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Aesop Poprock posted:That sounds pretty adorable actually. I don't talk to most of my appliances so I dunno how to start a conversation with them Yeah that's the thing with making smart "stuff". The way I see it, there's no reason to make something "smart" unless it is fiddly, and/or dangerous if mismanaged, and/or has large potential to waste energy if poorly managed. A kettle is ideal "smart" candidate because it's all three of those things. A garbage can on the other hand? What the gently caress is a smart garbage can? All I can imagine is that it like, sorts your garbage for you somehow, but in doing so it probably expends more energy than any amount of recycling or composting could have saved in the first place.
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CommonShore posted:Yeah that's the thing with making smart "stuff". The way I see it, there's no reason to make something "smart" unless it is fiddly, and/or dangerous if mismanaged, and/or has large potential to waste energy if poorly managed. A kettle is ideal "smart" candidate because it's all three of those things. I guess it could like release a coverup smell or tell you what the load bearing capacity of the bag was at
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CommonShore posted:I could see a WiFi kettle being nice, but I wouldn't pay more than $5 on top of regular kettle price for it - I could send it an email and be all like "hey kettle heat 500 ml of water at 83 C" and it'd be like "kay" and then a few minutes later it'd be like "ready." You'd still need to put water in it though, so why not just turn it on then? Or get it its own water hook up but that seems like more trouble than it's worth.
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But when your WiFi kettle goes down, it goes down hard: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/12/english-man-spends-11-hours-trying-to-make-cup-of-tea-with-wi-fi-kettle
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CommonShore posted:Yeah that's the thing with making smart "stuff". The way I see it, there's no reason to make something "smart" unless it is fiddly, and/or dangerous if mismanaged, and/or has large potential to waste energy if poorly managed. A kettle is ideal "smart" candidate because it's all three of those things. What kind of a kettle do you have that's apparently so much more complicated than "put water in, push the knob"?
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Capilarean posted:What kind of a kettle do you have that's apparently so much more complicated than "put water in, push the knob"? Things get fiddly when using a regular manual kettle to regulate temperatures for different kinds of tea. I didn't say complicated - I said fiddly.
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CommonShore posted:Things get fiddly when using a regular manual kettle to regulate temperatures for different kinds of tea. I didn't say complicated - I said fiddly. https://www.breville.com.au/the-tea-kettle.html
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CommonShore posted:Things get fiddly when using a regular manual kettle to regulate temperatures for different kinds of tea. I didn't say complicated - I said fiddly. Okay, now please explain how boiling a wifi antenna helps with any of this.
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"kettle, please make some crotch-searing water"
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CommonShore posted:Yeah that's the thing with making smart "stuff". The way I see it, there's no reason to make something "smart" unless it is fiddly, and/or dangerous if mismanaged, and/or has large potential to waste energy if poorly managed. A kettle is ideal "smart" candidate because it's all three of those things. Give the kettle automatic shutoff and a whistle. Problems solved with no need for wifi.
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PathAsc posted:"kettle, please make some crotch-searing water" *LCARS error sound* Please specify the nature of the crotch.
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Platystemon posted:Give the kettle automatic shutoff and a whistle.  I know how kettles work. It doesn't change that I think it would be nice to be able to open a UI on my desktop while working to get exactly as much hot water of a specified temperature as I need ready for me in my kitchen, with minimal waste, or to have a timer set so that it's ready for me when I get up in the morning.I guess I should just get Enrique to do it for me.
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Enrique has a very good voice interface too.
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CommonShore posted:Things get fiddly when using a regular manual kettle to regulate temperatures for different kinds of tea. I didn't say complicated - I said fiddly. Wait, are you supposed to make tea at any other temperature than "boiling?"
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Foxhound posted:Wait, are you supposed to make tea at any other temperature than "boiling?" https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3437984 tl;dr black tea at boiling, green teas at like 80-85 C, white teas and matcha lower. Too hot can ruin the flavour and just make it sour and lovely. The water temperature makes more of a difference the more expensive your teas get. Watch out - this poo poo is a rabbit hole. Within 12 months you could be ordering high mountain-grown oolongs and telling yourself that at a buck a cup it's cheaper than wine.
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Just piss in a cup in the morning and call it ethical locally sourced artisinal tea.
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PathAsc posted:Just piss in a cup in the morning and call it ethical locally sourced artisinal tea. I think you'll find that's called "kombucha", and it's $11.99/L.
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So we can Kickstart a WiFi bottle of kombuchapiss that also spins and clicks? Neat.
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I think the future for IoT is going to be a suite that lets you control your different IoTs in one app. So you can check out your tea kettle, start the pressure cooker, turn off the ice maker, etc. That'd be more of a startup thing though where the end goal was to get bought out by an IoT company.
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Maybe  but that's SmartThings, which was bought by Samsung.
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RandomPauI posted:I think the future for IoT is going to be a suite that lets you control your different IoTs in one app. So you can check out your tea kettle, start the pressure cooker, turn off the ice maker, etc. That'd be more of a startup thing though where the end goal was to get bought out by an IoT company. I thought it was bad people didn't leave the house, now they're not going to get up from their chair.
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Subjunctive posted:Maybe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0RmaFoXrH8 Cyberpunk future looking
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Subjunctive posted:I think you'll find that's called "kombucha", and it's $11.99/L. I prefer not to drink tea that's alive
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As dumb as some of these wifi appliance ideas are they're still more plausible than the notion we're going to see driverless cars as more than a novelty.
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PathAsc posted:Just piss in a cup in the morning and call it ethical locally sourced artisinal tea. Micturate, Benjamin, micturate! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK3LduV4-tg
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CommonShore posted:
And how exactly is your wifi-enabled-cloud-hosted-neural-network-IoT-smart-device going to fill itself with water first, genius?
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I refill the kettle after I pour out of it, while waiting for tea to steep. It's always loaded and ready.
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DoctorTristan posted:And how exactly is your wifi-enabled-cloud-hosted-neural-network-IoT-smart-device going to fill itself with water first, genius? Smart faucet
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Subjunctive posted:I refill the kettle after I pour out of it, while waiting for tea to steep. It's always loaded and ready. Gross.
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DoctorTristan posted:And how exactly is your wifi-enabled-cloud-hosted-neural-network-IoT-smart-device going to fill itself with water first, genius? Water pods, get with the program.
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Platystemon posted:Gross. Mmmm, stagnant water.
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Dienes posted:Mmmm, stagnant water. I have tea easily 3x/day, so I'm not too worried about it. I'll dump it after I come back from a trip.
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DoctorTristan posted:And how exactly is your wifi-enabled-cloud-hosted-neural-network-IoT-smart-device going to fill itself with water first, genius? Well obviously you have your smart fridge fire shards of ice into it from across the room.
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Morglon posted:Well obviously you have your smart fridge fire shards of ice into it from across the room. Now THAT is a concept I'd back, especially if it also has a remote camera and manual fire trigger.
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You can't spell idiot without IoT.
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Evil Fluffy posted:As dumb as some of these wifi appliance ideas are they're still more plausible than the notion we're going to see driverless cars as more than a novelty. Really? There are so many companies pursuing this concept though! I for one see the death of the human controlled car - and maybe the concept of a private vehicle disappearing completely. I invision a world with fleets of driverless cars that can be called up like a taxi.
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treiz01 posted:Really? There are so many companies pursuing this concept though! I for one see the death of the human controlled car - and maybe the concept of a private vehicle disappearing completely. I invision a world with fleets of driverless cars that can be called up like a taxi. As someone who hates to drive and is also night-blind, I would LOVE a self-driving car.
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CommonShore posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3437984 I find black teas are sweeter when brewed at lower temperatures, but I drink them straight without milk or sugar or anything added because I think that if you have to mask the taste you didn't brew it properly. Green tea is definitely pretty terrible if the water is too hot because it just goes brown and bitter and gross. edit: that said if you want to make tea perfectly it shouldn't have to involve computer networks at any point
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RandomPauI posted:I think the future for IoT is going to be a suite that lets you control your different IoTs in one app. So you can check out your tea kettle, start the pressure cooker, turn off the ice maker, etc. That'd be more of a startup thing though where the end goal was to get bought out by an IoT company. This already kind of exists with things like Yonomi, which in turn works with the Amazon Echo. I tried it and it wasn't particularly reliable. The Echo is also super easy to code for, so you can make your own all-in-one application for anything that you can access the API for. I gotta admit, I quite enjoy having the Echo and a smart thermostat so when it's cold and I'm in bed I can just tell it to put the heating on without having to get out of bed.
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