit how good he can potentially be. Still think he's going to be a really good hitter, just not what some people are valuing him at.
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Like sure your right. But holy poo poo this dude went from not hitting major league pitching after being out p much the whole year to being important and key in almost every win in the World Series. I'm just gonna marinate in that fact for an offseason irrationally.
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My hot take is that Schwarber will be a good power hitter and OBP presence, and if he avoids injury and gets a full season's worth of AB's he'll probably improve at least marginally against LHP. To this end I think he shouldn't be catching and risking further injury and instead play LF where the Cubs can rely primarily on Jay, Almora, and Heyward to provide the bulk of the defense. This ends my hot take.
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Sydin posted:My hot take is that Schwarber will be a good power hitter and OBP presence, and if he avoids injury and gets a full season's worth of AB's he'll probably improve at least marginally against LHP. To this end I think he shouldn't be catching and risking further injury and instead play LF where the Cubs can rely primarily on Jay, Almora, and Heyward to provide the bulk of the defense. Actually he should be traded to an AL team where he can just hit, as is proper and intended.
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Inspector_666 posted:Actually he should be traded to an AL team where he can just hit, as is proper and intended. Nope. Bring DH to both leagues imo
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Dexo posted:Like sure your right. But holy poo poo this dude went from not hitting major league pitching after being out p much the whole year to being important and key in almost every win in the World Series. I will probably name my first born after him for what he did in the World Series. I just think it got a little crazy when people were saying they wouldn't put him in a Chris Sale trade.
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Niwrad posted:I will probably name my first born after him for what he did in the World Series. I just think it got a little crazy when people were saying they wouldn't put him in a Chris Sale trade. I worked Cubs Convention last year and one couple I checked in was extremely excited to tell me how horny they were after the Schwarbomb and how it resulted in the "Schwarbaby" growing inside of the wife Niwrad posted:I don't think anyone is saying that. Just that his bad contact rate and the fact he is left-handed will limit how good he can potentially be. Still think he's going to be a really good hitter, just not what some people are valuing him at. His contact rate was better than Bryant's in 2015, and Bryant's went up like 7% in 2016. you can improve on these things. I do not think he will be Babe Ruth, just that his peak is higher than his literal rookie season
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Poque posted:His contact rate was better than Bryant's in 2015, and Bryant's went up like 7% in 2016. you can improve on these things. Bryant is not a left-handed pull hitter. No chance Schwarber can come close to Bryant's BABIP.
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I'm going to have faith that the guy entering his age 24 season with 85 total MLB games across the regular and postseason under his belt probably has the tools, ability and willingness to improve on his offensive weaknesses while also continuing to be the genetic freak he's shown himself to be in both ideal and non-ideal situations.
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Kyle Schwarber is fat
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Dexo posted:Nope. No, it's fun watching 10 or so game a year where teams have to work around their pitchers at the plate.
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New Concept Hole posted:Holy poo poo we've invoked post season slash lines brace for impact I'd swear someone cited the Cubs' team babip for a single game at one point last October.
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CubsWoo posted:Small Sample Size it all you want but anyone who can go straight from the DL and two Arizona Fall League games to a .412/.500/.471 line in the World Series probably has enough natural hitting talent to figure out lefties and beat shifts in the next half-decade or so Yeah, no. A sample size of 20(!) PAs is literally meaningless, whether it's the World Series or spring training. I'm probably lower on Schwarber than a lot of people here (and certainly lower than the Cubs fans). I'm not expecting him to fall off a cliff but I wouldn't be surprised if he can't maintain a 130 OPS+ since he'll probably be seeing a lot more shifts and LOOGYs than he did in 2015.
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Tony Phillips posted:I'd swear someone cited the Cubs' team babip for a single game at one point last October. It was before that, I remember it. It was someone talking about how the Cubs had the actual best record in baseball when they didn't because of BABIP or something. I want to say it was in May or June. It was like "loss x shouldn't count because the babip was .400" and poo poo like that. It was magical.
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bawfuls posted:I've yet to hear any plausible proposal of even one other team that's likely to give up more than JDL+ for Dozier. There simply aren't any other near-term contenders who need a 2B upgrade as badly as the Dodgers do, AND who have prospects as good as JDL to trade. not that you ever bothered to ask but my point is just that he's worth a second "good" prospect instead of lotto tickets, especially given that the Dodgers, in your words, badly need a 2B upgrade.
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IcePhoenix posted:not that you ever bothered to ask but my point is just that he's worth a second "good" prospect instead of lotto tickets, especially given that the Dodgers, in your words, badly need a 2B upgrade. Just watch, the Dodgers will trade for Brett Lawrie and then be back in the market for Dozier by like June when Lawrie inevitably ends up on the DL.
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we have a BSOHL report on MLB Network  http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/01/11/miguel-cabrera-turning-heads-with-offseason-workouts-video/
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Maybe the Twins will be contenders by 2018 and Brian Dozier will hit a walkoff home run in game 7 of the World Series.
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Patrick Spens posted:No, it's fun watching 10 or so game a year where teams have to work around their pitchers at the plate. I agree. I'm a fan of an AL team and love the DH but I like that each league has a substantive difference still.
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IcePhoenix posted:not that you ever bothered to ask but my point is just that he's worth a second "good" prospect instead of lotto tickets, especially given that the Dodgers, in your words, badly need a 2B upgrade.
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Inspector_666 posted:Actually he should be traded to an AL team where he can just hit, as is proper and intended. Swihart for Schwarber, who says no? Other than both teams that is.
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kyle schwarber scouting report beefiness: 80 dingers: 70 oafishness: 80 goatee: 20
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will_colorado posted:Rockies signed Chris Denorfia to a minor league deal. I hear he is the sickest player. https://youtu.be/aCCKEsNMomA
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howe_sam posted:Swihart for Schwarber, who says no? The Red Sox would jump on that so loving fast lmao.
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Create a new expansion team of only the beefiest players. Bartolo, Dae-Ho Lee, Schwarber, Panda. Where do we find a fat guy to play center and short?
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I have memories of Vernon wells being kinda chunky but after looking through some pics I must have been imagining things or catching him at weird angles
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LonesomeCrowdedWest posted:I have memories of Vernon wells being kinda chunky but after looking through some pics I must have been imagining things or catching him at weird angles Did you watch baseball on an HDTV with the image stretched to fit
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As a fan of both the Twins and Dodgers, the Twins are dumb as gently caress for being so low on JDL and the Dodgers are dumb as gently caress because they have an entire boardroom of Super Smart GMs and they can't figure out how to use their assets to acquire a good player who can actually play more than 1/3 of the time
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