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Chekov was added in season 2 partially to appeal to younger audiences. Hence his hair looking like the Beatles. 
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Yeah, the character was at one point planned to be British just to cash in even harder. In his first couple of appearances he's got a really atrocious mop top wig. Later he grew out his own hair instead.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Either way, CBS isn't willing to pay for it because DS9 is a niche show from a niche franchise and blu-rays are quickly becoming a niche product. The only way we'll ever see a DS9 HD Remaster is if some fan steals the original masters, redoes all the CG by hand, and releases the entire thing on a torrent site before being shut down by CBS legal. And yet, of all shows, we have seaQuest DSV Blurays. (But that's because they were making 35mm masters for international distribution while they were making the show, and they were rendering the CGI at higher-than-standard resolution... so it was presumably dirt-cheap to scan and print as BD) I dunno, I still like my idea of getting gremlins to whisper into some rich nerd's ear at night to just shove a mountain of money at CBS and WB for DS9 and Babylon 5 remasters.
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Paul Allen likes sci-fi poo poo, maybe we can convince him to pay for it.
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Khan recognizes Chekov in WoK, so apparently he was there the whole time.
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Pakled posted:Chekov was added in season 2 partially to appeal to younger audiences. Hence his hair looking like the Beatles. Sadder than that, The Monkees actually. He was specifically cast and had his hair done to look like a particular member of The Monkees.
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Jan 13, 2017 18:59
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Namaer posted:Khan recognizes Chekov in WoK, so apparently he was there the whole time. Chekov must've been Night Crew in the first season.
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Jan 13, 2017 19:10
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McSpanky posted:Chekov must've been Night Crew in the first season. Koenig used to joke at conventions that at one point when Khan was on the Enterprise, he really, really, really needed to go to the bathroom, and Chekov spent so long in there that Khan nearly pissed himself, which is why Khan was so angry to see him on Ceti Alpha V.
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Timby posted:Koenig used to joke at conventions that at one point when Khan was on the Enterprise, he really, really, really needed to go to the bathroom, and Chekov spent so long in there that Khan nearly pissed himself, which is why Khan was so angry to see him on Ceti Alpha V. Koenig's been ripping off my DeviantArt
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Jan 13, 2017 19:39
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Another fun fact from Fifty-Year Mission: apparently Rick Berman was considering having another TNG director, Winrich Kolbe, do First Contact, but Patrick Stewart put a stop to it because he'd "butted heads" with Kolbe on the show.
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Timby posted:Koenig used to joke at conventions that at one point when Khan was on the Enterprise, he really, really, really needed to go to the bathroom, and Chekov spent so long in there that Khan nearly pissed himself, which is why Khan was so angry to see him on Ceti Alpha V. The story I heard was that right after the events of Space Seed, Denebian stomach flu swept the Enterprise and sections of the ship were quarantined immediately by the ship's computer. Chekov happened to be guarding Khan when his section was cut off from the rest of the ship, both suddenly felt the stab of the flu hit their stomachs as the computer dryly announced a biohazard alert, and they both scrambled to find the nearest toilet. Khan hadn't bothered to make himself familiar with the Enterprise in detail, so instinctual knowledge of the ship won out over genetically superior leg muscles. Just as Khan rounded a hallway corner, his heart dropped and his eyes bulged in anger as he saw Chekov slam shut the door of the only available toilet in the quarantined section. Some versions of the story say Khan was able to wait it out until Chekov finished through the use of his genetically superior butt muscles. This explains Khan's pained countenance when he says "I never forget a face... Mister... :whispers: CHEKOV." Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Another fun fact from Fifty-Year Mission: apparently Rick Berman was considering having another TNG director, Winrich Kolbe, do First Contact, but Patrick Stewart put a stop to it because he'd "butted heads" with Kolbe on the show. Specifically on All Good Things..., though that was an understandably hellish shoot for Stewart because not only was it rushed, I believe he's literally in every single scene of the episode. I remember the Cinefex issue that covered First Contact had some subtle statements from Frakes that suggested he was not at all the first choice to direct the film. I will say I was kind of disappointed in how the first volume of Fifty-Year Mission spent about 75 percent of its pages covering TOS and The Motion Picture, and then it practically flies through the next five movies. It barely touched on the blowup that Nimoy and Bennett had on Voyage Home (nor about the explosions that happened behind the scenes when the movie went to WGA arbitration), briefly talks about Konner and Rosenthal on VI (and that whole Nimoy / Meyer / WGA saga), doesn't talk about how woefully incapable Associates and Ferren was on V, etc. Although, now that I just finished the TNG movie section of the second volume, I gotta say ... Brent Spiner really seems like a cock.
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Spiner and Stewart sound like insufferable prima donnas. Dorn sounds like an ok guy. Sirtis and Frakes are funny, but Frakes is definitely a company man. I wish they'd had more interviews from LeVar and Gates in that book.
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I think Spiner's always had a reputation for being a bit acerbic. I know I've seen quotes long ago where he just shits all over Piller's writing, and basically accuses him of ruining the script to All Good Things. I'm sure I'd heard about it before at some point, but the bit where Jeri Ryan recalls being asked if she'd like to be on Nemesis was funny. I'm morbidly curious to see the alternate-universe version where she enthusiastically agrees, because while I don't think it would have necessarily made the movie any better, I can't see how it could have made the movie any worse. (I specify "enthusiastically" because the way she tells it, Rick Berman was ordered to put her in the movie, she declined, he came back with "okay... but maybe just a brief cameo at the wedding?"  )
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Spiner and Stewart kinda had the execs by the balls, though, because when things shook themselves out TNG was ultimately the Picard and Data show, and pretty much everyone knew it.
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I know the thread's discussed Grace Lee Whitney's autobiography before, but had anyone conclusively figured out who "The Executive" was? https://twitter.com/mightygodking/status/819955262421340161
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The Dark One posted:I know the thread's discussed Grace Lee Whitney's autobiography before, but had anyone conclusively figured out who "The Executive" was? This thread is a good example of why the Twitter format is terrible.
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dont even fink about it posted:This thread is a good example of why the Twitter format is terrible. Seriously, people using Twitter to tell a story in 140-character segments are loving doing it wrong. Write out your story, then tweet a link to it.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I think Spiner's always had a reputation for being a bit acerbic. I know I've seen quotes long ago where he just shits all over Piller's writing, and basically accuses him of ruining the script to All Good Things. The "space pilgrims at the anomaly" thing that Piller added wound up in JM Dillard's novelization, and it is the weirdest loving thing. quote:I'm sure I'd heard about it before at some point, but the bit where Jeri Ryan recalls being asked if she'd like to be on Nemesis was funny. I'm morbidly curious to see the alternate-universe version where she enthusiastically agrees, because while I don't think it would have necessarily made the movie any better, I can't see how it could have made the movie any worse. The funny thing about the Nemesis portion is that, like, everyone sucks John Logan's dick in it, despite him coming up with an utter trainwreck of a script. The Dark One posted:I know the thread's discussed Grace Lee Whitney's autobiography before, but had anyone conclusively figured out who "The Executive" was? All Whitney ever said was that it wasn't Roddenberry and that it was a Desilu executive. She never named the name prior to her passing.
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It's nice that she didn't let her awful experience turn her off trek altogether. I mean, it's pretty remarkable that she was only on 8 episodes of TOS, yet managed to be in 4 of the movies and even showing up in Voyager almost 30 years later.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Spiner and Stewart sound like insufferable prima donnas. Stewart always came off to me as a guy who'd rather played a fist-swinging cowboy type, who loves dirt racing and hot women that should be out of his league. He's like an English redneck that got famous playing a French diplomat. Maybe I could be wrong but he never really struck me as a prima donna like Spiner.
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From watching The Captains it seems to me like Avery Brooks is either crazy or at best a bit eccentric, but what was he like to work with?
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CubanMissile posted:From watching The Captains it seems to me like Avery Brooks is either crazy or at best a bit eccentric, but what was he like to work with? No one had anything bad to say about him in the books. The whole DS9 section is just about everyone giving a poo poo about the show and being super professional and working hard. Brooks basically adopted Jake IRL, they super bonded. Avery would also push for or advise on a lot of the "black issues" and Ira and gang were all supportive of that since why not defer to the actual black man on that. Everyone worked together, there was minimal conflict. All the conflict was between Ira and the writing team vs Rick Berman and the studio.
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The impression I've got about Avery Brooks from various DS9 behind-the-scenes stories is that he was super-serious about his work, very intense, and really didn't put up with any poo poo. So he'd probably come across as very stand-offish and intimidating if you weren't on his wavelength.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Stewart always came off to me as a guy who'd rather played a fist-swinging cowboy type, who loves dirt racing and hot women that should be out of his league. He's like an English redneck that got famous playing a French diplomat. I'm riding my bike in the park, and this policewoman says "Oi! You can't ride your bike on the grass!" and I go "Oh no?" And her uniform falls off, and she goes "Ahh!" and she's trying to cover up, but I've seen everything anyway. And I get on my bike and I ride off. On the grass.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Stewart always came off to me as a guy who'd rather played a fist-swinging cowboy type, who loves dirt racing and hot women that should be out of his league. He's like an English redneck that got famous playing a French diplomat. Picard was written as Horatio Hornblower but I reckon Stewart would've liked to play him as Richard Sharpe.
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Baronjutter posted:No one had anything bad to say about him in the books. The whole DS9 section is just about everyone giving a poo poo about the show and being super professional and working hard. Brooks basically adopted Jake IRL, they super bonded. Avery would also push for or advise on a lot of the "black issues" and Ira and gang were all supportive of that since why not defer to the actual black man on that. Everyone worked together, there was minimal conflict. All the conflict was between Ira and the writing team vs Rick Berman and the studio. That's great they all worked together. But didn't Nana Visitor date like two other actors and there was crazy tension when those two were in scenes together? I don't remember who was involved.
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CubanMissile posted:That's great they all worked together. But didn't Nana Visitor date like two other actors and there was crazy tension when those two were in scenes together? I don't remember who was involved. She got knocked up by Siddig, that's well known. The rest is rumour. The rumour is that she was loving Avery in S1 or at least there was some flirtation, and when she shackd up with Siddig it created the bad blood. But they flat out ask Siddig about that in the 50 years book and he claims he has no idea what caused Avery to suddenly give him the cold shoulder. Also Nana is awesome and seems to be having a blast in life non-stop. She's one of those people who has to have like 9 jobs at the same time and is passionate about them all. She's on good terms with siddig too, being her babydaddy and all.
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Baronjutter posted:The rumour is that she was loving Avery in S1 or at least there was some flirtation, and when she shackd up with Siddig it created the bad blood. But they flat out ask Siddig about that in the 50 years book and he claims he has no idea what caused Avery to suddenly give him the cold shoulder. I was literally just reading that section on the bus ride home from work and Siddig actually says that stuff happened behind the scenes and it wouldn't be gentlemanly (or something like that) to talk about it. Edit: Baronjutter posted:No one had anything bad to say about him in the books. The whole DS9 section is just about everyone giving a poo poo about the show and being super professional and working hard. Brooks basically adopted Jake IRL, they super bonded. Avery would also push for or advise on a lot of the "black issues" and Ira and gang were all supportive of that since why not defer to the actual black man on that. Everyone worked together, there was minimal conflict. All the conflict was between Ira and the writing team vs Rick Berman and the studio. Both Berman and another producer say in Fifty-Year Mission that Brooks wasn't particularly easy to work with (and I have a feeling Brooks and possibly Siddig are who Berman was talking about when he was saying that "some" of the actors on non-TNG series were pills as directors, because he goes out of his way to praise Burton, Dawson, McNeill ). The other guy (I can't remember who it was at the moment) said that Brooks got along great with Visitor, Meaney and Lofton, and towards everyone else he was cold as ice. Timby fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jan 14, 2017 |
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Zek and Ishka institute sweeping financial reforms and within three months they have better social programs than the US.
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CubanMissile posted:Zek and Ishka institute sweeping financial reforms and within three months they have better social programs than the US. I can't imagine any outcome other than than Rom being assassinated or deposed some how like hours after DS9 ends. You can't just take a culture who's religion is basically extreme libertarian capitalism and crushing oppression of women and just decree that they're suddenly a marxist-femminist utopia. The grand negus isn't even dictator, he's more like a really weak CEO. Would love to see how it played out though. Zek was totally over-reaching just asking for basic women's rights and that alone would have been a multi-generation uphill battle. But Rom wanted to introduce federation style socialism on top of it all. And yeah, I got the impression that Avery took acting very very seriously and really looked down on anyone else who didn't totally dedicate them selves to "the craft" in the exact same way he did. But who cares if the guy gave you the cold shoulder, he was still a professional and you knew he wasn't going behind your back to cut your lines or get you fired to gently caress a producer into getting more screen time. They weren't there to make best friends and become way too comfortable leading to lovely results like the TNG cast, they were there to make good TV. And the dude gave a 110% performance in every scene, sometimes 150% but actually had the acting chops to pull it off, or at least actually digest all the scenery he was devouring. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jan 14, 2017 |
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Baronjutter posted:I can't imagine any outcome other than than Rom being assassinated or deposed some how like hours after DS9 ends. You can't just take a culture who's religion is basically extreme libertarian capitalism and crushing oppression of women and just decree that they're suddenly a marxist-femminist utopia. The grand negus isn't even dictator, he's more like a really weak CEO. Would love to see how it played out though. Zek was totally over-reaching just asking for basic women's rights and that alone would have been a multi-generation uphill battle. But Rom wanted to introduce federation style socialism on top of it all. lol he just got the Feds to back him militarily and the Ferengi Commerce Authority were still scared of Starfleet even after their losses in the Dominion War
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CubanMissile posted:Zek and Ishka institute sweeping financial reforms and within three months they have better social programs than the US. https://twitter.com/realRealDukat/status/819934761305206788
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm sure I'd heard about it before at some point, but the bit where Jeri Ryan recalls being asked if she'd like to be on Nemesis was funny. I'm morbidly curious to see the alternate-universe version where she enthusiastically agrees, because while I don't think it would have necessarily made the movie any better, I can't see how it could have made the movie any worse. That sounds like they wanted any screentime with her so they could stick it in the trailer.
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Baronjutter posted:No one had anything bad to say about him in the books. The whole DS9 section is just about everyone giving a poo poo about the show and being super professional and working hard. Brooks basically adopted Jake IRL, they super bonded. Avery would also push for or advise on a lot of the "black issues" and Ira and gang were all supportive of that since why not defer to the actual black man on that. Everyone worked together, there was minimal conflict. All the conflict was between Ira and the writing team vs Rick Berman and the studio. It really shows in DS9 how the actors gave a poo poo about what they were doing and the writers were willing to work on it. LIke the Ferengi actors were all involved in developing them further, ditto with Dorn and the Klingons and all that stuff. Wheat Loaf posted:Picard was written as Horatio Hornblower but I reckon Stewart would've liked to play him as Richard Sharpe. I really love this idea.
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twistedmentat posted:It really shows in DS9 how the actors gave a poo poo about what they were doing and the writers were willing to work on it. LIke the Ferengi actors were all involved in developing them further, ditto with Dorn and the Klingons and all that stuff. To be fair to the TNG cast, I don't get the impression the TNG producers were really interested in that kind of development. Roddenberry and/or Berman pretty heavily discouraged anything that would substantially call back to previous episodes. Gates McFadden complained that after she came back to the show none of the writers seemed interested in really developing her character, and Ron Moore says that Gene Roddenberry tried to veto Redemption because he didn't think Worf was a major character. I have a hard time faulting the actors for eventually deciding to just go with the flow and hope for whatever nuggets they can get.The DS9 guys on the other hand very much went into the series recognizing that there was going to be continuity and consequences, because the setting was a space station. So of course there's going to be that dialogue. Fifty-Year Mission points out that with Voyager, it was pretty explicitly a return to the TNG mindset: Bryan Fuller posted:I remember it was, like, the second episode after "Scorpion, Part Two." She was already out of her Borg suit and I was, like, "Ehhhh ... I wanted to see the transition go much more smoothly and less abruptly." I think that was something that a lot of people wanted internally in terms of the writing staff, but there was that feeling, "Nope, now we've got to settle into the syndication pattern." The solutions for things weren't always creatively based. They were sort of spreadsheet based.
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Timby posted:Filming on Discovery starts on the 24th. One would imagine a full cast announcement and brief synopsis is coming soon. They'll probably finish casting by mid February or so.
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