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Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

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keykey posted:

That is pretty awesome, but in a bittersweet sort of way. I'm about to get 65k more in debt thanks to student loans. The first time I went to school I should have just completed my poo poo then since It was affordable, but noooo I had to take 15 years off instead of just paying my way through initially with a 40 hour a week job, and a masters that would have been close to 8k over 2 years. I now get to take out a 65k loan for just an 18 month program for a masters. The ROI should be worth it though, hopefully.. :homebrew: :suicide:

I hear you. Would have cost me ~30 grand back when I started school, looking at going back now galls me.

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Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



InitialDave posted:

Whatever fits best?

Ok, I'll probably grab a 2x4 and chop it up, I just wanted to make sure that would be safe. I've used 1x4 in the past but it felt really sketchy.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?
Went to the Roar @ Daytona last weekend, took some pics and got temporarily trapped up on the grandstand:









Imgur gallery here

One day I will learn to focus on the front of the car while panning. I'm back there for the Rolex 24 but depending on how it goes I may not be in any fit state to take photos :tootzzz:

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012


Darchangel posted:

That's impressive with 1200 grit. Sounds like he heard about color sanding and/or buffing, and didn't really understand. Also, he's a fuckwit.

Yes, yes he is. He also came back in and was rather unnerved by the fact that our manager suddenly appeared from around the corner while he was looking for more stuff to steal. :v:

Tomarse
Mar 7, 2001

Grr



Went to see Meshuggah tonight.

I've been to a lot of gigs and there is nothing quite like the Meshuggah experience. It's amazing.

The Royal Nonesuch
Nov 1, 2005

Pham Nuwen posted:

What wood should I buy to go between jackstands and my vehicle? The frame rails under the Datsun are kind of bent and don't sit well on top of the jackstands. Do I want 2x4? 4x4?

I use 1/2" plywood scrap to "mate" my HF jack to my BMW's jackpoints without loving anything up since they don't really mesh otherwise. For various jack/stand/height adjustment on my Jeep I typically use a carefully picked selection of whatever I spot first.

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

I love chocolate.

My pancreas, however, does not appreciate the sugar associated with chocolate. And gently caress "sugar free chocolate". That poo poo isn't chocolate. It's worse than Hershey's.

I finally figured if you can't beat em, join em. The only people who can get hours at Amazon are the ones running macros on their phones that try to grab hours for them constantly. Worked more hours in the past week than I have in the past month combined.

I don't feel bad about it. It's a badly kept secret that almost everyone at my warehouse cheats in some way.

kastein posted:

did your siblings troll you as a kid? I have some gift suggestions, ranging from fun to monstrous to outright war
- legos, preferably mostly small pointy ones
- battery powered toys that make noise
- battery powered toys that make noise, with ultra long life batteries secreted inside so even if the batteries in the sockets mysteriously keep disappearing, the toy keeps making noise
- battery powered toys that make noise, with ultra long life batteries secreted inside and more in the normal sockets... super glued in
- kid energy powered toys that make noise
- kid energy powered musical instruments, to include: accordions, banjos, violins (a violin in the wrong hands is a psychological weapon), drums, bagpipes, harmonicas
- if all else fails, a recorder

My brother and sister are so lucky they don't want kids.

Suddenly I realize why my aunts and uncles (and grandfather) always gave me really neat loud poo poo as a kid. :haw:

CharlesM posted:

[*]The cigarette lighter socket never turns off so you have to unplug the GPS, etc. every time. This might be OK if you could have it be optional / turn off when you open the door like the radio does
[/list]

Somehow, my car not only has two power sockets (unusual enough in a compact coupe)... but one of them stays on constantly, while the other shuts off with the ignition.

Unfortunately, the one that shuts off is in the back seat... nice long trip for the dashcam power cord, but I can see why they chose the back one to turn on/off. The front one keeps my cell phone charger, which doesn't seem to do any appreciable drain overnight.

Though for all I know the "constantly live" socket may turn off with everything else - if you leave the doors open, trunk open, or interior lights on, they turn off 15 minutes after the car is shut off.

Noise Complaint posted:

This plus the car's need to beep the horn if you use the lock button on the dash always drives me nuts in my Focus. I have no idea how I'd get into the car if I locked my keys in.

The rental Jeep I had last year not only honked the horn anytime you used the keyfob to lock it, but it also turned on the headlights if you unlocked it with the fob - and kept them on until you got in. Not quite as bad as GM's "let's turn on EVERY EXTERIOR LIGHT INCLUDING THE HIGH BEAMS WHEN YOU UNLOCK THE CAR" approach on their newer vehicles, but at least GMs don't honk the horn unless you double press the lock button. Mine just flashes the turn signals for any keyfob press, it'll honk if I press lock twice instead of once (I assume just for an audible confirmation, the alarm is turned on either way), and the automatic headlights only stay on for ~30 seconds after I shut off the car (if I don't shut them off as I pull into my parking space - which I do if it's after about 9pm).

My parking space faces my bottom floor neighbor's bedroom window. :cripes:

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

Adiabatic posted:

Its actually super goddamn serious if you get it in writing.

https://cyber.harvard.edu/trusting/unit5all.html

Just remember, no matter how goddamn serious it is, it is only as serious as your ability to take them to court to enforce it.

Contract law is ever in the favor of the man with the best lawyer and deepest pockets.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?

Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:

The rental Jeep I had last year not only honked the horn anytime you used the keyfob to lock it, but it also turned on the headlights if you unlocked it with the fob - and kept them on until you got in. Not quite as bad as GM's "let's turn on EVERY EXTERIOR LIGHT INCLUDING THE HIGH BEAMS WHEN YOU UNLOCK THE CAR" approach on their newer vehicles, but at least GMs don't honk the horn unless you double press the lock button. Mine just flashes the turn signals for any keyfob press, it'll honk if I press lock twice instead of once (I assume just for an audible confirmation, the alarm is turned on either way), and the automatic headlights only stay on for ~30 seconds after I shut off the car (if I don't shut them off as I pull into my parking space - which I do if it's after about 9pm).

My parking space faces my bottom floor neighbor's bedroom window. :cripes:

Speaking of cars being obnoxious, work have graciously given me a Toyota Matrix to drive while I'm in the US. The stupid thing beeps about everything, on Tuesday morning it was a bit icy and I got into the traction control so hard it started beeping at me for that. The only thing it doesn't beep promptly for is leaving the headlights on, that beeper is on like a 5 second delay after you open the door for some reason.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
I am slowly but surely converting my drill press into a CNC. Upgrading the bearings to handle lateral loading and increasing the tolerances on the quill/spindle, and adding a worktable. Next step is throw some stepper motors and a RAMPs board on it and start teaching it how to do work.

sirnollem
Apr 12, 2008

Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:

Not quite as bad as GM's "let's turn on EVERY EXTERIOR LIGHT INCLUDING THE HIGH BEAMS WHEN YOU UNLOCK THE CAR"


I can't stand GM for lighting up the reverse lights when you unlock them. Makes parking lots super fun.

briefcasefullof
Sep 25, 2004
[This Space for Rent]
I love having always on cig sockets. Makes it easy to leave a phone in to charge for a while or whatever. Didn't realize how much I liked them until we got a car that doesn't have them.

RillAkBea
Oct 11, 2008


I like this picture a lot, it almost looks like the Mini has a panicked expression on its face as its being chased by a predator.

West SAAB Story
Mar 13, 2014

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 218 days!)

I just made it home, and keykey gave me an awesome stash of SAABness. Where the hell is the thread to post it? I've not showered, washed clothing, or even dealt with the fact I spent the last month cleaning up a dead person's house..

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


funny Star Wars parody posted:

Also Sync3 sucks and I told my boss that it is grand scale larceny that we sell customers tech from 2013 at $2000 and if they want a higher conversion rate they should just make it standard to get those sweet sweet millennial dollars

He wasn't too happy with my millennial opinion

They may not want to hear it, but they need to hear it. Especially if they want to make cars interesting for a group of people who don;t find cars interesting.


funny Star Wars parody posted:

The NAIAS is real good




I know I must be weird, but I'm actually excited about the Kia Stinger, It looks good:




http://www.kia.com/us/en/content/vehicles/upcoming-vehicles/2018-stinger
http://www.businessinsider.com/kia-stinger-scare-bmw-and-audi-2017-1

255 HP 2.0 turbo, or 365 HP twin-turbo V6
RWD or AWD, Limited slip on the RWD, torque vectoring on AWD.
Brembo brakes.
No stick, though. 8-speed auto, at least.

It's designed and engineered by Germans (literally, see the Business Insider article.)

No word on pricing, but I like it.


Cage posted:

I got my dad a bottle of their red stag for christmas and we finally opened it the other day. Not an every day sort of mixer being so sweet, but it was really good for a change.

I like Red Stag, but I like sweet fruity stuff. It is definitely a liquor with whiskey rather than a flavored whiskey like their honey or cinnamon products.


Tide posted:

I hate you for this.

Because simply reading it caused me to gain a couple pounds.

QFT.


Pham Nuwen posted:

What wood should I buy to go between jackstands and my vehicle? The frame rails under the Datsun are kind of bent and don't sit well on top of the jackstands. Do I want 2x4? 4x4?

I feel like a chunk of wood between the car and jack stand just invites the thing to slip more easily. I just try to find a spot where the jack stand fits best. On unibody cars, that's usually where there is an overlap at the front and rear of the horizontal "frame rail" where the sections that the subframes bolt to is welded in. Check your manual for the jacking/jack stand points for your car. I learned that Ford doesn't want me jacking the Crown Vic up by the center of the rear diff, for example. Unlike every other car with a live axle, ever.
For my RX-7s and my wife's Kia, I generally put the jack stands under the suspension attachment points, or the subframe attachment points. I also just bought a polyurethane pinch-weld jack pad to jack my unibody cars up at the proper jack point without screwing up the pinch weld.

Cop Porn Popper posted:

Yes, yes he is. He also came back in and was rather unnerved by the fact that our manager suddenly appeared from around the corner while he was looking for more stuff to steal. :v:

If I were the manager, I wouldn't even pretend to be doing something on the aisle. I would just stand there watching the guy until he left. Time to fire that "customer."

Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:

I love chocolate.

My pancreas, however, does not appreciate the sugar associated with chocolate. And gently caress "sugar free chocolate". That poo poo isn't chocolate. It's worse than Hershey's.

I finally figured if you can't beat em, join em. The only people who can get hours at Amazon are the ones running macros on their phones that try to grab hours for them constantly. Worked more hours in the past week than I have in the past month combined.

I don't feel bad about it. It's a badly kept secret that almost everyone at my warehouse cheats in some way.

Amazon created the system. If "cheating" is the only way to make it work, then it's a broken system.

quote:

Somehow, my car not only has two power sockets (unusual enough in a compact coupe)... but one of them stays on constantly, while the other shuts off with the ignition.

Unfortunately, the one that shuts off is in the back seat... nice long trip for the dashcam power cord, but I can see why they chose the back one to turn on/off. The front one keeps my cell phone charger, which doesn't seem to do any appreciable drain overnight.

Though for all I know the "constantly live" socket may turn off with everything else - if you leave the doors open, trunk open, or interior lights on, they turn off 15 minutes after the car is shut off.

One of my friend's cars had a socket that could be switched from ignition to battery with some combination of key and dash switches (before touchscreen everything.) Kinda nice. I rewired one of the one's in my wife's Kia to be switched, but left the one inside the center console battery for charging. Or I rewired the one in the console to be battery. I forget. My Crown Vic has one of each - the power point is switched, the actual cigarette lighter is battery. One of each, or selectable seems the best choice to me.

quote:

The rental Jeep I had last year not only honked the horn anytime you used the keyfob to lock it, but it also turned on the headlights if you unlocked it with the fob - and kept them on until you got in. Not quite as bad as GM's "let's turn on EVERY EXTERIOR LIGHT INCLUDING THE HIGH BEAMS WHEN YOU UNLOCK THE CAR" approach on their newer vehicles, but at least GMs don't honk the horn unless you double press the lock button. Mine just flashes the turn signals for any keyfob press, it'll honk if I press lock twice instead of once (I assume just for an audible confirmation, the alarm is turned on either way), and the automatic headlights only stay on for ~30 seconds after I shut off the car (if I don't shut them off as I pull into my parking space - which I do if it's after about 9pm).

My parking space faces my bottom floor neighbor's bedroom window. :cripes:

AND THE REVERSE LIGHTS - to confuse everyone in the parking lot. Assholes.

sirnollem posted:

I can't stand GM for lighting up the reverse lights when you unlock them. Makes parking lots super fun.

SEE?! SEE!?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
The rear of the Stinger looks terrible.

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Darchangel posted:

They may not want to hear it, but they need to hear it. Especially if they want to make cars interesting for a group of people who don;t find cars interesting.

Uninteresting is the most generous way that you can describe it, I'd say "loathe" is the most accurate across my generation. The only person in my age group that I currently interact with who likes cars is my brother. I also used to have 2 coworkers who did illegal street races, but only that's a total of 3 people from the few hundred that I know in real life who have a real interest in cars.

And none of them have any interest in buying a new car as anything other than a commuting vehicle

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Yeah I'm pretty sure millenials would be into cars just fine if they could actually afford them like one used to be able to. The days of working a summer job to buy your Camaro SS with cash are long gone, and I think that's the biggest factor, rather than any actual shift in values.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Rhyno posted:

Yes but in this case I want a ton of poo poo off it so part out isn't the main goal.

At the very least the shippable parts like the headlights, taillights and exhaust surrounds are in high demand and will net me a couple hundred going by current prices in the FB groups.

Does it have the tow hook cover? :v:

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

CharlesM posted:

Does it have the tow hook cover? :v:

DICK.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Enourmo posted:

Yeah I'm pretty sure millenials would be into cars just fine if they could actually afford them like one used to be able to. The days of working a summer job to buy your Camaro SS with cash are long gone, and I think that's the biggest factor, rather than any actual shift in values.

I'm into cars, and have owned 58. I just don't like payments or new poo poo.

Its way cooler to rebuild a junkyard heap and keep it going, than to blow my wad on some shiny new thing that some poor drunk gently caress assembled on third shift.


but generally no. Millenials do not care about cars. and tbh, I'm getting there myself. People ruined it for me. Plus bieks are awesomer.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Dragonball Z is weird as poo poo. Like, you become a great fighter and suddenly you can loving fly? How does that work?

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



Enourmo posted:

Yeah I'm pretty sure millenials would be into cars just fine if they could actually afford them like one used to be able to. The days of working a summer job to buy your Camaro SS with cash are long gone, and I think that's the biggest factor, rather than any actual shift in values.

I didn't have the heart to try to explain this to a boomer if he didn't understand why 5 year old tech isn't going to reel them in

Fermented Tinal
Aug 25, 2005

by Pragmatica
It's cartoons.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


cursedshitbox posted:

I'm into cars, and have owned 58. I just don't like payments or new poo poo.

Its way cooler to rebuild a junkyard heap and keep it going, than to blow my wad on some shiny new thing that some poor drunk gently caress assembled on third shift.


but generally no. Millenials do not care about cars. and tbh, I'm getting there myself. People ruined it for me. Plus bieks are awesomer.

Yeah, it's painful to see people here talk about their new expensive lemons.

At least when you buy trash and the duct tape gets it another 10,000kms, it's a triumph when it all blows up, not a tragedy.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Rhyno posted:

Dragonball Z is weird as poo poo. Like, you become a great fighter and suddenly you can loving fly? How does that work?

And, like, Superman, right? How the hell does he move a planet in space when he has nothing to push against?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Enourmo posted:

And, like, Superman, right? How the hell does he move a planet in space when he has nothing to push against?

He's SUPERman. That poo poo makes sense. How the hell does good at fighting lead to flying the gently caress around?

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

cursedshitbox posted:

I'm into cars, and have owned 58. I just don't like payments or new poo poo.

Its way cooler to rebuild a junkyard heap and keep it going, than to blow my wad on some shiny new thing that some poor drunk gently caress assembled on third shift.


but generally no. Millenials do not care about cars. and tbh, I'm getting there myself. People ruined it for me. Plus bieks are awesomer.

This is probably a topic that's been beaten to death in Cycle Asylum but I'm still too afraid of being wiped out by a left turner, etc. to ride a bike. :[ I have had my Mazda 3 for 11 years since I bought brand new and still love it. So, new cars aren't all bad, in my opinion. :P

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Rhyno posted:

He's SUPERman. That poo poo makes sense. How the hell does good at fighting lead to flying the gently caress around?

alright trap sprung

the idea is that to get good at fighting, you gotta have good control over your ki (the "power" they call it in English). Charge your ki and launch it out of your fist? that's a kamehameha.

If your control gets good enough, you can essentially shoot ki out of your feet, turning you into basically a spirit-powered rocket.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

Powershift posted:

Yeah, it's painful to see people here talk about their new expensive lemons.

At least when you buy trash and the duct tape gets it another 10,000kms, it's a triumph when it all blows up, not a tragedy.

You get it. AI was this back in the day. not so much anymore.


CharlesM posted:

This is probably a topic that's been beaten to death in Cycle Asylum but I'm still too afraid of being wiped out by a left turner, etc. to ride a bike. :[ I have had my Mazda 3 for 11 years since I bought brand new and still love it. So, new cars aren't all bad, in my opinion. :P


I'd rather die happy on the moto, than miserable in bed or that god damned truck. i'll have to play chicken with a train for that


E: VVVV: Lol yes. Shine on you crazy fucker. :D

cursedshitbox fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Jan 15, 2017

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

cursedshitbox posted:

You get it. AI was this back in the day. not so much anymore.



Have you seen the WRX I'm trying to fix....?

The Door Frame
Dec 5, 2011

I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

Enourmo posted:

Yeah I'm pretty sure millenials would be into cars just fine if they could actually afford them like one used to be able to. The days of working a summer job to buy your Camaro SS with cash are long gone, and I think that's the biggest factor, rather than any actual shift in values.

Yeah, when a car is little more than a $350 a month payment that takes you to work and limits where you can live, I can see ownership looking lovely compared to $75 a week for rideshare

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Enourmo posted:

Yeah I'm pretty sure millenials would be into cars just fine if they could actually afford them like one used to be able to. The days of working a summer job to buy your Camaro SS with cash are long gone, and I think that's the biggest factor, rather than any actual shift in values.

The majority of people I know around the same age as me, just don't give a poo poo about cars. They either don't need one, because they live in a city with awesome public transport, or it's just an unavoidable annoyance to them. They have a ton of other things they would rather spend their time and money on.

I know some people who are into cars, but it's a lot less common than with previous generations.

I mostly continue driving my car simply because I love driving. It doesn't really make much logical sense, except it's very practical when I need to buy something I can't get from a shop that's nearby. But I could easily downsize to a 1.0L tiny commuter-hatch and still have that benefit, for a significant reduction in recurring costs. I hang to my large car with its old-fashioned larger than average (around here) engine, cushy suspension, leather seats, low gas mileage and typical 16 year old car issues and repair costs, because it makes me feel good to drive it.

My GF dreams about owning an Audi R8. Then again, she's from southern Germany, so that may explain it.

KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jan 15, 2017

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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cursedshitbox posted:

I'd rather die happy on the moto, than miserable in bed or that god damned truck. i'll have to play chicken with a train for that


E: VVVV: Lol yes. Shine on you crazy fucker. :D

I'd rather not die at all which is why I bought a car with 8 airbags :P

But yeah I miss my old cars but I don't have a place to store a fleet of old Volvos, Mazdas, and Subarus. Hopefully I can change that this year.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


cakesmith handyman posted:

You misspelled whiskey

:v: I'm drinking Jim Beam white label (is that better than the regular stuff I don't know?) and my wife comes back from the kitchen with reheated pizza from yesterday and I got the munch so I made a fajita with pizza ingredients and it's the best thing ever guys you got to try it..

Isn't that just regular Jim Beam? :confused:

It's OK, nothing special. Better than Jack Daniel's, in any case.

At that price level, I prefer Bulleit.

freelop
Apr 28, 2013

Where we're going, we won't need fries to see



CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

KozmoNaut posted:


I know some people who are into cars, but it's a lot less common than with previous generations.

Previous generations also had to have their heads under the bonnent a lot. Cars are just appliances in the main now for the majority of drivers and there's a generation growing up who didnt spend time with their father (usually) while the car was being maintained.

Plus...... well even since I've had a license, being silly on the road kinda is a lot harder to get away with. 30 years ago if I was caught 45 over, I wouldnt be thrown into the back of a police car and my license suspended ont he spot, I could pull a burnout without my car being confiscated for 3 months at best, back roads were much more clear of traffic with less lane markings disallowing overtaking and being a hoon wasnt seen as being extremely antisocial.

Hell, the cops would would be more likely to engage you in a street race and give you a thumbs up if you had a obviously worked off its nut car. Dont dare mod your car now, you'll break half a dozen laws doing it.

And then we get to racing. Oh boooooy that's changed too. It's much more expensive and the safety requirements are often much higher - as an example I was rallying without a cage - and also without a helmet. Completely legal. The next rally car will start with 5 grand worth of cage because that's the minimum allowed, let alone the other mandatory equipment that drives the prices waaaay up.

Then we also have the point that competeing interests were either non existant or much less. These days kids have a lot more things to do for cheaper, let alone they dont have to leave the computer to do it.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Not so many years ago, a car = freedom.

It was your ticket to doing your own things, not having to bum rides from other people. It let you go and meet other people on your own terms.

It may just be because I moved to a bigger city with good public transport, but there are so many other options now. Either you can socialize over the internet like a goon, or you could just take the bus. Outside of the cities, you have ridesharing, carsharing all of that stuff that simply didn't exist before. Rental cars used to be rented by the day, and you had to return them to a certain destination. With modern car sharing, you just leave the car in any legal parking spot, for the next person to use.

I still like driving my car, but I can certainly feel that it's taking up less and less of my total "interest space".

Fermented Tinal
Aug 25, 2005

by Pragmatica
I still think nothing says freedom like a full fuel tank.

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Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

And then we get to racing. Oh boooooy that's changed too. It's much more expensive and the safety requirements are often much higher - as an example I was rallying without a cage - and also without a helmet. Completely legal. The next rally car will start with 5 grand worth of cage because that's the minimum allowed, let alone the other mandatory equipment that drives the prices waaaay up.

It sucks but I'm actually okay with that after being at a track event where someone died due to a basal skull fracture. This was before HANS type devices were mandatory. Only thing is Lemons and other beater series aren't actually beater priced. But you can still do HPDE type events with a helmet.

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