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There are genuinely people mad at David Hume for the is-ought barrier.
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Pope Guilty posted:There are genuinely people mad at David Hume for the is-ought barrier. And what's the dumbest thing about that? Every attempt I can think of to use science to make normative statements postdates Hume's work here. Economics? Used to be a branch of philosophy, and sometimes theology, until the 18th century at the earliest. And a lot of the more cynical attempts to moralize with it (the uglier strains of laissez-faire economics, for example) are 19th century or later ideas. Scientific racism doesn't exist before Darwin; earlier forms of racism were politically or religiously motivated. Psychology wasn't a distinct field until the 20th century.
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Jan 13, 2017 08:35
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Remember that time LambdaConf invited literally the founder of neoreaction to speak, leading to condemnation by most of the leading lights of functional programming? They've learnt nothing. And have Fahrenheit:1488 on board. w00t!
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Jan 13, 2017 14:41
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Fantasyland, indeed. Edit: Lol at 'you can't withdraw, sorry' if they claim it's from media pressure
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Jan 13, 2017 16:16
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It's pretty funny how the only reason anyone paid attention to Moldbug's useless vanity project(his politics) is also the eternal albatross around his neck when trying to sell it to people
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Jan 13, 2017 16:47
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Pope Guilty posted:There are genuinely people mad at David Hume for the is-ought barrier. I'm aware of Sam Harris's and Ayn Rand's arguments against it (which both seem to amount to "nuh-uh!"). Are there any other fun ones?
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Jan 13, 2017 16:52
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Eric S. Raymond writes about how Rust is a bad computer programming language because it does not contain Linux system calls in the base language. Of course, his commenters know who's really responsible: that darned SJW infestation at Mozilla!! quote:Watching the chaos on the mailing lists and IRC channel, I saw that it was a combination of arrogance and SJWism from the Netscape/Mozilla crowd, in combination with a huge influx from the Ruby on Rails crowd… Ruby on Rails may have been great for setting up a website in 5 minutes, but their mentality toward security, performance, and bugs made my hair stand on end for many years. And that same chaotic mentality followed them to Rust. quote:Another example of the costs of SJW convergence. They are literally talking about the fine details of the choices involved in computer language design as literally an SJW conspiracy at Mozilla. (Not clear on why the first guy calls the organisation "Netscape", given Mozilla left Netscape in 2003. Perhaps this is a shibboleth of some sort amongst the sort of people who seriously claim the fine detail of programming language design decisions is due to SJW infestations.)
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Jan 14, 2017 01:34
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Wow, looks like the bad guy from Jem and the Holograms is still an rear end in a top hat
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Jan 14, 2017 02:18
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https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/820049153132793856 More in Clark totally isn't a racist: https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/819520228610732033 https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/819294460328689677 https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/819296023298314240
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Jan 14, 2017 04:52
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Aren't there is-ought connections, in practice? The objects of science and of moral philosophy are different, but people's moral judgments are informed by their factual beliefs. What jumped to my mind was how information that a practice is widespread makes it less useful as a moral differentiator; if a community internalizes the fact that tons of people are hella gay everywhere and at all times, persecuting gay people will become a less practical tool for social cohesion. Or more simply, doesn't information about what is statistically normal influence (but not determine) what is morally normalized?
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Jan 14, 2017 04:54
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Doc Hawkins posted:Aren't there is-ought connections, in practice? The objects of science and of moral philosophy are different, but people's moral judgments are informed by their factual beliefs. What jumped to my mind was how information that a practice is widespread makes it less useful as a moral differentiator; if a community internalizes the fact that tons of people are hella gay everywhere and at all times, persecuting gay people will become a less practical tool for social cohesion. This will lead to a long, and perhaps, enlightening discussion that has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread topic.
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Jan 14, 2017 05:49
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ClarkHat once again proving he's basically completely unaware of anything that's not his tiny bubble of the world. I also like that he seems to think the left, as a group, is intentionally importing muslims for nefarious reasons. Because why the hell else would you want foreigners in your country, they smell funny 
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Jan 14, 2017 06:04
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divabot posted:(Not clear on why the first guy calls the organisation "Netscape", given Mozilla left Netscape in 2003. Perhaps this is a shibboleth of some sort amongst the sort of people who seriously claim the fine detail of programming language design decisions is due to SJW infestations.) So basically half of php-core, then. (I feel so sorry for Andrea having to put up with this crap)
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Jan 14, 2017 07:24
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TinTower posted:So basically half of php-core, then. divabot posted:They've learnt nothing. And have Fahrenheit:1488 on board. w00t!
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Jan 14, 2017 20:04
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"I just don't understand why our CoC that explicitly bans discriminatory or judgmental speech keeps attracting all these white nationalists! What? No, they're not being judgmental, they have an extremely professional power point presentation on the historical and socio-economic factors that led them to conclude they must secure a future for the white race. They never once made a declarative statement that black people are sub-human mongrels, who are you to judge them for pointing out the vast difference in achievements uncovered by their academic inquiries?"
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Jan 14, 2017 20:32
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divabot posted:Remember that time LambdaConf invited literally the founder of neoreaction to speak, leading to condemnation by most of the leading lights of functional programming? They've learnt nothing. And have Fahrenheit:1488 on board. w00t! This is revealing: http://fantasyland.institute/about/team.html Judging by faces and surnames, all 4 of the main team are siblings (or maybe spouses? But seriously I think they're all brothers and sisters). The only person listed who's not in the family is a volunteer, and her bio says: quote:A programmer from the hills of Kentucky. Obsessed with computers, [self-]learning, and civil liberties. Morgan is responsible for creating the Fantasyland Institute of Learning website, and is passionate about the institute's initiatives to keep ideological discrimination out of the tech industry. "ideological discrimination": Badwrong Speaker who literally advocates for slavery and sometimes lets it slip that the subject of his talk at last year's conference, his ridiculously dumb tech startup's product, is intended (at some level) to push his political agenda: Just fine! DEFEND HIS INCLUSION TO THE DEATH! You can totally separate issues! You must! Tech is tech! It has no relationship with the world around it, it exists on a higher plane! Oh and please pay no attention to the neofascist wannabe-vampire billionaire sugar daddy lurking in the background. loving idiots. Also they really do live in a fantasy land if they think they're going to get worthwhile speakers by insisting that speakers can't withdraw once signed up.
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Jan 14, 2017 20:38
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BobHoward posted:Also they really do live in a fantasy land if they think they're going to get worthwhile speakers by insisting that speakers can't withdraw once signed up. Can't wait to see this year's presentation of "guy who really doesn't want to be here goes up on stage and makes a 45 minute long string of fart sounds with his armpit because he's contractually obligated to be there"
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Jan 14, 2017 23:07
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That won't happen if you select speakers from their list, whose ideologies have been pre-screened as being against ideological screening.quote:With a separate application, you can gain access to our private diversity of thought speaker database. This database can be used to screen for speakers who support ideological diversity.
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Jan 15, 2017 00:05
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Most of the gay furries I know are still not done with their post-Trump panic attacks, so https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/820312710101532672 Oh wait, forgot we were talking about the bizarre fantasy world St_Rev lives in, nm
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Jan 15, 2017 00:08
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I want to know what bizarre fantasyland he lives in where Donald "Mike loving Pence is my copilot" Trump is good on any kind of LGBT rights other than the rights to be treated as a leper and a second class citizen.
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Jan 15, 2017 21:42
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Doc Hawkins posted:Aren't there is-ought connections, in practice? The objects of science and of moral philosophy are different, but people's moral judgments are informed by their factual beliefs. What jumped to my mind was how information that a practice is widespread makes it less useful as a moral differentiator; if a community internalizes the fact that tons of people are hella gay everywhere and at all times, persecuting gay people will become a less practical tool for social cohesion. Basically the is-ought problem is that the two kinds of statements can interact with each other, but you can't generate one purely from the other. You need some kind of moral basis and some kind of factual basis in order to start the process you describe.
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Jan 15, 2017 21:53
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NachtSieger posted:I want to know what bizarre fantasyland he lives in where Donald "Mike loving Pence is my copilot" Trump is good on any kind of LGBT rights other than the rights to be treated as a leper and a second class citizen. He brought a flag on stage at a rally when some attendees gave it to him. In other words he performed a symbolic gesture once, in the moment, therefore he truly loves the LGBT community and has its back.
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Jan 15, 2017 22:27
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Goon Danton posted:Basically the is-ought problem is that the two kinds of statements can interact with each other, but you can't generate one purely from the other. Oh, cool. Glad I'm not doing it wrong.
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NachtSieger posted:I want to know what bizarre fantasyland he lives in where Donald "Mike loving Pence is my copilot" Trump is good on any kind of LGBT rights other than the rights to be treated as a leper and a second class citizen. Well you see Clinton was against gay marriage at some point, and Donald Trump was okay with it in some interview, therefore we can safely ignore every indication that Trump is going to be unfathomably awful
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I assume Trump has 'a better record' because he doesn't have any meaningful record at all until after support for gay rights became normative, seeing as he only just got involved in serious politics. This is of course a more important consideration than the party whose bills he has the power of veto over and which he is making appointments from and whose vp will replace him in the far from impossible situation that he doesn't last a full term.
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NachtSieger posted:I want to know what bizarre fantasyland he lives in where Donald "Mike loving Pence is my copilot" Trump is good on any kind of LGBT rights other than the rights to be treated as a leper and a second class citizen. Trump hates muslims because they hate gay people, therefore he is better on gay rights than the founders of ISIS who can't even say radical Islamic terror etc etc.
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Peel posted:I assume Trump has 'a better record' because he doesn't have any meaningful record at all until after support for gay rights became normative, seeing as he only just got involved in serious politics. This is of course a more important consideration than the party whose bills he has the power of veto over and which he is making appointments from and whose vp will replace him in the far from impossible situation that he doesn't last a full term. He brings up Trump vs Clinton on gay marriage every time the election comes up. Rev's whole strategy for dealing with politics is to find one solitary fact that goes against somebody's oversimplified narrative, then beat it into the ground as if it's some kind of smoking gun that shows the ultimate folly of the progs. Like how he brings up the fact that the group most out risk for rape is black men in prison whenever someone dares to criticize MRAs. It doesn't actually matter that most MRAs don't give a poo poo about those people and most of the people who do loudly criticize the prison industrial complex are people who would identify as feminists if asked. HOW MAN RAPED IF WOMZ DISCRIMINATED AGAINST???????
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The Vosgian Beast posted:He brings up Trump vs Clinton on gay marriage every time the election comes up. Rev's whole strategy for dealing with politics is to find one solitary fact that goes against somebody's oversimplified narrative, then beat it into the ground as if it's some kind of smoking gun that shows the ultimate folly of the progs. He strikes me as this exact kind of person too, the kind of person who thinks they're super ~deep~ because they know the real secret facts the rest of the dumb progs don't know and he can totally shut down debate with them at any moment. So basically me in highschool, plus a bunch of hatred for minorities stirred in for some reason.
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I mean, I'm not aware of evidence that Trump has an animus toward LGBT people, though I would be surprised if he didn't hold lazy stereotypes. He's prolly one of the best of his party. But it's still a silly comparison and conclusion.
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Peel posted:I mean, I'm not aware of evidence that Trump has an animus toward LGBT people, though I would be surprised if he didn't hold lazy stereotypes. He's prolly one of the best of his party. But it's still a silly comparison and conclusion. His prejudices are of the sort that don't lean to active malice. Mostly. Phil Sandifer of course provides. (Archive copy while the last two theses are being revised.)
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Peel posted:I mean, I'm not aware of evidence that Trump has an animus toward LGBT people, though I would be surprised if he didn't hold lazy stereotypes. He's prolly one of the best of his party. But it's still a silly comparison and conclusion. Passionately, even rabidly hating LGBT people seems to have been a major qualification in getting named to his Cabinet.
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ate all the Oreos posted:He strikes me as this exact kind of person too, the kind of person who thinks they're super ~deep~ because they know the real secret facts the rest of the dumb progs don't know and he can totally shut down debate with them at any moment. He seems like a sea lion for sure. Almost certainly has eggs over easy on toast. 
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It's almost as if he's a preening, easily-manipulated vessel for the most noxious and reactionary elements of his party and his personal political principles are of minimal signifiance...
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ate all the Oreos posted:He strikes me as this exact kind of person too, the kind of person who thinks they're super ~deep~ because they know the real secret facts the rest of the dumb progs don't know and he can totally shut down debate with them at any moment. I don't think St_Rev consciously hate minorities, it's just that his views 90% of the time align exactly with people who do and he's incapable of the introspection necessary to realize why this is so.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I don't think St_Rev consciously hate minorities, it's just that his views 90% of the time align exactly with people who do and he's incapable of the introspection necessary to realize why this is so. Yeah okay, he thinks he's got the deep truths that show that minorities are inferior that everyone ignores.
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Jan 16, 2017 22:01
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Jan 16, 2017 23:27
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just when I thought the Daily Shoah doxx affair couldn't get any more hilarious.
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Jan 17, 2017 00:22
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Wait is that site like the onion or is that real?
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Jan 17, 2017 01:09
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Boatswain posted:Wait is that site like the onion or is that real? Raw Story's a reliable enough source.
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Darth Walrus posted:Raw Story's a reliable enough source. it's also just "reporting" on a report Salon did, i hate it when news outlets do that
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