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Don't read the reply tweets on that because 80% of them think it's just a case of a bunch of weak-willed, soft kids, as if once someone is in the "proper" shape it becomes impossible to hurt them via training and conditioning hard. I bet if Oregon went 12-1 last year they'd be crawling up the S&C staff's rear end over this, though. Never underestimate the power of people who think rhabdo is something you get inoculated for as an infant.
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Pawwwwwllll I'm getting sick and tired of these yellow bellied millennial athletes faking passing out..
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Jan 17, 2017 02:59
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For what it's worth, you know who had open discussions about social issues, and supported his players raising a fist to the national anthem this season? Jim Harbaugh!
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MourningView posted:I'm still incredibly mad that Iowa didn't fire our strength coach when that happened there. Instead Kirk made up an assistant coach of the year award just to give it to him When I pulled up the Yahoo article and saw Rhabdo I thought "just like Iowa a few years ago" and then in the last paragraph there was Iowa! We are way better at giving people Rhabdo though because we sent like 11 guys you really need to work on your player-killing skills Oregon.
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Let's be fair, the mistake was taking a team that hadn't been working out and throwing them into an intense workout rather than the workout itself being too intense. Basically, on its own, what they did was fine, but being the first thing they did when getting back from break was a poor idea.
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kayakyakr posted:Let's be fair, the mistake was taking a team that hadn't been working out and throwing them into an intense workout rather than the workout itself being too intense. No, whatever they did was too much. Out of shape people don't really get rhabdo because they listen to their bodies and stop when it's had too much. Rhabdo is what happens when in-shape people ignore their bodies (or are forced to ignore) and continue to exercise well past its breaking point. There's a reason rhabdo is a Crossfit thing and not something you see at your local YMCA. Oregon being lovely right now doesn't mean their players are FCS cast-offs who would struggle with a high school workout regimen. The kids are in shape, they were simply overworked. This is not a hell week thing where kids are just puking a lot and are more tired because of the system shock, this was just too much conditioning. e: and it's not to say it's not somewhat understandable as running kids into the ground in the winter as a new HC is just what's done but this was clearly too intense. It's not something they'll adjust to, it's something that will need to be dialed back. Crotch Bat fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jan 17, 2017 |
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AsInHowe posted:For what it's worth, you know who had open discussions about social issues, and supported his players raising a fist to the national anthem this season? what does that have to do with the post you quoted look at this entitled pansy probably never played a real sport
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MourningView posted:look at this entitled pansy probably never played a real sport I mean, he does play for the browns.
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MourningView posted:what does that have to do with the post you quoted If a top tier head coach gets behind the players' perspective, maybe that will influence other coaches to be better.
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Crotch Bat posted:No, whatever they did was too much. Out of shape people don't really get rhabdo because they listen to their bodies and stop when it's had too much. Rhabdo is what happens when in-shape people ignore their bodies (or are forced to ignore) and continue to exercise well past its breaking point. There's a reason rhabdo is a Crossfit thing and not something you see at your local YMCA. A single guy getting rhabdo is bad luck, even two could be supremely bad luck, but multiple players is a sign of pushing people far beyond their limits. Its super lovely for everyone involved, and I still hold the idea of not attributing to malice what can be attributed to ignorance, but man, someone has got to go for this.
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swickles posted:A single guy getting rhabdo is bad luck, even two could be supremely bad luck, but multiple players is a sign of pushing people far beyond their limits. Its super lovely for everyone involved, and I still hold the idea of not attributing to malice what can be attributed to ignorance, but man, someone has got to go for this. Agreed. This was very likely just some stupid S&C coaching but at the same time you wonder where does the responsibility lie in their job if they're not only allowing kids to become dangerously ill under their care but being directly responsible for it. At some point ignorance should cease to be an excuse for a poorly done job.
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Forming a coalition could distract them from their goal of winning the Big Ten.
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Spacemonkey57 posted:Forming a coalition could distract them from their goal of winning the Big Ten. Who, the Browns?
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Crotch Bat posted:No, whatever they did was too much. Out of shape people don't really get rhabdo because they listen to their bodies and stop when it's had too much. Rhabdo is what happens when in-shape people ignore their bodies (or are forced to ignore) and continue to exercise well past its breaking point. There's a reason rhabdo is a Crossfit thing and not something you see at your local YMCA. They should fire the coaches and bring Chip back, he was all about proper conditioning
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The thing that bites me about the whole Oregon thing is that only a fraction of the players on the team will make it to the NFL, and even of that, not all of them will do anything but be a special teams only player because they're that far down the depth chart (or practice squad). But paying student athletes and treating them with respect? Nah.
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tactlessbastard posted:Who, the Browns? Please, the Browns couldn't even win the Big Ten that year where Todd Boeckmann quarterbacked Ohio State to a national championship berth and Illinois played in the Rose Bowl.
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Emron posted:Uncomfortable embraces are a thing all programs should avoid in light of recent years Maybe this is something you could have brought up before we hired coach smooches? 
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Crotch Bat posted:They suspended the Oregon S&C coach a month without pay. Seems like a fair punishment to me. Yeah I came to post this. I think it shows that they are taking it seriously.
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I legitimately think the coach should be fired. Rhabdo isn't something that's easy to get. There is no reason to EVER push someone so far that they come close to the damage required to cause that type of breakdown. The fact that it happened to multiple kids shows that the S&C staff is using outdated training methodologies, and aren't able to program safely for the people in their charge.
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Rick posted:Jesus, the brutal Arizona offseason gets about as bad as it could possibly be. Greg Byrne did an awesome job of pulling the football program out of a deep tailspin, and even if things are kind of bad on the field now, the program is still worlds healthier than when he got there. Not to mention all the good things he did with every other sport. LOL, Arizona football stunk up the place in the 80s when I was an undergrad there! Aside from a couple of notable seasons, such as the Desert Swarm years, Arizona is always terrible at football. U of A has always been much more focused on baseball and basketball, both from an institutional standpoint and from a fan standpoint. Football is an afterthought there and always has been.
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Korranus posted:Strong visit to Clemson but the kid tweeted he's still a Bama lean 'crutin
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Dilber posted:I legitimately think the coach should be fired. Rhabdo isn't something that's easy to get. There is no reason to EVER push someone so far that they come close to the damage required to cause that type of breakdown. The fact that it happened to multiple kids shows that the S&C staff is using outdated training methodologies, and aren't able to program safely for the people in their charge. Apparently Taggart brought his S&C coach to replace Radcliffe who's so well respected that a lot of his books are published by Human Kinetics. Essentially one of the best S&C coaches in the country was replaced by Taggart's significantly less qualified buddy. Radcliffe is still overseeing all the other athletes at Oregon so hopefully Taggart wises up at some point.
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Dilber posted:I legitimately think the coach should be fired. Rhabdo isn't something that's easy to get. There is no reason to EVER push someone so far that they come close to the damage required to cause that type of breakdown. The fact that it happened to multiple kids shows that the S&C staff is using outdated training methodologies, and aren't able to program safely for the people in their charge. I sincerely wish all the players a safe and speedy recovery... But, I think we are all missing how humorous this episode is. For example, this article about how last season went wrong for Oregon was published apparently after the players were hospitalized, but before the news was released: http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2017/01/how_the_oregon_ducks_football.html quote:In the weight room during the offseason, a large number of players, and rarely the same ones, balked at completing UO's weightlifting workouts. One current Duck -- who like all players interviewed requested anonymity in exchange for their candor -- recalled teammates who finished workouts to the letter, but with much lighter weights. Another said it was common for some to mark down that they had completed all the repetitions -- even though they had not done so. Oops
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Yeah it was one thing when it was Iowa and the coach had like a decade of being one of the best strength coaches in the country for the school (and, again, Doyle 100% should have been fired). This dude had been on the job for less than a week. E: blaming the players is loving awful. If they weren't in shape or prepared for a workout like that, it's the job of the coach to know that and not give them a workout that's going to be so unsafe that it literally gives them early stage kidney failure
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Dilber posted:I legitimately think the coach should be fired. Rhabdo isn't something that's easy to get. There is no reason to EVER push someone so far that they come close to the damage required to cause that type of breakdown. The fact that it happened to multiple kids shows that the S&C staff is using outdated training methodologies, and aren't able to program safely for the people in their charge. I think there's also an implied (if not overt) contract that a coach abides by to keep their players safe (or as safe as possible). This seems like it flies in the face of one of the central tenets of coaching, and I'm with you: he should be fired.
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Oregon's rhabdogate is a weird situation. It honestly doesn't sound like the workout was that crazy, more that the guys were just totally out of shape, though the new S&C guys absolutely 100% should've figured that out and been aware of that. They obviously deserve the blame. That said I lift with some of the football players and see a lot of them workout and with a few specific exceptions, the guys haven't been doing anything that intense or directed. We're talking showing up for 20 minutes, doing some really half-assed poo poo and leaving. Oregon used to be big on conditioning over strength and effectively encouraged that. In the last couple years the conditioning has looked worse and the strength has continued to be p sub par. It's been in a bad state. Just looking at the guys on the Oregon sideline vs other teams this year has been really telling, a lot of the players looked like infrequent lifters at best. Similarly you could just watch the Ducks run out of steam in the second half and sometimes even in the 2nd quarter. Irele should have handled poo poo better, but it's a weird situation to walk into. Wtf do you do when the team you're hired to train is in their current position in large part because a substantial amount of the team has been seriously blowing off workouts. What do you do with football players who don't want to lift weights and refuse to be held accountable by either teammates or coaches? That's just an absurd situation to be in in the first place. This also cycles back to Helfrich and how tf exactly he let the team get away with so much poo poo
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Herstory Begins Now posted:. Wtf do you do when the team you're hired to train is in their current position in large part because a substantial amount of the team has been seriously blowing off workouts. What do you do with football players who don't want to lift weights and refuse to be held accountable by either teammates or coaches? That's just an absurd situation to be in in the first place. This also cycles back to Helfrich and how tf exactly he let the team get away with so much poo poo Design workouts to get them where they need to be rather than throwing them to the wolves?
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Regnevelc posted:Design workouts to get them where they need to be rather than throwing them to the wolves? What would be a good way to ease people into that? Maybe some bodyweight squats, pushups, burpees, etc. that they can opt out of at any time? Oh wait E: to be clear, not blaming the players, just point out how absurd it is that the kind of workout you give to 40 year old resolutioner office workers gave a bunch of college athletes rhabdo. That's just ridiculous. Obviously Irele should have an individual fitness assessment and tailored the program accordingly, that goes without saying. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Oregon's rhabdogate is a weird situation. It honestly doesn't sound like the workout was that crazy, more that the guys were just totally out of shape, though the new S&C guys absolutely 100% should've figured that out and been aware of that. They obviously deserve the blame. An hour of continuous push ups and up downs is exactly the kind of thing that causes Rhabdo. Low weight high rep work for extended duration is a pretty good description for how to cause Rhabdo, especially if it's targeting muscle groups that aren't built for that kind of constant load, like the upper arms. Being fit doesn't prevent Rhabdo, and can probably contribute since those people are more likely to push through pain and have the cardiovascular strength to keep working at moderate intensity for long periods. It's the sort of thing you see at lovely crossfit gyms do to people, but you'd hope a professional S&C coach would know better, especially at a place like Oregon where money to pay good people isn't in short supply.
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