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Invisible Handjob
Apr 7, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

pentyne posted:

That's why it was sarcastic.

:trumppop:

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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Warbadger posted:

In keeping with the spirit of loving up the environment, the exclusion zone China wants to bulldoze for solar panels is a thriving refuge for wildlife. Apparently radiation has had little to no effect on the plants/animals while humans keeping the gently caress out because ATOMZ has been incredible.

Actually, there is evidence that the radiation affected the wildlife there, it's just that the mutation rates didn't go up to some absurd number. They just increased somewhat. Additionally, deformed animals are generally less apparent due to them being too deformed to survive or being easy pickings for predators. For what it's worth, one of the reasons humans stay away from radiation is long term health effects. With animals, they may never live long enough for those to become apparent so that also becomes a confounding factor in the apparent health of a radiation affected area.

Meta analysis done in 2015: http://www.nature.com/articles/srep08363
Article by Retuers: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-chernobyl-radiation-idUSTRE52H09020090318

Deadly Ham Sandwich
Aug 19, 2009
Smellrose

Xelkelvos posted:

For what it's worth, one of the reasons humans stay away from radiation is long term health effects. With animals, they may never live long enough for those to become apparent so that also becomes a confounding factor in the apparent health of a radiation affected area.

Would living in the exclusion zone be worse or better than inhaling air at AQI 888?

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TACerrSK1Hk

Invisible Handjob
Apr 7, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

Do you want a gun?

YEAH!!!!!

MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

Would living in the exclusion zone be worse or better than inhaling air at AQI 888?

IIRC the background radiation in the exclusion zone is lower than the inside of Grand Central Station NY. Just don't eat any of the plants.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Dicky mouse posted:

Dont leave me hanging also...whats with the red title?
But don't you get it?

The country is left, unnamed



Also I made the mistake of trying to point out to Americans they were the weirdos and not the rest of the world; it never ends well. Just really irritating that someone straight up tells a Swedish woman she's a pedophile because she had sex as a teen, lol. I'm hoping this is actually a mod or Admin being passive aggressive than a buncha people getting so buttmad they spend 10 bux on this, but who knows? You can check the Idiots on Social media thread and ? my posts to see it for yourself if you want.

Invisible Handjob
Apr 7, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

Deceitful Penguin posted:

But don't you get it?

The country is left, unnamed



Also I made the mistake of trying to point out to Americans they were the weirdos and not the rest of the world; it never ends well. Just really irritating that someone straight up tells a Swedish woman she's a pedophile because she had sex as a teen, lol. I'm hoping this is actually a mod or Admin being passive aggressive than a buncha people getting so buttmad they spend 10 bux on this, but who knows? You can check the Idiots on Social media thread and ? my posts to see it for yourself if you want.

can confirm deceitful penguin is a good poster and not a pedophile please ignore red text

Invisible Handjob
Apr 7, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

Invisible Handjob posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7icXyMC43M

he's got a lot more and they're even funnier

also I don't even care i'm quoting this for the next page because it's still hilarious

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
I think that 'good poster' is definitely subjective but paedo is honestly such a pathetic accusation that I just laughed when I saw it. I also like that 3 posts, one of which was just laughing at a dude for getting loving owned makes me an avid defender of 'paedophilia'.

Invisible Handjob posted:

also I don't even care i'm quoting this for the next page because it's still hilarious
He's a goddamn treasure, it's true


editting because I just saw this lollll

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEOy62YZOpM

Deceitful Penguin fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Jan 15, 2017

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I'm honestly not sure if I had to pick between the exclusion zone and China where I'd pick to live if forced. Ukraine is a poo poo hole, but at least it's close to other countries worth visiting so I'd go with that. Literally rather live in the Chernobyl npp exclusion zone than just about anywhere in China, jesus.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

In Train to Busan, there's a background scene of two college aged men having a tickle fight. When I saw it, I was like "yep, korea"....

Dicky mouse
Apr 11, 2008

"No No Not like that....Thats just silly"

Invisible Handjob posted:

can confirm deceitful penguin is a good poster and not a pedophile please ignore red text

I ll take your word for it, invisible handjob.

after all handjob thats a name you can trust

Invisible Handjob
Apr 7, 2002

by FactsAreUseless

Dicky mouse posted:

I ll take your word for it, invisible handjob.

after all handjob thats a name you can trust

glad you feel that way dicky mouse

I will shake the giant erection of the children's cartoon in your avatar with my invisible hand

we are now friends

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:
As these threads were originally china.jpg, here are some pictures of my hike up into the Shatin Hills. First, a little background history of the place I went.

The territory called Hong Kong actually consists of several distinct places that you may be aware of. Hong Kong Island, for which the territory is named (and technically Hong Kong is the just the name of one small part of the island that was then applied to the whole) in the south, then the Kowloon Peninsula across the harbour, then the sprawling New Territories, then the Shamchun (Shenzhen) River that divides us from China.

Between Kowloon and the New Territories is a mountain range. There are ancient paths through them, and quiet, hidden villages up there even today. Major engineering works conducted by the British to get through them include the railway tunnel for the Kowloon-Canton Railway, and the Tai Po Road from Kowloon to Tai Po, a major settlement in the New Territories. There's also a major engineering work that has been almost forgotten for 75 years: the Gin Drinker's Line.

In the 1930's, with tensions rising between Great Britain and Japan, the British government decided to build a series of fortifications along the mountain range. Based on the Maginot Line in France, a series of observation posts, pillboxes, command centres and tunnels linking them were built through the range. The centre of it was called the Shing Mun Redoubt. Shing Mun literally means "City Gate" but also has the archaic meaning of "Castle Gate". According to local legend, a Ming loyalist turned bandit leader made his hideout in the hills above Kowloon, building a little fort from which he could collect taxes. It appears the Brits were not the first ones to appreciate the defensive advantage gained by controlling the ridge.

Although the structures were built to house thousands of troops, due to British flip-flopping (Hong Kong was "indefensible" according to Churchill, but on the eve of war the decision was made to reinforce Hong Kong after all), when the Japanese invaded the Redoubt was manned only by a few hundred, and it was manned by the Scots Guards. This will be important later. The Japanese expected the Redoubt to check their advance for weeks; it fell in about two days.

As I mentioned before in this thread, I was involved in a Living History event for the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Hong Kong (which we then got attacked for by the pro-Beijing press, lol). An ex-Royal Navy acquaintance of mine saw it and contacted me, asking if I could wear period uniform and join him for a hike. Apparently every year he leads a Scout troop hiking and camping in the mountains, and takes the time to lead new Scouts through the ruins of the Redoubt. Donning my tin hat and shouldering my bagpipes, I joined him.



As we walked up the steps from the reservoir, my buddy pointed this out to me. The concrete in the middle of the forest is the roof of a tunnel.



The hole in the roof is from an artillery shell. After the Japanese captured the ridge, British guns on Hong Kong Island shelled the position so it's hard to tell if the damage was done by the Japanese or the British. If you look closely you can see steps leading up.



Here's a better pic where you can see the steps. It's quite steep so I wouldn't recommend dropping in.



Next to the ruins are these little signs linking to online information. These are quite new, maybe only in the past three years or so due to the increasing interest in local Hong Kong history. Here's the site if you live in HK and would like to check it out yourself: http://hiking.gov.hk/eng/trail_list/other_route/shing_mun_war_relics_trail/introduction.htm



Here's a ventilation shaft for the tunnels. Originally these were covered, but the Japanese found a way to quickly open them and drop grenades down on to the defenders. It's not that deep, either.



As you walk along the trail, you find a tunnel exit, complete with sloped firing step so defenders can remain mostly concealed from view.



Here is a tunnel entrance. Remember how earlier I said this part was manned by the Scots Guards? Well, when the defences were built, they for some reason assumed a London regiment would be manning it, so the tunnel names were given corresponding London street names. So if you're from London and know that turning left will bring you to Shaftesbury Avenue, you'll be able to use the same mental map when running through the tunnels. This of course doesn't work if you're from anywhere else in the UK!

This tunnel has one of the most interesting relics, though it's a bit hard to see in this picture. Perhaps you'd like to enlarge? Go on, see if you can find out what's special about this one.



Carved on the side of the wall are the characters for "Captured by Wakabayashi Company." As thousands of soldiers had done before them, the Japanese celebrated their victory by carving the name of their regiment into the wall of the fort they had captured. Their commander, Wakabayashi Toichi, was only 29 years old, but (if my memory serves) had a reputation as a skilled leader, and convinced his higher-ups to let him scope out the forts. Upon finding that they were undermanned and had easily accessible ventilation shafts, he personally led the surprise night attack. He would die a little over a year later delaying the American advance on Guadalcanal so Japanese forces could withdraw, but his name will endure until this neglected British fort finally crumbles to the elements.



On the way up to the command centre, we saw this distance and direction marker. It would be used to judge the direction of fire.



The entrance to Charing Cross tunnel. There is some debris here.



A view of Tsuen Wan, the "city" in western Kowloon. If you click the link and enlarge you can see the toll booths for the Shing Mun Tunnel entrance.




This is the command centre. The holes in the roof are from artillery shells. Inside were range-finding equipment ruins, and the rooms used for toilets, a room for officers to sleep in, and very steep stairs leading down to a kitchen. Pretty much everything that was not concrete was destroyed, so the beds are gone but the wash basins are still intact.



Next to the entrance to the command centre (on the other side of the previous photo) are these hooks. I noticed them in the tunnels as well. Electricity and telephone cables would have been mounted through these so the commanding officer could direct fire from the various gun emplacements along the ridge. After that it was into the tunnels!

The tunnels are in very good shape considering they haven't been maintained for 75 years. The only real danger is mud subsistence. Rain washes mud into the tunnels, and although there are drainage systems, they haven't been cleaned in 75 years, so in some tunnels a layer of mud accumulates on the floor. Layers of mud then dry and turn rock-hard.



When we exited this tunnel, about half of its height had been taken over by mud so we had to crouch over to get out! I whacked my head quite a few times on the now-low tunnel ceilings and I have never been more grateful to be wearing a tin hat.



A tunnel junction. You can see the Regent Street tunnel steps going up.



Here is a ruined pillbox. It may have received a direct hit from Japanese artillery which ignited the munitions storage, blowing it up, or it could have been demolished after the war when the Government feared that the wartime defences would be used by Communist insurgents during the Riots. Assuming it was the former, we led the Scouts in the Ode of Remembrance ("they shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old ..."), then went back down to the main camp site.

We were only there for an 90 minutes and saw just a small fraction of the ruins that are still accessible. If you're in Hong Kong then I recommend going on a hike for a day to see the whole thing, but if you want to go into the tunnels then make sure you have a light, and don't take unnecessary risks. To my knowledge nobody has gotten lost in the tunnels or suffered injury but unless you have a guide or a map it can get pretty claustrophobic in there.

Imperialist Dog fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Jan 15, 2017

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party
That owns. Thank you for posting.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
holy poo poo thanks for posting that extremely cool post

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*


I enjoyed everyone wearing winter coats because the building has no heat

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

HK history posting is very good.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Somewhere, a wumao had a fit of fury in his basement equivalent and doesn't know why

but we do~

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug
Holy poo poo dude this ooooooooooooowns

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

BONGHITZ posted:

should have been a barber
One of my childhood friends became a barber in a small city (in the USA). I went a few times to get my hair cut by him. He said it was free but I always paid and gave him the same amount in a tip, because he's a bro. He starts work at noon, closes at like 7, and takes Sundays off to go hiking. I asked what he does between customers and he pointed at the TV in there and showed he has a bunch of classic gaming systems in the cabinet, and he plays games and many of his regulars drop in just to play a match and go.

Instead of going to university, he went to barber school and worked a few years with some shops before getting the money to rent his own space and make his own single-barber shop. He's been in business like 8+ years now for himself, no debt (didn't realize that there is actually financial aid for barber/beauty school), and chills at work and talks to people all day. He brings his pets into the shop sometimes and they love getting petted all day. His rent for the shop space is like $500 per month and he pays that off after like 3-4 days of weekday hair cuts. He brings in about $400 cash per day on the Fri/Sat rush, but it's not stressful at all. If he wants, he could close down for a few weeks and go travel a couple times per year and then come back and not worry about paying bills.

Pretty dang jelly about his comfortable life, even if it did mean being situated in a boring city.

Dude, that is awesome. Does HK still have any snakes and stuff like that out there (assuming they didn't all end up in TCM/liquor)? I would be scared to go into stuff like that for that single reason.

Baronjutter posted:

HK history posting is very good.
But but but.... Hong Kong belongs to China, so why China not same?!?!

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party
lmbo check out this year end party at tencent (huge mainland tech company)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-PSlumskmY

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
hm, i would like to work at this company

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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There are poisonous snakes such as Cobras in the less built up areas such as Sai Kung and Lantau, Lamma etc. However there are usually signs posted.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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Oh, for ... I forgot to post the most interesting piece! Well, I'll put it here first then go back and edit.



This tunnel has one of the most interesting relics, though it's a bit hard to see in this picture. Perhaps you'd like to enlarge? Go on, see if you can find out what's special about this one.



Carved on the side of the wall are the characters for "Captured by Wakabayashi Company." As thousands of soldiers had done before them, the Japanese celebrated their victory by carving the name of their regiment into the wall of the fort they had captured. Their commander, Wakabayashi Toichi, was only 29 years old, but (if my memory serves) had a reputation as a skilled leader, and convinced his higher-ups to let him scope out the forts. Upon finding that they were undermanned and had easily accessible ventilation shafts, he personally led the surprise night attack. He would die a little over a year later delaying the American advance on Guadalcanal so Japanese forces could withdraw, but his name will endure until this neglected British fort finally crumbles to the elements.

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Deceitful Penguin posted:

But don't you get it?

The country is left, unnamed



Also I made the mistake of trying to point out to Americans they were the weirdos and not the rest of the world; it never ends well. Just really irritating that someone straight up tells a Swedish woman she's a pedophile because she had sex as a teen, lol. I'm hoping this is actually a mod or Admin being passive aggressive than a buncha people getting so buttmad they spend 10 bux on this, but who knows? You can check the Idiots on Social media thread and ? my posts to see it for yourself if you want.

Wait did you happen to defend zephyrine

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Imperialist Dog posted:

5000 years of awesome posting

I finally caught up with the thread after not following it for a couple of weeks and like sugar at the bottom of a cup, at the end come these excellent posts. Your updates on your military re-enactment posse and the Mainlander reaction (someone post the autistic screeching gif here) have been really interesting stuff, thank you!

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

barbecue at the folks posted:

I finally caught up with the thread after not following it for a couple of weeks and like sugar at the bottom of a cup, at the end come these excellent posts. Your updates on your military re-enactment posse and the Mainlander reaction (someone post the autistic screeching gif here) have been really interesting stuff, thank you!

And so it shall be.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Brilliant post ImpDog

I've been walking along the ridge on the other side of Tsuen Wan. There's nothing so much left that we passed as a single pillbox wall, so it was great to see those photos!

Hit me up, let's go hiking sometime

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Imperialist Dog posted:

There are poisonous snakes such as Cobras in the less built up areas such as Sai Kung and Lantau, Lamma etc. However there are usually signs posted.

Hong Kong is such an amazing place that even the snakes can read.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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Pirate Radar posted:

Hong Kong is such an amazing place that even the snakes can read.

Half of them commit suicide due to the pressure to achieve though

And Fish, if I can get away from the kids, sounds awesome. I can bring you through the safe tunnels.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Imperialist Dog posted:


As I mentioned before in this thread, I was involved in a Living History event for the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Hong Kong (which we then got attacked for by the pro-Beijing press, lol).


Thank you for causing so much hurt feelings

Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

Blistex posted:

Polls in Korea are more than useless since face and group-think cause them to say things that they have no intention of doing or fervently disagree with. You have kids who proclaim that they hate Japan and wish the island to sink into the ocean, but secretly they will confide that they would gladly give up ever seeing their homeland again to go live there. There is a lot of social pressure for Koreans to conform, and they will answer questions with pre-approved answers without even thinking, but if they know they are not being watched, they will tell you the truth.
this is not unique to koreans

remember all the polling before the latest presidential election...heh...........

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

Wait did you happen to defend zephyrine
Maybe? I mostly remember people by their avatars/red texts. Some Swedish lady anyway, though my defense was mostly just "y'all are the loving weirdos" over her being called a paedo

Imperialist Dog posted:

Half of them commit suicide due to the pressure to achieve though

And Fish, if I can get away from the kids, sounds awesome. I can bring you through the safe tunnels.
Do y'all do tours? Because this is legit the sorta thing that certain groups love and brings in a lot of visitors in tourism here and that's just over vikings and poo poo

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0TYCEXmi90

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
really awesome post imperial dog thx for posting it

canoshiz
Nov 6, 2005

THANK GOD FOR THE SMOKE MACHINE!
The younger girl has the palette of a true Texan (brisket, no sauce) :911:

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Do y'all do tours? Because this is legit the sorta thing that certain groups love and brings in a lot of visitors in tourism here and that's just over vikings and poo poo

I think there is one old guy who brings groups on tours but it's not super advertised or supported by the government or the tourism board because they have, ah, different priorities. However, a WW2 Hong Kong tour is a cool idea.

http://www.walkhongkong.com/ww2hongkong/shingmunredoubt.html

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ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Imperialist Dog posted:

I think there is one old guy who brings groups on tours but it's not super advertised or supported by the government or the tourism board because they have, ah, different priorities. However, a WW2 Hong Kong tour is a cool idea.

http://www.walkhongkong.com/ww2hongkong/shingmunredoubt.html

if you're so into this poo poo, you ought to make a video of him giving the tour before he kicks

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