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twistedmentat posted:That promo art looks like it should be on an SNES game cart. Oh Twisted. Twisted, Twisted, Twisted. Of course they loving haven't.
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The fact that they keep doing them speaks the opposite to me, that even though some people are pissy about them they must actually increase interest in titles. They wouldn't do it otherwise. I'm sure they have plenty of data from physical sales and digital sales to backup their strategy. I'm guessing that events are probably also a good seller for trades.
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Googling up sales numbers for each month: Civil War 2 #0: 2nd highest selling comic of May 2016 Civil War 2 #1: Top selling comic of June 2016 Civil War 2 #2: 5th highest selling comic of June 2016 Civil War 2 #3: 4th highest selling comic of July 2016 Civil War 2 #4: 7th highest selling comic of July 2016 Civil War 2 #5: 4th highest selling comic of September 2016 Civil War 2 #6: 7th highest selling comic of October 2016 Civil War 2 #7: 3rd highest selling comic of November 2016 Civil War 2 #8: 6th highest selling comic of December 2016 Source: http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html The only things that outsold Civil War 2 consistently were Batman, new number 1 issues, a comic that got bundled with a loot crate in October, and in December and May: Other event comics (DC Universe Rebirth in May, Justice League vs Suicide Squad and Inhumans vs X-Men in December). So, I think it's pretty safe to say that despite how much hate I saw being directed at Civil War 2, it still sold very well. That doesn't necessarily mean that event comics will always remain profitable, but it's pretty clear that Marvel sees no reason to stop making them anytime soon. I think if DC hadn't come out with Rebirth, then Marvel would have gone on with their usual domination of the market. I've heard of new readers coming in for stuff like Ms. Marvel dropping out because they don't care for stuff like Civil War 2, but looking at the numbers, it's hard to tell if it's because of Civil War 2 specifically, or the usual drop off as a series goes on. Roth fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jan 14, 2017 |
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Very anecdotal accounts from stores (and also from BleedingCool, so...keep that in mind) seems to suggest a lot of dissatisfaction with Marvel, but that unfortunately seems to hurt their regular titles moreso than their events?
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Jan 14, 2017 04:28
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But if you look back at 2006-2007 http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2006/2006-05.html -> http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2007/2007-02.html there wasn't a month where Civil War wasn't #1. 'Course all it looks like it was up against was 52 (not to disparage 52) and Rebirth as a whole is a bit bigger of a thing, but you just can't be happy when your primo thing is two spots behind some standard issue of Green Arrow, or whatever.
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Jan 14, 2017 04:30
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head58 posted:Alan Arkin cast as Blackagar Boltagon in next Avengers movie CONFIRMED! Too bad Peter Falk is dead as he could play Maximus
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Jan 14, 2017 04:33
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We hate most Marvel at our store. And the only "good" Marvel books sell like poo poo for us.
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Jan 14, 2017 04:35
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Teenage Fansub posted:But if you look back at 2006-2007 http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2006/2006-05.html -> http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2007/2007-02.html there wasn't a month where Civil War wasn't #1. Sure, but ten years later, and still in the Top 10 every month is still good enough to keep at it. I'm not saying it's a smart idea for Marvel to keep doing this. They've gone overboard with plenty of ideas to sell comics, gain short-term profits, and then have that bite them in the rear end plenty of times, so I'm expecting it to happen to event comics eventually. But I have doubts that it'll be because of any of the events this year.
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Jan 14, 2017 04:38
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Now, who's looking forward to Monsters Unleashed this week?! Cullen Bunn isn't the most exciting prospect, but you'd have to try pretty hard to not make rampaging monsters fun, so I'll be there!
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Onmi posted:Oh Twisted. Twisted, Twisted, Twisted. Marvel is joining Apple and Nintendo in going "We don't care what you want, you're gonna accept what we give you". I feel like Marvel needs some serious shakeup in the upper levels of editorial. Or is this direction more from the business end?
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Jan 14, 2017 04:51
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If I recall correctly the only 'event' that demonstrably hurt sales of books involved was Amazons Attack.
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Jan 14, 2017 04:54
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twistedmentat posted:Marvel is joining Apple and Nintendo in going "We don't care what you want, you're gonna accept what we give you". Apple at least has proven they can get away with it. Nintendo and Marvel... not so much.
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Pureauthor posted:Nintendo... not so much. What do you want me to do? NOT visit New Donk City? That's not living.
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Jan 14, 2017 05:05
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I think this might be a case of people being in a bubble where folks don't generally like events. Events are never that popular around here and I think you're mistaking that for being what everyone thinks. Like when people were talking about how much everyone hated Superior Spider-Man when the vast majority of people not on this forum actually really liked that story.
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I'd say CW2 was pretty popularly not popular http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/marvel-comics/civil-war-ii It would've gone down fine on this forum if it was good at all. Plenty here are admittedly enjoying IVX even after getting sick of the Inhumans and downright hating Death of X.
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I could have sworn that sales data showed events were tending in decreased sales. Or is just Rebirth such a juggernaught that it's knocked Marvel down to where a success last year looks like failure this year.
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Rhyno posted:We hate most Marvel at our store. And the only "good" Marvel books sell like poo poo for us. I mean most of the places I frequent pass around collage screen caps of how much Marvel's overshipping books or the good old traditional GLA/Mosaic Offer of "But this, get this free, because we can't sell this and we are desperate to get this off our shelves." It's why I typically ask if you've been overshipped stuff, because I trust you to tell the truth. twistedmentat posted:Marvel is joining Apple and Nintendo in going "We don't care what you want, you're gonna accept what we give you". Here's what Marvel needs to do. Get the writers and editors off loving twitter. They'd probably be far more productive if Alex Alonso would do his job loving as Editor-In-Chief and actually make sure poo poo is consistent. And we probably wouldn't have had Civil War II delays if Bendis could shut his mouth. And god, lets not even get into how much more productive things would be if Dan Slott wasn't constantly searching his own name. Nick Spencer could maybe focus on writing a compelling book than trying to poo poo on DC in a desperate attempt to make people give a gently caress about what he's writing. Failing that, fire them! Bring in some new blood, people who can do their jobs and write stories that are consistent with one another. Like anyone trying to say Civil War II was a good thing. Fun story, turns out during that event, Kamala's book sales have been down. It was such poison that it hurt her book. Do you know I actually wanted to look back and see how old comics used to do, and during the 90's I don't think there was a month that X-Men wasn't the top book? Like it wasn't even close. gently caress em, I say. Brand loyalty is the worst thing you can hold. Read a book if it's good, don't if it's poo poo. twistedmentat posted:I could have sworn that sales data showed events were tending in decreased sales. Or is just Rebirth such a juggernaught that it's knocked Marvel down to where a success last year looks like failure this year. Oh. No. Civil War II absolutely did bad for an Event. Mind you, still it's for "an event" which do good buys even if they're poo poo. But it's absolutely not the numbers they would have wanted.
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Teenage Fansub posted:What do you want me to do? NOT visit New Donk City? That's not living. Take me down to New Donk City Where Yoshi's green And the Toads are pretty Oh, won't you please take me home?
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Jan 14, 2017 05:52
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Guys, guys, the latest issue of Mighty Thor was really good.
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Jan 14, 2017 06:27
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It both irritates and comforts me to know that the Shi'ar will always, without fail, be the top tier fuckmongers of the universe.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Guys, guys, the latest issue of Mighty Thor was really good. I'm really excited for this because Asgard and Space Bird Jerks are not groups that pull their punches, shits gonna get deadly. Though if Angela had been in Asgard, there would have been a lot more feathered heads around.
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twistedmentat posted:I could have sworn that sales data showed events were tending in decreased sales. Or is just Rebirth such a juggernaught that it's knocked Marvel down to where a success last year looks like failure this year. I vaguely recall seeing that Marvel is bundling in 'bonus' copies of comics to some retailers to bump their numbers? I can't prove it isn't just gossip without going on a Twitter binge, and that's just not in my best interest.
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Clawtopsy posted:I vaguely recall seeing that Marvel is bundling in 'bonus' copies of comics to some retailers to bump their numbers? I can't prove it isn't just gossip without going on a Twitter binge, and that's just not in my best interest. This is true but it's as few as one extra copy in most cases. Like we got 11 different free comics last week, mostly one of each book.
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twistedmentat posted:I could have sworn that sales data showed events were tending in decreased sales. Or is just Rebirth such a juggernaught that it's knocked Marvel down to where a success last year looks like failure this year. Event books seem to be succeeding less than they used to, if I recall correctly - but they're still reliably succeeding, which isn't something most anything else being done by comics companies can say. Like, for every wildly successful new book that Marvel puts out, there are half a dozen that fail. Even if they're really good books, like - to pick a couple that I loved that sold miserably - Mockingbird or The Order. Meanwhile, even if the event books aren't blowing up like they did ten years ago, they're still consistently and reliably selling. Why on Earth would Marvel say "let's stop doing the one thing that works for us on a regular basis so we can focus more effort on the things that only work twenty percent of the time on a good day"? Wouldn't that be kinda the stupidest loving business decision that they could make, one that would almost certainly see their Disney corporate overlords come in and say "yeah letting you guys do your own thing was nice and all but gently caress that noise, we're going to be giving you your marching orders now, nothing gets out the door without six months of focus testing and market research"? I mean, I get frustrated with event comics as much as the next guy, but the company does still exist to make money, y'know? (E: upon rereading this comes off as a little snippy, I now realize; I'm not trying to snipe at you, twistedmentat, it's just that the whole environment around comics these days frustrates me)
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twistedmentat posted:I'm really excited for this because Asgard and Space Bird Jerks are not groups that pull their punches, shits gonna get deadly. Though if Angela had been in Asgard, there would have been a lot more feathered heads around. Angela vs Warbird would be great. It was nice to see Kid Gladiator, and you can imagine Gladiator was at full power because he was on a mission from his gods. His righteous confidence probably makes him nearly unstoppable.
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A fairly cursory Google search turned up this. I do remember one of the store guys I follow tweeting about huge amounts of oversupply, I'll track it down later if it's okay to rekindle this conversation? Just a bit busy typing up other junk to turn into a Twitter Archaeologist right now.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Event books seem to be succeeding less than they used to, if I recall correctly - but they're still reliably succeeding, which isn't something most anything else being done by comics companies can say. Buddy. Go read the Death of WCW.
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Clawtopsy posted:A fairly cursory Google search turned up this. I do remember one of the store guys I follow tweeting about huge amounts of oversupply, I'll track it down later if it's okay to rekindle this conversation? Just a bit busy typing up other junk to turn into a Twitter Archaeologist right now. The overship is based on your initial order on previous issues. So for Mosiac #1 we got one free copy because we knew it would underperform and we only ordered ten copies. The more you order initially, the more free copies Marvel decides to send your way. The exception is certain #1s. For Hawkeye, Hulk and Rocket Racoon they did a 100% overship. So that's about 100 extra comics my shop didn't need as we ordered perfectly on those series.
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And those are all counted on Diamond sales charts, right? So those things are starting to get meaningless.
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I've considered most sales data from any company mostly useless since digital has become so big now. I mean I've never bought a single physical issue of a Valiant comic but I have everything they've published in my Comixology account. And more and more people are doing the same. I mean it's still a decent comparative barometer for some stuff but other stuff surely gets shortchanged looking only at physical copies. And that's not even considering stuff like Injustice or Marvel's Infinite comics that release digitally weeks and months before they ever have a physical print.
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I really like AN Wolverine, but please, can we move behind the old trigger scent chestnut? We already did years ago anyway, and while it's not exactly a rehash of the old stuff, I'm sure there are more stories to tell with Laura.
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Decius posted:I really like AN Wolverine, but please, can we move behind the old trigger scent chestnut? We already did years ago anyway, and while it's not exactly a rehash of the old stuff, I'm sure there are more stories to tell with Laura. Fingers crossed this story puts it to bed. This is the first time we've seen it in this run, though.
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Decius posted:I really like AN Wolverine, but please, can we move behind the old trigger scent chestnut? We already did years ago anyway, and while it's not exactly a rehash of the old stuff, I'm sure there are more stories to tell with Laura. Fully completely agree, however, the scene of her "coffin" being dropped from the helicopter was so cool I said "this is how they need to cold-open the Laura movie". Which I've said like ten times already this series but the point stands. Hopefully this arc ends with her developing an immunity or something. I got the first volume of the collected X-23 (for X-Mas, [get it? haha]) and I like that it has little sorta-recap pages when the story jumps over something that isn't collected. I just wish the NYX one said "You're fuckin' better off not knowing, I promise".
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That Cassaday art is terrible. Did he have a stroke or something or is he just pulling a Howard Chaykin and putting out lovely, lazy work because he'll still get jobs off the strength of his old work?
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Jan 14, 2017 18:04
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Lazy. That story he did for Captain America's anniversary during Pleasent Hill was on point.
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I like Hickman events. Please to be giving me more and let him team up with Christopher Nolan for ultimate gestalt head up assery while directed by Tarsem Singh for the whole Avengers/New Avengers/Infinity and a Secret Wars 7 movie series. TIA.
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Jan 15, 2017 00:10
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Hell lets just get Hickman to co-write an event comic with Ewing
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Jan 15, 2017 00:16
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There's been a few rumors that Hickman is on the outs with Marvel right now.
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site posted:That is unfortunate news Well he turned down the X-Men project and what started as a joke about going to DC seems to be inching closer to reality.
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