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Theresa May right now is the champion of Brexit and to a certain group can do no wrong.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Interesting point about the Tories/May versus Labour/Corbyn question on the NHS: Then the electorate needs to grow the gently caress up before they vote themselves into a grave. It's about time people stop tolerating pissflappian philosophy. "I'm going to vote against my interests because I hate jam man (for a vaguely defined reason), oh no the NHS is gone and i'm dying of a treatable illness".
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Oh dear me posted:I shall have to appeal, and I really think I have a good case, but oh god oh god oh god I don't want to attend a tribunal. There is an option of not attending, but I expect it's as good as giving up. Tribunals are a crapshoot, but anecdotally I've heard from a few different people that they got panel members who are incredibly hosed off with the whole thing (it's not what they got into sitting on tribunals to deal with) and having heard many of these cases, are quite happy to believe that the "medical" "assessors" are quacks and charlatans.
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Regarde Aduck posted:You have the benefit of not believing that the infighting they caused most of last year had any negative effect on the party. Believing instead that all negative polling was solely Jeremy's fault. The polling tells us that it almost entirely is.
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Oh dear me posted:I shall have to appeal, and I really think I have a good case, but oh god oh god oh god I don't want to attend a tribunal. There is an option of not attending, but I expect it's as good as giving up. The tribunal panel will respect medical diagnosis over whatever form filling exercise whoever the DWP contractor is now did, iirc two thirds of tribunals are successful. It's stressful getting all that together. That's part of the awful idea, to get people to drop their appeals by making it look hard. But once you're actually at tribunal, in front of people with more freedom from lovely quotas, they're a lot more reasonable.
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Jan 14, 2017 19:51
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elbkaida posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38611265 Not on a London bus
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Jan 14, 2017 19:53
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Regarde Aduck posted:Then the electorate needs to grow the gently caress up before they vote themselves into a grave. This is the logic that led to Hillary losing. Different voting segment, but still. What I'm saying is that things are pretty bad right now, for labour corbynites and non-corbynites alike. And election results could easily follow the current trend even if more people would prefer a Labour government overall.
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Jan 14, 2017 19:55
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Anyone got any good guardian.jpg pictures to hand?
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Jan 14, 2017 20:08
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https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/820329649188327429
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Jan 14, 2017 20:10
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Regarde Aduck posted:Then the electorate needs to grow the gently caress up before they vote themselves into a grave. That isn't what that table shows though is it? It doesn't ask how they will vote overall, it just suggests that on that issue they don't place much faith in Corbyn himself. As others have pointed out, they seem positive on wage ratios, improving NHS funding and don't seem to trust May overly. They might still vote Labour, it just won't be because of Corbyn.
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Jan 14, 2017 20:16
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NotJustANumber99 posted:That isn't what that table shows though is it? It doesn't ask how they will vote overall, it just suggests that on that issue they don't place much faith in Corbyn himself. As others have pointed out, they seem positive on wage ratios, improving NHS funding and don't seem to trust May overly. Yeah, this is a good sign and the more time passes the more May will gently caress up and hopefully Jezza will be there to stick the boot in. People won't be voting for a personality cult at the next election, they'll be voting for a political party and what should matter most is policy.
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Jan 14, 2017 20:37
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I'm surprised how popular that salary cap proposal is, wow.
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Jan 14, 2017 20:43
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I'm not. "Footballers earn too much" has been a complaint for decades and there's not many people out there who think their Boss works harder than they do.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:06
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He backtracked on this policy the same day.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:16
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Every poll around the day he said it said it was a poo poo idea. Now he backtracked, which was poo poo of him, it's a good idea. gently caress Corbyn. gently caress the Tories. gently caress the idiot public.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:27
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Pissflaps posted:He backtracked on this policy the same day. This is the pay ratio policy, not the pay cap.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:28
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It's not the ideal implementation but it would certainly be pleasingly spiteful. I would prefer punitively progressive taxtion but a salary cap would be an amusing alternative and I don't think a bad thing.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:29
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jabby posted:This is the pay ratio policy, not the pay cap. Do you have a link that confirms this because the tweet just says 'Pay cap'.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:30
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Wealth taxes and salary caps and the like are often glibly and huffily derided as the "politics of envy". Maybe, though, that is the secret. That rather than constantly trying to appeal to the better nature of a largely spiteful and ignorant public, populism of the left should focus on fomenting resentment against deserving targets instead. There's no shortage of bastards, after all.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:33
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Pissflaps posted:Do you have a link that confirms this because the tweet just says 'Pay cap'. The question was about having the government encourage companies to cap wages at 20x the wage of the lowest paid employee versus companies being free to set wages as they like.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:35
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am i the only one who think this new twitter tone Jezza has taken doesn't work https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/820346077098475520
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LemonDrizzle posted:I posted the table of results for that poll on the previous page; the write-up is here: https://www.ncpolitics.uk/2017/01/new-polls-public-support-wage-cap-but-conservatives-lead-on-nhs.html/ Thank you. 'Encourage' is an odd word.
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Kurtofan posted:am i the only one who think this new twitter tone Jezza has taken doesn't work It's odd coming from him but, well, he's entirely correct.
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Kurtofan posted:am i the only one who think this new twitter tone Jezza has taken doesn't work He tweeted directly to Jeremy Hunt and Theresa May today too. Personally I like the more aggressive tone. If you genuinely believed the Tories are killing people out of pure greed (which they are) then of course you'd be angry about it. It's actually a lot more believable presented that way than trying to accuse them of being callous murdering bastards politely.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:58
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Fans posted:I'm not. "Footballers earn too much" has been a complaint for decades and there's not many people out there who think their Boss works harder than they do. If only because we'd go back to not having a standing army during peacetime and would have a huge disincentive against starting any scraps.
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Jan 14, 2017 22:03
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People are going to read the tweet, nod their head and make agreeing noises, see it's by Corbyn and spit their tea out and start screaming at nothing.
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Jan 14, 2017 22:05
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Regarde Aduck posted:People are going to read the tweet, nod their head and make agreeing noises, see it's by Corbyn and spit their tea out and start screaming at nothing. This will definitely happen. He'll owe them all a new keyboard too.
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Jan 14, 2017 22:07
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*Has voted Labour all their life* *Doesn't like this Corbyn* Jeremy Corbyn has stated he is against shooting babies and kittens into the sun. Do you agree or disagree? Yes [] No [] Don't know [] *Signs and checks don't know*
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Pissflaps posted:This will definitely happen. He'll owe them all a new keyboard too. Yes. Everyone that dislikes Corbyn is perfectly rational. I get it.
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Guavanaut posted:Pay troops same as footballers imo. Enlist all footballers into the army. Maybe then they'll be able to beat Germany.
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Jan 14, 2017 22:09
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Kurtofan posted:am i the only one who think this new twitter tone Jezza has taken doesn't work Why should he assume none of this is rigged? He's polling low. Time to throw shade on it all. TRUMP
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Jan 14, 2017 22:18
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Talking about rigged elections will just let the Tories pass more laws disenfranchising the young and the poor. Sad!
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Jan 14, 2017 22:23
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Jan 14, 2017 22:27
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Regarde Aduck posted:*Has voted Labour all their life* This is why all political polling that goes beyond voting intention is largely pointless. People won't answer honestly, they'll give the answer that reflects who they like/dislike.
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Jan 14, 2017 22:31
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Jose posted:he needs to get shouty like bernie BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON 
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MikeCrotch posted:BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON its true
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MikeCrotch posted:BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON Ah ok, Corbyn shouldn't try, and should be reasonable and amicable to Theresa May, empress of crisis hospital child wards.
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MikeCrotch posted:BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON This is why, if he won't step down, it's important Corbyn has the opportunity to lose the next election hard.
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MikeCrotch posted:BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON
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