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Baka-nin posted:I first encountered Alex Jones on a cable documentary series on conspiracies. Alex Jones was on the one about that weird meeting place with an owl statue. He claimed that by exposing this secret cabal to the world he was confronted by two men in robes armed with daggers. Apparently Alex managed to fight them off bare handed, without getting a single scar or needing a hospital visit. Isn't he also the Brotherman Bill guy?
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SteelMentor posted:I absolutely love that story. What Jones leaves out is that he was there with another conspiracy theorist guy. But whereas Jones tried to sneak into the Grove, got lost and eventually got his sorry rear end dragged out by security, the other guy walked in the front door and ended up getting drunk and partying with the attending million/billionaires.
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Dec 11, 2016 00:37
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:I think Jones went there with the journalist Jon Ronson, who ended up writing about it in his (excellent) book Them. IIRC, the way Ronson told it, they walked in the front door together pretending to be tech billionaires and stuck together for most of the night. Nah what happened is a lot funnier. They both got to the general area together, and then parted ways. Ronson had some fancy but not too fancy clothes on and just kinda sauntered in one of the main entrances acting like he belonged there, with the only check being a pat down to make sure he didn't have any weapons on him. If anyone had asked him who he was he had planned to just say his name and that he was a journalist. But that never came up, as he just looked like any other probably rich dude. He got to attend a few events and then just left without issue. Alex Jones went off into the bushes and poo poo and snuck in and kept to cover and watched over people. He never actually got to attend the events.
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Dec 11, 2016 00:47
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This is my favorite Alex Jones storyquote:So Alex Jones and the little scrappy guy ended up in the parking lot, Sotelo said, with Jones telling the scrappy guy he had a right to shoot him. “And the guy just plants his foot and says, ‘Well, then, shoot me.’ Then he throws a roundhouse punch and pops Alex in the side of the face, as hard as any man could hit another.”
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Dec 11, 2016 00:59
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I heard that Alex Jones believes that ultimately Satan is behind everything, but he's actually an alien in cahoots with Rothschild's and other Jewish sounding names. Punching Alex Jones cannot be a crime can he?
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Dec 11, 2016 01:24
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Jones certainly did get his rear end kicked at Austin cable access back in the day, a friend of mine was there and has told the story many times. Everyone at the station hated Jones, he was a massive pain in the rear end, as anyone reading this thread could imagine, and they eventually kicked him out. That's how he ended up on radio and eventually the internet.
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Dec 12, 2016 20:34
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SteelMentor posted:The ultimate irony in all this recent wave of nonsense is that we have an actual, massive conspiracy with dangerous ramifications in the form of the Russian Hackings just sitting there in the open, but these nuts will happily pretend it never happened because it helped them in the short-term. Funny you should say that! 
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Dec 12, 2016 23:22
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A populist says some poo poo and the whole press bangwagon jumps on it and helps to spread it even further.. It can be frustrating sometimes.
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Dec 13, 2016 01:18
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Helen Highwater posted:Funny you should say that! Oh good he's admitti... wait
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Helen Highwater posted:Funny you should say that! 
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Dec 14, 2016 17:04
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Speaking of Alex Jones, after the Pizzagate shooter, Alex Jones is trying to scrub all this references to Pizza Gate because before the guy set off on his shooting he shared a bunch of Jones's stuff on it. https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/12/13/alex-jones-scrubs-pizzagate-content-complaint-reveals-new-tie-connecting-shooter-jones/214809 God drat, the Comet Ping Pong should sue the rear end off Jones for what he's done. Seriously, why can't people who are singled out by Jones and other  agitators take legal action? If it's a general, blanket statement about an organization, it would be hard, but if you're say Joe Brown of Tacoma is running a child sex ring and an elder of zion, shouldn't that be grounds to take legal action? Or do we live in a world where facts don't matter so much that saying complete bullshit that actively harms other people is perfectly okay.
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twistedmentat posted:Speaking of Alex Jones, after the Pizzagate shooter, Alex Jones is trying to scrub all this references to Pizza Gate because before the guy set off on his shooting he shared a bunch of Jones's stuff on it. Libel suits are nearly impossible to win in the US. Though this is one of those cases where it might be possible, still, it would be dragged out in court for years.
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Dec 15, 2016 02:34
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We can never know what the shooter felt in his heart of hearts. Maybe he liked Jones, maybe he didn't. But did you know the shooter's parents both registered Democrat? Makes you think.
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Dec 15, 2016 02:45
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The latest conspiracy to do the rounds on facebook about how it wasn't the Russians who were performing cyberattacks but in fact Obama via the department of homeland security has struck me by both how utterly ridiculous the theory is requiring you to have to take a dozen different leaps of faith to believe it and also how incredibly sickeningly slick this fake news stuff is now presented as to appears like an actual news cast.
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Dec 17, 2016 17:38
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Anyone else think Jones is getting some cash from the Russians? Like I'm sure selling scam supplements is lucrative and everything, but his level of production values and staffing isn't cheap. Particularly if he wants to line his pockets with most of the profits.
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Dec 18, 2016 20:39
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I saw something about how Trump has been told about the Aliens among us and is totally cool with it, but I cannot believe Trump for a second could resist being THE guy who confirmed aliens have visited earth.
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Dec 19, 2016 03:41
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twistedmentat posted:I saw something about how Trump has been told about the Aliens among us and is totally cool with it, but I cannot believe Trump for a second could resist being THE guy who confirmed aliens have visited earth. Give him time. If he has something like that on his mind, that Twitter account is undoubtedly staring him in the face like a jolly, candy-like button.
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Dec 19, 2016 03:46
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twistedmentat posted:I saw something about how Trump has been told about the Aliens among us and is totally cool with it, but I cannot believe Trump for a second could resist being THE guy who confirmed aliens have visited earth. What if he is the aliens?
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Dec 19, 2016 06:41
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GreyjoyBastard posted:What if he is the aliens? I mean, that would explain a lot about Trump, I could believe he's one of the farting aliens from Doctor Who.
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Dec 19, 2016 07:22
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Just a few days until I get to spend a week with my Alex Jones loving brother in law! Can't wait to hear about why every conspiracy theory is true except for Russian interference with the election which is absurd, unlike the government putting chemicals in juice boxes to turn people gay as population control. Last time I talked to him he told me I should really watch this great documentary called Loose Change.
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Dec 19, 2016 18:35
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Well here's something I didn't think I'd see, What's even more surprising is that aside from a couple of loony comments, most of the comments on his facebook page are by communists taking the piss out of him.
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Jan 16, 2017 05:53
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Unless it's changed recently, you don't need an account to post comments on info wars. You can post all day as a guest. Who's really fronting the false flags I guess is what I'm saying.
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Jan 16, 2017 14:40
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Comrayn posted:unlike the government putting chemicals in juice boxes to turn people gay as population control. Please tell me this is a real "theory"!
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Jan 16, 2017 23:53
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Obama turned my frog gay with chemicals
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Jan 17, 2017 01:58
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"Government is poisoning our kids and makin' them gay to control the population" sounds downright tame and simplistic compared to some of the deep crazy poo poo out there.
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Jan 17, 2017 02:24
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504 posted:Please tell me this is a real "theory"! do you even have to loving ask
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Jan 17, 2017 02:45
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I wonder what happens if you put gay juicebox believers in a room with big pharma conspiracy theorists and war on christianity types and ask them to sort out why the pharmaceutical corporations don't sell the gay chemical vaccines to the pray the gay away centers.
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Jan 17, 2017 03:03
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OwlFancier posted:I wonder what happens if you put gay juicebox believers in a room with big pharma conspiracy theorists and war on christianity types and ask them to sort out why the pharmaceutical corporations don't sell the gay chemical vaccines to the pray the gay away centers. You do know that there have been actual studies on this, right? What happens is: they all agree. Belief in on CT predisposes one to belief in another CT, even if that CT is contradictory to the pre-existing CT. It's a wild weird world.
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Jan 17, 2017 04:30
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Sigh.. I don't get it, I love juice drink it every day. I've got lots of kids. Am I doing it wrong?
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Jan 17, 2017 04:50
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I just want to see that cage match is all.
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Jan 17, 2017 04:51
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504 posted:Please tell me this is a real "theory"! It was my go to "you can't seriously believe this guy" example when my brother in law first mentioned Alex Jones. Motherfucker didn't even blink. And yes when you put a bunch of people who all believe in different conspiracy theories together the result is a bunch of people who believe in all the conspiracy theories. It doesn't seem to matter how much they contradict each other but well I guess we aren't exactly starting from a strong logical foundation so why should it.
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Shbobdb posted:You do know that there have been actual studies on this, right? I love this fact, and also the fact that you can explain to a CT person directly that they have professed two completely contradictory beliefs and they just don't register it at all
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QuarkJets posted:I love this fact, and also the fact that you can explain to a CT person directly that they have professed two completely contradictory beliefs and they just don't register it at all
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Jan 17, 2017 13:03
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Skeptics groups are often loving full of people like that. Conspiracy theory believing libertarians nerds with MRA tendencies. For them being a "skeptic" is just another way of feeling superior to the misguided sheeple who believe in stupid stuff like god or "what the government and media say" or this whole lie of feminism.
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I was a member of the Australian Skeptics for nearly 20 years but things took a really unfun turn to the right and it stopped being a useful resource run by scientists, medical professionals and well educated, interesting lay people and turned into an echo chamber for horrible people who couldn't tell the difference between a convincing argument based on evidence and being an arrogant piece of poo poo with their head up their arse. There was a running argument in their journal for years one how cigarettes don't cause cancer and the publishers allowed it because the people arguing that stupidity were their friends and they actively quashed counterarguments not only by MDs but even some goddamn actual epidemiologists with decades of experience in the field. I hope things have gotten better, because drat, that was embarrassing. Wanted to show a friend who was worried about vaccinating her kids an issue with an article by a retired nurse who had spent her life in the third world vaccinating children, but I couldn't because the article right after it was smug self congratulating bullshit about "correlation does not imply causation" wrt cigarettes.
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So I just got a spam email at work from "conspiracy gate" about Ft Lauderdale police, anonymous, the FBI,etc. (I work for a government agency so that's sort of common) Well, I decided to use a burner email to ask the guy more info. Who wants to read his email back to me? Its me all of it. The FBI has recently shut my FACEBOOK page down because I have followers and several Anons around the world helping me. Im involved in a massive cover up due to being targeted. That video and others on my Conspiracy Gate Youtube were all made by me. I wrote them all I dont know who made them for me. People that made the real first Anonymous videos did all I do is send them photos and write them up. Need your help! Expose that video. I have helped many and they targeted me.. Sincerely Scott Goodyear I don't know what any of this means.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:22
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He's still emailing me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koet-Oss5jA No record of any kind at age of 35 this explains alot.. Watch it! Held me in jail on a cover up for 2 years because a crazy chicks mother paid off a judge stole all my money... So last year they hacked me.. Expose that NAACP video.. The Feds will roll in I need your help man.. Scott
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Gorilla Salad posted:"correlation does not imply causation" Taken as a more absolute statement it confuses me because if correlation does not imply (As opposed to outright prove) causation, then what the hell else does?
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Jan 19, 2017 17:36
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Raxivace posted:I've always felt this is one of those sayings that should be changed slightly, perhaps to something more like "correlation does not always imply causation". Because there needs to be additional evidence that links the correlated events to the caused event. People are really good at spotting patterns. So good in fact that we spot patterns even when they don't exist. It used to be a survival trait, the guy who was good at figuring out if the big shadow at the back of the cave was actually bear-shaped or if the moving lines in the grass were actually a tiger was less likely to get eaten. These days though it mostly manifests as a propensity to see Jesus in poptarts and evidence of massive conspiracies from lines in the sky. If you see a correlation then that's a data point, it's not proof. Spurious correlations. 
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Raxivace posted:I've always felt this is one of those sayings that should be changed slightly, perhaps to something more like "correlation does not always imply causation". Causation implies causation and nothing more without evidence. The point of the statement is that you need to actually find proof that A leads to B because it's very easy for A and B to change with almost disturbing similarity without actually having any connection. There's a whole list of graphs here.    
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