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A tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Sure, it's Macbeth but that kind of sums up Unicorn in it's execution.
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ImpAtom posted:Eh, they basically do. The ending is literally "this symbol means what we want it to mean, and we can choose to evoke it for our own goals" while the fake Char literally turns into dust once he loses value as a symbol. It's still not particularly well executed but y'know, Unicorn. I don't know if I'd agree with that reading of Frontal's death. Frontal's value as a symbol was that he was embodying the ideals that other people believed Char was representative of, and nothing in the show until possibly Mineva's speech did anything to harm his value as that symbol to the kinds of people who would support the Sleeves in the first place. All of the Sleeves except the Granceries crew happily follow him to their deaths and I seriously doubt the downtrodden poor in Palau who are shown literally worshipping at an altar of Zeon would have believed he was anything less than a symbolic martyr after the fact. Frontal's extreme nihilism which led to him going all crumbly when Banagher yelled EVEN SO hard enough, while extremely Char-esque, had nothing to do with what he was representing to the public.
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My girlfriend has agreed to watching three episodes worth of Gundam with me on our anniversary (which is in a month). I'm thinking of showing her the first episodes of War in the Pocket, Turn A, and Build Fighters, OR the first MSG compilation movie. She's seen a few episodes of SEED Remastered with me and it was just ok for her. I want to show her G or IBO but unfortunately neither are to her taste, as I've come to know.
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Jan 13, 2017 18:02
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Kanos posted:I don't know if I'd agree with that reading of Frontal's death. Frontal's value as a symbol was that he was embodying the ideals that other people believed Char was representative of, and nothing in the show until possibly Mineva's speech did anything to harm his value as that symbol to the kinds of people who would support the Sleeves in the first place. All of the Sleeves except the Granceries crew happily follow him to their deaths and I seriously doubt the downtrodden poor in Palau who are shown literally worshipping at an altar of Zeon would have believed he was anything less than a symbolic martyr after the fact. It absolutely does. Frontal even says it himself. He is the embodiment of those self-destructive desires and lack of hope in the future that leads to stuff like the Loni/Zeon Relics situation. The "Even So" thing it's worth remembering isn't out of nowhere. It is what Marida Cruz explicitly tells Banagher to do when faced with that. (She literally tells him to keep saying "Even So" regardless.) He isn't failing to argue, he's failing to submit and to agree with Full Frontal that what he represents. He's the Zeonic nihilism taken to its most extreme but he's defeated when the final episode revolves around that Zeon Nihilism losing. The Zabi Princess rejects the idea of the Federation as a heartless enemy, the most die-hard Zeon supporter who lost his daughter a second time chooses to reject the cycle of violence, and the guy who believes Newtypes are monsters embraces their possibility. And he takes Banagher to the very end of time and goes "See, there's only darkness" and Banagher rejects it using Marida's words.
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Jan 13, 2017 18:09
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Just watch War in the Pocket until she decides she's not interested, instead of a random smattering of first episodes. I definitely wouldn't make anyone start with First Gundam, movies or not, unless they were super into 70s animation quality. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Jan 13, 2017 18:10
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Will you have a romantic dinner of ham burgers after watching War In the Pocket?
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Jan 13, 2017 18:19
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I got my GF into gundam with Build Fighters.
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Jan 13, 2017 18:28
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Lemon-Lime posted:Just watch War in the Pocket until she decides she's not interested, instead of a random smattering of first episodes. Also the pacing is really hosed in the MSG movies
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Jan 13, 2017 18:29
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ImpAtom posted:It absolutely does. Frontal even says it himself. He is the embodiment of those self-destructive desires and lack of hope in the future that leads to stuff like the Loni/Zeon Relics situation. "Go a little further. See? That Gundam is helping people move cows. And look! The Zaku II is still trying its hardest. Warms the heart, don't it?"
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ImpAtom posted:It absolutely does. Frontal even says it himself. He is the embodiment of those self-destructive desires and lack of hope in the future that leads to stuff like the Loni/Zeon Relics situation. See, the thing is, Frontal might believe that the ideals he's an embodiment of are inherently self-destructive and hopeless but I think stuff like the Palau scene and the entire Side Co-Prosperity sphere concept he was peddling to his supporters don't necessarily jibe with that. There were definitely segments of the Zeon remnants that were fighting for nothing but hatred and vengeance like Loni. To the people of Palau, Frontal represented hope; hope that the son of who they believe to be their greatest hero and champion had returned from the dead and that he was going to improve their awful lives. The fact that the Co-Prosperity sphere itself was a lovely, awful idea that would simply exchange the oppression of one group of people for another doesn't change the fact that to the downtrodden colonists it represents hope for a better future, of which Frontal is its chief champion and supporter. The entire purpose of the Laplace affair was to give Frontal a weapon with which to bring this future hope into being! I know exactly where the Even So comes from and what motivates it and I understand the hamfisted philosophical battle at the end of Unicorn, I just think it's utterly ridiculous that the show took something relatively metaphorically successful(Banagher rejecting hopelessness even when faced with what Frontal shows him) and totally loving ruins it by having Frontal be so blown away by Banagher's refusal that he pulls a Roy Batty from Blade Runner literally out of nowhere.
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Jan 13, 2017 20:07
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Episode 4 is still the best of Unicorn by a long shot. Zinnerman really shines in that episode.
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Jan 13, 2017 20:23
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Arcsquad12 posted:Episode 4 is still the best of Unicorn by a long shot. Zinnerman really shines in that episode. I have the complete opposite reaction. Episode 4 also has Loni, who is by far the worst character in the series and it also had Banagher being an insufferable idiot.
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Jan 13, 2017 20:26
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Monaghan posted:I have the complete opposite reaction. Episode 4 also has Loni, who is by far the worst character in the series and it also had Banagher being an insufferable idiot. I find Loni being the embodiment of Zeon's resentment and the last stand of the Zeon remnants to be far more interesting than Full Frontal's successor state tomfoolery.
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Jan 13, 2017 20:31
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Arcsquad12 posted:I find Loni being the embodiment of Zeon's resentment and the last stand of the Zeon remnants to be far more interesting than Full Frontal's successor state tomfoolery. If you want to do that that's fine, but the show can't loving go "She's a good person." when the only time we see her is murdering civilians on a massive scale or alternatively, her getting annoyed that she may not be allowed to murder people on a massive scale. Loni being pissed of Zeon lady is fine, but the show tried to have it's cake and eat it too. At least with Zimmerman, we got the idea that he was conflicted but was still wrapped up in old hatred. Loni makes the entire last fight seem so dumb and just makes me want to bash Banagher's head in.
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For me the only reason Banagher wouldn't top the worst character in the series list is if he was disqualified for being a blob of pure protagonism rather than a character.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Just watch War in the Pocket until she decides she's not interested, instead of a random smattering of first episodes. She can handle the old stuff. I just want to show her the variety in Gundam and let her pick something to watch. Definitely having hamburgers after 0080, though.
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Jan 14, 2017 01:55
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Schneider Heim posted:My girlfriend has agreed to watching three episodes worth of Gundam with me on our anniversary (which is in a month). Do three episodes of Build Fighters. It caps off with the Zaku Amazing fight iirc.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Do three episodes of Build Fighters. It caps off with the Zaku Amazing fight iirc. No that's episode 6. Episodes 1-3 of GBF are fun but nothing that would blow anyone away or make them sit up and pay attention.
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Jan 14, 2017 02:38
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Not a lot of Gundams have really impressive first episodes IMHO
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Improbable Lobster posted:Not a lot of Gundams have really impressive first episodes IMHO Highly disagree, especially with the series he chose.
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Jan 14, 2017 02:52
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The first episode of Greco is pretty memorable. It's the only TV show I've ever seen open with a spirited defense of spherical earth theory.
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Jan 14, 2017 02:57
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Gundam Wing starts off with a bang. G Gundam also shows a good basis of how the first half goes.
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Pureauthor posted:No that's episode 6. Is it? poo poo, thought it was sooner.
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Tae posted:Gundam Wing starts off with a bang. That narration... 
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Pureauthor posted:No that's episode 6. i like the zaku fight in episode 2 a lot. it's probably my favorite 20 seconds of fight animation in any anime
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My favorite thing about Unicorn is that the last thing the "Ghost of Char" does is his corpse manages to ruin the life of one more kid who looks up to him.
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Oh that whacky Char!
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Eh that kid was a douche though.
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Snooze Cruise posted:My favorite thing about Unicorn is that the last thing the "Ghost of Char" does is his corpse manages to ruin the life of one more kid who looks up to him. I don't see how it ruined his life. I thought the script or something said that Angelo actually felt relieved that he was dead? Arcsquad12 posted:Eh that kid was a douche though. This is also true.
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I hope Twilight Axis gets an anime. I wanna know what's going on with these guys
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Monaghan posted:I don't see how it ruined his life. I thought the script or something said that Angelo actually felt relieved that he was dead? I was making a joke 
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Snooze Cruise posted:I was making a joke 
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Jan 17, 2017 02:12
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Snooze Cruise posted:I was making a joke I'm dumb .
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Jan 17, 2017 02:45
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I wish Gundam Developers would get animated, I'd love to see the light-hearted slice of life adventures of Zeonic's quest to perfect the movement mechanisms of gigantic murderous war machines and that cute chubby technician chick.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSlgWxm-yCg
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My 4k bd of thunderbolt arrived from Japan today and God this ova is great and looks amazing.
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cheesetriangles posted:My 4k bd of thunderbolt arrived from Japan today and God this ova is great and looks amazing. How much did that set you back? $80?
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Jan 24, 2017 15:35
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Yeah around 80 with shipping. I was surprised it had a full English dub on the disc.
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I wish it was cheaper. I've wanted SF Debris to review another Gundam series ever since he got me interested with his look at War In The Pocket. I figure the only way that will happen is if someone wants him to review more Gundam, so I'd have to send him a disk myself.
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https://twitter.com/Vertical_Comics/status/823884548735963136 What could it be?
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