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 Neil Marshall? Sounds like our local cowboy has a personal stake in this SL-9 drama. Also: Mors Rattus posted:
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: Take it from me, you don't want anyhting to do with serial murders.
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Phoenix calls on witnesses a bit more than I recalled.
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I kinda wish we knew more about the trial rules so I could get a better grasp of how well/how poorly Wright actually practices law.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:I kinda wish we knew more about the trial rules so I could get a better grasp of how well/how poorly Wright actually practices law. Essentially prosecutors can do almost anything up to and including fabricating evidence and suborning perjury from witnesses and introducing false theories in order to get convictions. Defense attorneys essentially have no chance unless they can get the person who did it on the stand, get them to admit it, and prove it via evidence that has already been introduced in the court record. It's not enough to just show that someone else could have done it (ie reasonable doubt), you have to actually prove someone else did it AND get the prosecution and judge to agree with it. It really is up to the judge how much lattitude the prosecution gets (usually as much as they want) and how little the defense get (not much, barely any (later games/cases will show this)). Dariusknight fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Jan 13, 2017 20:01
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Dariusknight posted:It's not enough to just show that someone else could have done it The games kinda play back and forth with this. Phoenix ultimately does get the culprit in the end, but I seem to recall some early installment weirdness where it seems like his client is about to get off, only for the prosecution to be like "Aha, but this." See: The end of 1-2 trial where he pretty conclusively proves the guy was in the office, killed Mia, knew things he shouldn't have, etc. while they had no solid evidence on Phoenix at all aside from this exceptionally suspicious guy's testimony.
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Well, the Mia case is one of the few where that is actually perfectly reasonable, given who they are trying to finger.
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Jan 14, 2017 00:41
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But Miles is also a reasonable suspect. Why is the corpse in his car's trunk? And the sole witness to the murder has already admitted to perjury and has a huge grudge against the prosecutors office.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:But Miles is also a reasonable suspect. Why is the corpse in his car's trunk? And the sole witness to the murder has already admitted to perjury and has a huge grudge against the prosecutors office. Conflict of interest? Pfft!
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Jan 14, 2017 19:05
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Basically it seems that "what the prosecution says, goes" is de facto, but there do seem to be de jure rules as well. They're just far less clear than the fact that the prosecutor's office runs the show in Japanifornia.
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Defense attorney: "I want to call a witness who can prove my client is not guilty." Judge: "What does the prosecution think?" Prosecutor: "We'll allow it." Phoenix is lucky Edgeworth is (relatively) reasonable, had it been someone like Von Karma the answer would 100% have been "Nope, no dice" resulting in an instant guilty verdict. (Despite having played through this game series before, I'm still amazed whenever I see just how much the system is stacked against the defense.)
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Arguably that's only to let the characters show development. The judge, as the plot requires, can (and has) overrule the prosecution to get the "right" result. We saw it with Von Karma when he refused to submit to the metal detector at the end, and the judge just noped his excuses right out of the courtroom, despite being intimidated by him almost all throughout the proceedings.
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Jan 14, 2017 21:28
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As a satire of the Japanese legal system, this would work better if it wasn't a series of cases in which the defense / player keep achieving the impossible.
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Xander77 posted:As a satire of the Japanese legal system, this would work better if it wasn't a series of cases in which the defense / player keep achieving the impossible. A few concessions were made to make it "a playable video game" instead of "fully accurate satire". Nobody wants a video game where the only options are nothing but eternal failure or pants-on-head insanity and anti-intuition leading to a different kind of failure. Takeshi's Challenge sold like poo poo for a reason.
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 3) - Part 5      : The court will now reconvene for the trial of Ms. Lana Skye. : (Ema didn't come back...) : Allow me to call the next witness to the stand: the officer in charge of guarding the evidence room on the day of the crime.  : Witness, please state your name and occupation. : Me, pardner? Oh, I'm just a man, same as you, wanderin' the trails of civilization. I'm unsure if this is Edgeworth burning Marshall or a mislabeled textbox.  : Oh, I know! You're a : "patrolman"!: As for my name, if you listen hard 'nuff, you can hear the howling wind calling it out.: To be exact, it's Jake Marshall... Your Honor. : ("Howling wind"...? I've never heard Edgeworth described that way before...): Now, Mr. Marshall. Let me ask you something. You were in charge of guarding the evidence room on the day the crime took place. : Is this correct? : According to the papers, pardner.: What do you mean?: A desperado's soul is as boundless as the desert sands. No "paper" can sum it up.: Maybe it's best we get on with this quickly. Please share with us your testimony of the day of the crime...: in English!        : I can't say I particularly care for your attitude...: I can't say I care for your beard, but you dont' see me complainin'. : Wait a minute...: What do you mean by "two security systems"?: I mean the security cameras and the ID card reader. : I reckon even a cowpoke like you knows about those. : Fingerprint activated locks?: What kind of new-fangled doohickeys are those?: (He's not being very helpful...) : He's not that good with machines... or with following orders.: Everyone's got their weaknesses, now don't they, Mr. Prosecutor?: This one seems like trouble.: Okay Mr. Wright, he's all yours.   : How exactly did you "keep an eye" on the evidence room?: I just made sure nothing moved in the security camera monitor. That room's so still,: even time dies in there. I was just a caretaker who interred the recordings.: You "interred" them?: Videos of nothing aren't that useful. When the time would come, I'd erase the tape.: If nothing unusual is recorded, tapes are to be erased every six hours.: Each time I'd erase a tape, it felt like I was erasing a part of my life.: (This guy has a flare for the drematic, but it isn't going to do him any good.): So, in actuality you don't physically enter the evidence room? : But you made your rounds on the day of the crime, right?: Ain't you heard a word I said, pardner?: I told you that ain't my style.: ...: Um, I'm afraid I don't understand.: No desperado I know lets "rules" get in his way.: (No desperados I know join the police force...): So, Officer Marshall. On the day of the crime...?: Just between you and me I didn't set foot in the evidence room that day. : Sorry pardner, can't say I do.: I haven't been in that crypt in weeks.: (How does this guy avoid being fired...?) : You used to be a detective,: so you've used the evidence room in the past, correct?: Of course. Back in the day my locker was a goldmine of evidence!  : And yet... you didn't know about the fingerprint locking mechanism?: Sorry, pardner. I ain't good with machines.: I couldn't even tell you how a bike works.: That's quite, uh... incredible.  : It's well known that some detectives are unaware of their presence.: (Now that he mentions it, Detective Gumshoe said something like that too...): At any rate, it doesn't seem that this is relevant to the crime.: Can you tell us what you were doing when the crime took place? : What were you doing in a place like that?: I was eating spaghetti.: Not even Angel's steak lunches can beat that parlor's vongole sepia pasta.: Do you mean to tell us...: you abandoned your police duties to eat some noodles?: Not all desperados eat tacos, pardner.: That's not what I meant...: I hope this has at least taught you a lesson!: (That's strange...): (This is usually where Edgeworth says,)  : Out of "ammo," officer Marshall?Capitalization errors are everywhere. : That's right, pardner. Or as you'd call it, "evidence.": If you plan to pin me to this crime, then you'd better draw. Otherwise, you're just wastin' my time.: My steel horse is waitin' to carry me back west into the sunset. : Hmm...: One thing seems clear.: Despite being responsible for guarding the evidence room,: the witness doesn't appear to have seen anything.: Texans don't take orders from anyone. Everyone knows that.: (Apparently your superiors don't...)And loop. : (Okay... I have a trump card up my sleeve, so I'd best keep my cool.): (Before I use it thought, I'd better up the ante...)You shouldn't overthink this one.   : Officer Marshall. Doesn't it strike you as odd?: That is, you being claled in to testify like this? : ... : After all, you weren't in the security room at the time of the crime.: And yet you dragged me down here.: Explain yourself, pardner. : It's quite simple. : You left a very large trail behind at the scene. Or, to be exact... : a handprint. : Hmph! Listen real good, pardner. Like I said, I'm the caretaker of that crypt. I pay my respects... that is, I make my rounds, about once a month.: It's only natural my fingerprints would be in there. : I only wish it were, Officer,: but you see...: your fingerprints were covered in blood! : Witness! What's the meaning of this!?: Your bloodstained fingerprints were at the crime scene...!?: The blood was wiped away. However! : Well, Officer Marshall?: ... It seems to me...: there ain't a person in this room with a head on his shoulders.: !: I take it you have an explanation then, Officer Marshall? : Very well, you may begin your testimony about your fingerprints,: found at the scene of the crime!       : Hmm...: The witness's explanation appears valid,: although there's room for doubt.: Life wouldn't be fun without any doubt, pardner. : The defense may now cross-examine the witness.: (This guy's hiding something, I can feel it!)   : That's because you... how did you put it... "pay your respects," once a month?: Yeah, that's right. That, and one more thing... : What!? What do you mean?: I mean what I said. : All that's in there now though is a heap of broken dreams.: I see...: It'd be very strange if my prints WEREN'T all over that locker.: (Apparently his fingerprint data was never changed.) (The handprint data is updated to reflect the locker ownership.)   : Wasn't mine. It's no mystery.: Please explain.: My locker is covered with my fingerprints. It just so happened... : The chances of that happening are a million to one!: On the contrary, one could argue just the opposite.: The chances of that not happening are a million to one! Get one thing straight, pardner.: You ain't gonna get no reward for me with a mere fingerprint. You wanna know why? : Unrelated?: They're as different as night and day.: Kinda like "cereal" and "serial.": One's got to do with breakfast while the other's a type of murder.: He's right...: although seemingly alike, they're totally different.: (I don't see what homonyms have to do with this...) : How do you know that!?: I may be a loner, but I still do my job. I keep up on the reports.: There was a bloodstain at the scene, thought to be left by the murderer. : However,: no fingerprints were detected on that handprint.: (Oh yeah, I think we tried that too.): Hmm...: So that would mean...: the murderer, wearing gloves,: happened to place his hand on top of Officer Marshall's fingerprint.: That's the only logical conclusion.: Are you starting to get the picture, pardner?: The picture...? : !  : (The security tape...): So long as my trail isn't in there... you can't say otherwise.: This isn't getting us anywhere, Mr. Wright.: Please consider carefully where you're going with this cross-examination.: Y-yes, Your Honor.: Now then, continue your testimony, Officer Marshall. : What do you mean by that?: You want to tie me to this crime, isn't that right, pardner?: ...: If so, that video is the only direct evidence you have.: But that video is next to useless!: It's full of blind spots!: Blind spots?: Places you can't see! : If someone was familiar with the camera's position, he could leave the room without being caught on tape!  : We don't have time for your speculations, Mr. Wright.: Well, Mr. Wright. If you can show us evidence in this video that indicates Next time: But what evidence could there be?
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I wonder how Texans feel about this case.
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It should perhaps be remembered that Jake Marshall is explicitly from SoCal and not Texas.
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Mors Rattus posted:It should perhaps be remembered that Jake Marshall is explicitly from SoCal and not Texas. He also may or may not be insane. e - personally I'm leaning towards yes
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Jan 15, 2017 03:04
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What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas?
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Jan 15, 2017 03:18
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They allowed him to carry a flask and a Bowie knife into the courtroom.
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Regalingualius posted:What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas? George W. Bush?
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Regalingualius posted:What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas? A Texan.
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Regalingualius posted:What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas? westaboo
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Regalingualius posted:What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas? A teeaboo.
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Regalingualius posted:What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas? A Dude?
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Mors Rattus posted:
: ...and he's DRINKING ON THE WITNESS STAND! gently caress MY LIFE!
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Regalingualius posted:What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas?
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Cangelosi posted:
Really, at this point, it's not like things can go any worse for Edgeworth than this. Dealing with a drunk witness may actually be the start of his climb back up from rock bottom!
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The hilarious thing is I'm pretty sure Marshall's flask is filled with something non-alchoholic and he just drinks it for the image. He's not as incompetent as Meekins 
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Mors Rattus posted:It should perhaps be remembered that Jake Marshall is explicitly from SoCal and not Texas. Oh, I know. I'm just really curious. 
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Dariusknight posted:Essentially prosecutors can do almost anything up to and including fabricating evidence and suborning perjury from witnesses and introducing false theories in order to get convictions. Defense attorneys essentially have no chance unless they can get the person who did it on the stand, get them to admit it, and prove it via evidence that has already been introduced in the court record. It's not enough to just show that someone else could have done it (ie reasonable doubt), you have to actually prove someone else did it AND get the prosecution and judge to agree with it. Proving that somebody didn't do it is a Defence trick, means nothing. Only by usurping the power of the Prosecution and proving that someone did do it can Phoenix change the outcome of a trial.
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Regalingualius posted:What do you call someone who's a weeaboo for Texas? Rawhide Kobayashi?
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Polaron posted:Rawhide Kobayashi? Only if he is also enjoying superior American passtimes. (Barbeque, Rodeo, Fireworks)
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I think I see the evidence. Right at the very end of the video, you can see something white stuffed into the locker that we now know to have been Jake Marshall's locker. Unlike with Detective Goodman's locker, Marshall's locker's indicator light wasn't on at the start, so that means that the "Goodman" impostor was able to open Jake Marshall's locker, using Jake Marshall's fingerprints. Ergo, the "Goodman" impostor was Jake Marshall. I don't have enough of a handle on things to offer any meaningful speculation yet as to what that evidence means, though. So I'll wait for more information before I try to speculate as to what might be going on.
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Good lord, was everyone from the cops and former cops in on this? Except for maybe, like, Meekins?
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If there's an old case relevant to your present trial in Ace Attorney, you better believe that near everyone involved in the present case is going to have ties to it. DL-6 set that trend and SL-9 continues it.
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[Very germane, I'll grant, but, the spoiler policy tho. -fedule]
Somebody fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I wonder how Texans feel about this case. Jake Marshal is amazing. The dude is just such a dweeb. E: Also. Given that people are literally posting "In the [next game]..." statements, the strict no spoilers period policy could probably use a rehash. E2: Seriously the dude wants to be one of his spaghetti westerns so bad, read the last update, the jokes even infected his dinners FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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Glazius posted:Good lord, was everyone from the cops and former cops in on this? Except for maybe, like, Meekins? Poor Meekins; even his coworkers hold him in contempt.
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[I know we're all very excited about all this but the next person to post a spoiler is not going to get off with just a modedit. -fedule]
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