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anime was right posted:comparing against the average is kind of a messed up thing to do in a district thats literally A Large City And Nothing Else very misleading but he still increased turnout nevertheless! is it applicable to anything that isn't A Large City? who knows! i'm mostly willing to find out
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logikv9 posted:very misleading but he still increased turnout nevertheless! the numbers of each district are pretty similar (around 700k), just its easier to get people to vote in a small city.
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logikv9 posted:what's wrong with it the "turnout" number actually means "the number of votes keith ellison got" vs. the average number of votes republicans and democrats got in each of their congressional races. ignoring the absurdity of pretending that keith ellison is singlehandedly propelling turnout in his district, all this shows is that he has one of the most democratic district in the country where dems routinely win with 65-70% of the vote. 1. in 2006, when it had the "lowest turnout?" that was actually keith ellison running there in his first election, and the turnout was fine. it was the "turnout loser" because ellison lost 23% of his vote to third parties. 2. the graph is selectively edited to remove inconvenient info. 2004's "turnout number" was just 10k lower than 2008. it was the "turnout leader" among democratic districts that year, with the gop beating it out because they had a couple blowout wins and they were gerrymandered into oblivion anyway 3. he's using raw vote totals instead of turnout %s, and his district is the second highest in population in the state. the 6th is the closest to him in population and they trade places in highest raw turnout on midterms and presidential years, but they're generally close. so it doesn't actually reflect turnout at all. 4. he actually did worse than hillary in 2016 all this does is measure the fact that he's in a d+22 district and he has more people living there. of course the dem and gop averages are lower - everyone else's districts aren't easy 30-40 point blowouts.
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Segmentation Fault posted:Richard Baxton piloted his Recon Rover into a fungal vortex and held off four waves of mind worms, saving an entire colony. We immediately purchased his identity manifests and repackaged him into the Recon Rover Rick character with a multi-tiered media campaign: televids, touchbooks, holos, psi-tours-- the works. People need heroes. They don't need to know how he died clawing his eyes out, screaming for mercy. The real story would just hurt sales, and dampen the spirits of our customers. Pravin Lal Was Right.
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Concerned Citizen posted:the "turnout" number actually means "the number of votes keith ellison got" vs. the average number of votes republicans and democrats got in each of their congressional races. ignoring the absurdity of pretending that keith ellison is singlehandedly propelling turnout in his district, all this shows is that he has one of the most democratic district in the country where dems routinely win with 65-70% of the vote. this is all fuckin disappointing
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Jan 14, 2017 08:07
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you see, this is goo... ...od for... man, i don't even care anymore
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Jan 14, 2017 08:11
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I don't care, I hope Keith does fight dirty, I hope he fights the GOP dirty too, democrats are always sucking their thumbs worrying about being offensive to moderates or centerists or republicans, when the truth is democratic socialist and pro-worker elements should be doing every possible thing to seize power, the legendary fail that is third-way democrats/neoliberalism is literally leading the country towards fascism by sucking so much.
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etalian posted:One of the reasons why bad dems failed is the DNC training classes tended to focus on things like how to shake rich people down for money, instead of skills such as how to run a campaign. but keith we couldn't let some young upstart get in abuelas way!
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Jan 14, 2017 08:25
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Everyone should listen to this. https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-65-no-future-feat-adam-curtis-121216
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Jan 14, 2017 08:25
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all I care about is Winning and i thought keith was Good At Winning
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Jan 14, 2017 08:34
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Keith Ellison is good and will win. Bernie will win. 2020 you will all be so tired of winning.
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don't care if the people on my side do a dumb but successful politic as long as they understand reality privately
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logikv9 posted:all I care about is Winning and i thought keith was Good At Winning give him a deep blue district and he'll win the gently caress out of it
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logikv9 posted:all I care about is Winning and i thought keith was Good At Winning there's no magic bullet, the first step is literally not making GBS threads on the people you've done nothing but legislatively poo poo on for decades while dishonestly giving lip service to them
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I don't think it's particularly impressive that Ellison can win his deep blue district repeatedly but he's the only major Dem figure that seems to have a plan with regards to raising turnout and winning seats I think he'll probably win the race for DNC chair because the crux of his platform is "I know how to unfuck our party and get people to give a poo poo about us again, vote for me if you like winning downticket races" while everyone else is selling vague platitudes about ideology, and I think winning downticket races is a platform most dems can get behind, regardless of how centrist they are
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HorseRenoir posted:I don't think it's particularly impressive that Ellison can win his deep blue district repeatedly but he's the only major Dem figure that seems to have a plan with regards to raising turnout and winning seats
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Ace of Baes posted:I don't care, I hope Keith does fight dirty, I hope he fights the GOP dirty too, democrats are always sucking their thumbs worrying about being offensive to moderates or centerists or republicans, when the truth is democratic socialist and pro-worker elements should be doing every possible thing to seize power, the legendary fail that is third-way democrats/neoliberalism is literally leading the country towards fascism by sucking so much. My dream is to one day is for third way policies to be thought of as the ideas of naive ivory towered out of touch intellectuals. While workers owning their own firms are is considered sensible policy along with a well funded national health service and credit unions being where everyone keeps their money. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 09:16 on Jan 14, 2017 |
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Crowsbeak posted:My dream is to one day is for third way policies to be thought of as the ideas of naive ivory towered out of touch intellectuals. Eh, the truth is probably in the middle.
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Aurubin posted:Eh, the truth is probably in the middle.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:and the middle at this point is "safety nets and single payer health care for all" so they better get with the loving program This. Although I also want it to be Gulags for Nazis, Wahabis and Ancaps.
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Crowsbeak posted:This. Although I also want it to be Gulags for Nazis, Wahabis and Ancaps.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:we'll see soon enough if six years of losing is enough for centrists and less racist randians to swallow their pride and allow *clutches pearls* ...populism I feel like Hillary losing was a major deathblow to centrism. Just going by the massive increase in turnout for party meetings and growth in leftist organizations like the DSA since November, it seems people have lost all confidence in the centrist wing's ability to lead the party. Chuck loving Schumer is endorsing Ellison, which means that he and any centrist Dem that isn't knee-deep in Obama/Clintonland knows which way the wind is blowing
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HorseRenoir posted:I feel like Hillary losing was a major deathblow to centrism. Just going by the massive increase in turnout for party meetings and growth in leftist organizations like the DSA since November, it seems people have lost all confidence in the centrist wing's ability to lead the party. Chuck loving Schumer is endorsing Ellison, which means that he and any centrist Dem that isn't knee-deep in Obama/Clintonland knows which way the wind is blowing
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It was really funny at my county demo party where the biggest issues were training people to post on twitter and trying to understand the barbarians outside the city limits. Also they were really concerned with making sure we knew that all party doctrine came from the DNC and that we lived and died on their support no matter what we thought (said committee is being now blitzed with 3-1 bernie people now).
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I hope it lasts, the last time the Ds had a big victory they went to sticking their thumbs up their own asses in record time The problem there was that Obama was always a centrist even when people wanted to believe otherwise, so it's not really a surprise that things were business as usual for the Dems after he won, and the party mistook Obama's personal charisma for people buying into centrism The Clinton wing of the party got so thoroughly, embarrassingly pantsed last year that they don't have any leg to stand on anymore
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HorseRenoir posted:The problem there was that Obama was always a centrist even when people wanted to believe otherwise, so it's not really a surprise that things were business as usual for the Dems after he won, and the party mistook Obama's personal charisma for people buying into centrism That turned out to be a pretty big indicator of things to come in many ways, it turned out
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Concerned Citizen posted:how on earth did obama "steal kucinich's platform"
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the graph sounds pretty lovely then i still support keith but he's still a goddamn politician and full of poo poo like the rest of them hopefully just less so
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Suckthemonkey posted:the graph sounds pretty lovely then i still support keith but he's still a goddamn politician and full of poo poo like the rest of them hopefully just less so Politicians gonna politic and ain't no one holy, but, as someone who lives in Keith's district, I think he's better than most. Besides, even if you don't think his efforts to boost turnout here are all that impressive, it's still more than he needs to be doing; I'm pretty sure he'd get re-elected here by simply existing. And that trait (doing more than necessary rather than less), at the very least, is something the Democratic Party needs more of right now. Especially when that results in a prominent, successful, progressive voice in a place where you wouldn't necessarily need to be ultra-progressive to be successful.
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Ace of Baes posted:All of the people laughing at me predicted Hillary would be the strongest candidate and crush Trump, lol. it's quite possible hillary and her campaign were so bad/incompetent they literally could not beat almost anyone from the republican clowncar
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logikv9 posted:wait wait is it misleading because it's based on pure turnout count vs %, and thus giving him a higher number because higher population? yeah nominal figures used like this should always be considered kabuki statistics
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What's more humiliating, losing against every GOP candidate or actively helping the one candidate who could beat you lmao
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Ace of Baes posted:All of the people laughing at me predicted Hillary would be the strongest candidate and crush Trump, lol. lol
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trump was one of the worst candidates the gop could have elected in terms of % chance of winning the GE hillary should have won considering all her advantages and trump's disadvantages. hillary's campaign was that incompetent.
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Bushiz posted:I'm losing my insurance regardless because my aca plan tripled in price this year to the point of $500 bucks a month for a 7,500 deductible with no out of pocket max no it didn't
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