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Pro Wrestling has always been the most baffling form of entertainment to me. There's a lot of stuff I don't like but on some level I can understand why people enjoy it. But people pretending to fight each other?
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veni veni veni posted:Pro Wrestling has always been the most baffling form of entertainment to me. There's a lot of stuff I don't like but on some level I can understand why people enjoy it. But people pretending to fight each other? This argument has been done over and over again but that describes any sort of fight or action scene in a movie, show or play ever. Do you think it's weird that people pretend to do things for entertainment
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Jan 16, 2017 07:27
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"Why would somebody watch Friends. People pretending to be friends with eachother?? I don't understand the appeal"
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Jan 16, 2017 07:31
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I don't care about wrestling one way or the other, but I think the reason it is considered especially stupid or low-brow is the same reason why stuff like Nascar and Lifetime TV is. The stereotypical target demographic is one that a lot of people like to distance themselves from.
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Jan 16, 2017 07:35
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Aesop Poprock posted:This argument has been done over and over again but that describes any sort of fight or action scene in a movie, show or play ever. Do you think it's weird that people pretend to do things for entertainment That's a fine comparison if you want to completely ignore all the subtitles of why wrestling is really weird and stupid.
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Jan 16, 2017 07:36
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veni veni veni posted:That's a fine comparison if you want to completely ignore all the subtitles of why wrestling is really weird and stupid. It's both of those things and I don't think anyone who follows wrestling on these forums disagrees with that
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Jan 16, 2017 07:46
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Grandmother of Five posted:I don't care about wrestling one way or the other, but I think the reason it is considered especially stupid or low-brow is the same reason why stuff like Nascar and Lifetime TV is. The stereotypical target demographic is one that a lot of people like to distance themselves from. Wrestling fans definitely aren't courted for obvious reasons but you might be surprised where their fans fall demographically now. Wrestling changed over from a hick thing to a nerd thing in like the last 15 years 
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Jan 16, 2017 07:51
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That reminds me of an opinion that's got to be real unpopular maybe, after watching wrestling isn't wrestling I went through the creator's youtube channel; Landis is primarily a writer who works in Hollywood and has done a lot of short films, tv shows, movies and comic books and has seen the film industry from the perspectives of writer, director and producer and on his channel he sometimes does short opinion pieces on Hollywood, specifically the way and why of how it does its business. It sometimes comes off as a histrionic defense of Hollywood's shittier practices but IMUO it's really more of an overview of the pressures producers currently face as seen by an insider. The pressures are just things filming costs going up, gross ticket sales going down, modern metrics/analytics now dictating creative decisions, what all that means for the future, etc. Red Letter Media sometimes does similar pieces albeit usually from the outside. Other content creators also do it but I actually enjoy watching Landis' take on it even if his style of vloging is pretty intense, abrasive and prone to foot-in-mouth disease. All that just reminds me that I shouldn't take his word as gospel but it is food for thought. Aesop Poprock posted:That short film is really bad for multiple reasons and I only noticed that after watching it a couple times i bet, just in consideration of the number of liberties he would have had to have taken with the material to wring out a cohesive, slow-burn, 20 years-in-the-making odyssey of storytelling and characterization from the WWE still, i have to admit i had fun looking at something in a completely new way quote:Wrestling is also bad for multiple compounding reasons but I still watch it and know way too much about it. Like probably more than any other random trivia subject it's not really my thing anymore but i can watch it just fine if i'm with someone really knowledgeable and enthusiastic about it hard counter has a new favorite as of 08:59 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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Jan 16, 2017 07:53
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Here's a fun match if you never watch wrestling and think it's dumb and just want to watch an American and British man flip around each other like they're in an anime in front of appreciative Japanese people http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dxp1b
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Jan 16, 2017 08:01
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The thing about Wrestling is I was very entertained by it up until the age of about 14 and I really don't understand why other people didn't get bored and fed up of all the cliches at the same point I did.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:01
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Tiggum posted:How so? Selling senseless violence to children as entertainment is wrong.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:04
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Aesop Poprock posted:This argument has been done over and over again but that describes any sort of fight or action scene in a movie, show or play ever. Do you think it's weird that people pretend to do things for entertainment Unlike other form of media, wrestling has no other purpose (artistic, narrative, symbolic) than to show people hitting each other. It uncritically embraces and commercially exploits the darkest aspects human nature like a gladiatorial arena of today. It's a "sport" for sociopaths and stunted people, no matter if it is nominally "fake" (the culture it promotes certainly isn't fake, and neither is the fact that pretty much everybody involved in it professionally seems to be a terrible person on some level). steinrokkan has a new favorite as of 09:11 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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Jan 16, 2017 09:08
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steinrokkan posted:Unlike other form of media, wrestling has no other purpose (artistic, narrative, symbolic) than to show people hitting each other. It uncritically embraces and commercially exploits the darkest aspects human nature like a gladiatorial arena of today. Are you familiar with professional wrestling even as a concept because it sounds more like you're describing a (again, totally flawed) version of MMA You know pro wrestling is the one that's a narrative fake sport that usually has ongoing storylines and characters?
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Jan 16, 2017 09:11
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Aesop Poprock posted:Are you familiar with professional wrestling even as a concept because it sounds more like you're describing a (again, totally flawed) version of MMA At least MMA promotes athleticism and has some semblance of sportsmanship, instead of building "narratives" around violence. Just being "cartoonish" or garish isn't a defense, if anything it just is more troubling because it attempts to trivialize and conceal the underlying issues.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:13
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steinrokkan posted:At least MMA promotes athleticism and has some semblance of sportsmanship, instead of building "narratives" around violence. Just being "cartoonish" or garish isn't a defense, if anything it just is more troubling because it attempts to trivialize and conceal the underlying issues. I bet you get into a frothing rage when loony tunes comes on tv.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:14
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steinrokkan posted:At least MMA promotes athleticism and has some semblance of sportsmanship, instead of building "narratives" around violence. Just being "cartoonish" or garish isn't a defense, if anything it just is more troubling because it attempts to trivialize and conceal the underlying issues. How is it different than a comic book, tv show or movie where the good guy beats up all the bad guys
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Jan 16, 2017 09:14
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I bet you get into a frothing rage when loony tunes comes on tv. I know I do.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:15
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The thing with wrestling is that it used to take itself pretty seriously and acted like it was real. Kayfabe was A Thing and you never, ever broke character. Ever. Then eventually people started realizing that it was really, really fake (this isn't a difficult thing to see) while wrestling realized that nobody actually gave a poo poo if it was real or not. So wrestling started taking itself less seriously. Professional wrestling is stupid. It knows it's stupid and just runs with it. The best way I ever heard it described was "a soap opera with huge stunt men for guys."
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Jan 16, 2017 09:25
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Aesop Poprock posted:How is it different than a comic book, tv show or movie where the good guy beats up all the bad guys None of those things are nearly as braindead and direct in placing the bouts of violence itself as the centerpiece to be admired, while actually physically damaging the "performers" in the process (and it's not like there is something to be admired about loads of other media - just because I only mentioned one form of perverse brutishness doesn't mean I advocate for others). As I said, even MMA carries with it positive connotations, but not wrestling, which is just the face of depravity laid out as bare as modern society allows.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:26
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steinrokkan posted:None of those things are nearly as braindead and direct in placing the bouts of violence itself as the centerpiece to be admired, while actually physically damaging the "performers" in the process (and it's not like there is something to be admired about loads of other media - just because I only mentioned one form of perverse brutishness doesn't mean I advocate for others). As I said, even MMA carries with it positive connotations, but not wrestling, which is just the face of depravity laid out as bare as modern society allows. I literally don't think you've ever seen wrestling at this point
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Jan 16, 2017 09:30
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steinrokkan posted:As I said, even MMA carries with it positive connotations, but not wrestling, which is just the face of depravity laid out as bare as modern society allows.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:34
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steinrokkan posted:None of those things are nearly as braindead and direct in placing the bouts of violence itself as the centerpiece to be admired, while actually physically damaging the "performers" in the process (and it's not like there is something to be admired about loads of other media - just because I only mentioned one form of perverse brutishness doesn't mean I advocate for others). As I said, even MMA carries with it positive connotations, but not wrestling, which is just the face of depravity laid out as bare as modern society allows. Violence is the most human thing represented in all art. Violence is arguably more human than sex. To deny wrestling is to deny humanity.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:09
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If Trump is right about one thing it's that Alec Baldwin's impression of him is not funny. Also I'm not sure if this is unpopular but SNL hasn't been funny in well over a decade.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:24
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Pro Wrestling is basically live action anime
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Jan 16, 2017 10:29
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Kate McKinnon consistently puts in solid work. The Brooklyn Bubble sketch was also great a month or so ago. No way I'm sitting through a whole episode but there's a few good things to watch every month.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:30
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Its amazing how much we would improve ourselves as a species by euthanising people who watch boxing and MMA.
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Jan 16, 2017 13:00
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My main problem with pro wrestling is the terminology and the made up words like kayfabe. You can't call the good/bad guy "the good/bad guy", no it has to be a "face" or a "heel", etc. It's like you're intentionally trying to make people sound like idiots when discussing it. I also never really understood the "it's like a soap opera" defense. You're in your mid 30s, liking soap operas isn't really something most people would brag about.
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Jan 16, 2017 13:12
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the few wrestling matches I've watched I've laughed a great deal at the play acting and been wowed at the athleticism and acrobatic skill. Some of those huge guys can fling themselves around. I've also been wowed while watching athletic and acrobatic people at circuses etc. Why get outraged at WWE?
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Jan 16, 2017 14:13
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Wwe is great because of the characters and music they produce and the over the top ridiculousness they have. Just imagine someone is giving an important speech on an upcoming international trade deal and then JOHN CENAS music hits and he comes out to shout down and beat down the speaker while making good opposition points. Shits funny precisely because its ridiculous and WWE has given this to us.
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Jan 16, 2017 14:45
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yeah I eat rear end posted:If Trump is right about one thing it's that Alec Baldwin's impression of him is not funny. Also I'm not sure if this is unpopular but SNL hasn't been funny in well over a decade. His impression of him is.....ok. His material and comedic delivery are awesome.
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Jan 16, 2017 14:46
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Aesop Poprock posted:"Why would somebody watch Friends. People pretending to be friends with eachother?? I don't understand the appeal" I know you're making another point but I would just like to say that Seinfeld is better. At least the people on Seinfeld knew they were assholes.
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Jan 16, 2017 14:50
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free basket of chips posted:Pro Wrestling is basically live action anime starkebn posted:the few wrestling matches I've watched I've laughed a great deal at the play acting and been wowed at the athleticism and acrobatic skill. Some of those huge guys can fling themselves around. I'm serious, watch that Will Osprey vs Ricochet match I posted earlier. It's two muscular flippy dudes trying to out flip each other and getting mad whenever they stalemate. It's so anime even some other pro wrestlers were getting pissed at it in real life. It ended up with Vader having a match with one of them http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4dxp1b
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Jan 16, 2017 14:55
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bean_shadow posted:I know you're making another point but I would just like to say that Seinfeld is better. At least the people on Seinfeld knew they were assholes. I started with Seinfeld but Friends made for an easier comparison cause of the wordplay
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Jan 16, 2017 14:56
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"It's just like my animes" is not an endorsement, hth
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Jan 16, 2017 14:59
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Jastiger posted:His impression of him is.....ok. His material and comedic delivery are awesome. I watched the press conference one and it was just the same tired pee jokes we've been hearing the past several days+ straight  Watching Trump himself speak is often funnier than what Baldwin does.Unpopular TV opinion: I just finished rewatching Dexter and the ending really isn't nearly as bad as I remembered thinking/hearing it was. I actually like it now. The treadmill scene is still awful but the rest of that season and the finale are pretty good. The real worst season+season finale was season 5.
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Jan 16, 2017 15:02
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steinrokkan posted:"It's just like my animes" is not an endorsement, hth Live stuff where grown human beings fly around like dbz characters is fun but you're so settled on your weird 80s mom style "pro wrestling is next to the devil" mindset I don't think you're gonna enjoy it
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Jan 16, 2017 15:03
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Wrestling is like comic books in that it's completely absurd and I could never get into it but I love learning about the insane things going on in that world, especially if told to me by a passionate fan. Although with comics my reasoning for not getting into them is more because I never tried at a young age and I feel like I can't take on an entire medium at this point. I can only be nerdy about so many things and music, sports and TV take up all that space for me.
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Jan 16, 2017 15:31
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Aesop Poprock posted:I'm serious, watch that Will Osprey vs Ricochet match I posted earlier. It's two muscular flippy dudes trying to out flip each other and getting mad whenever they stalemate. It's so anime even some other pro wrestlers were getting pissed at it in real life. It ended up with Vader having a match with one of them see, what's not to like there? It's just like a fun circus act.
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Jan 16, 2017 15:46
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Lucadores are minimal drama and lots of dudes flying all over the place and that poo poo is awesome to watch.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:My main problem with pro wrestling is the terminology and the made up words like kayfabe. You can't call the good/bad guy "the good/bad guy", no it has to be a "face" or a "heel", etc. It's like you're intentionally trying to make people sound like idiots when discussing it. Henchman of Santa posted:Wrestling is like comic books in that it's completely absurd and I could never get into it but I love learning about the insane things going on in that world, especially if told to me by a passionate fan.
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