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So if I want to get back into this where should I start? Anything I can read as to what has changed? Last played back in May of 2016 I think. Here is my characters gear and stats My inventory of that matters 
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Holyshoot posted:So if I want to get back into this where should I start? Anything I can read as to what has changed? Last played back in May of 2016 I think. Here is my characters gear and stats How much silver do you have? You can get rolling with about 300mil silver (which is extremely easy to get now). PRI Liverto - 95mil Pri Ult Axion/Vangertz - 35mil DUO Ult Grunil set (4 pieces each @ 50mil) = 200mil. Weapon/Shield is first priority then armor. PRI is ok too and drops the armor price from 200 down to like 120mil? That 80mil is significant and as a sword and board class, 220 DP is good enough to survive Mediah. If you lack funds, then sell your black stones, memory fragments. There's no reason to enchant your gear until you get deep into the late game now. It's far far cheaper to buy items than to try to enchant it yourself. I think you should be close to 350 gear score (probably something like 130 AP and 220 DP) After that, save up for TRI boss equipment (Kzarka and Bheg should be first, then start filling rest as you can) 56 is awakenings, save up for a PRI or DUO blue (Ultimate upgraded) too. Event rewards, scroll rewards, convert Hunter Seals to Armor Black Stones (and sell). Liquidate everything to money but be smart about how you time your Value Packs (you should get a few for coming back). Always fill up to max on MP with max stacks of items (10 for memory fragments, 100 for armor stones). AFK fish when you go to sleep or work. edit: added emphasis for the value packs TVDinna fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Holyshoot posted:So if I want to get back into this where should I start? Anything I can read as to what has changed? Last played back in May of 2016 I think. Here is my characters gear and stats You can certainly follow the advice of TVDinna but I don't think it's the only way to have fun in this game. Just do whatever it is you enjoy doing in the game and don't worry too much about maximizing efficiency or having the absolute best items. I think it can be more fun to find & upgrade poo poo yourself, rather than buying gear. 300 million is also a shitload of silver. Sure it's easy to get but that doesn't mean it's fun!
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fletcher posted:You can certainly follow the advice of TVDinna but I don't think it's the only way to have fun in this game. Just do whatever it is you enjoy doing in the game and don't worry too much about maximizing efficiency or having the absolute best items. I think it can be more fun to find & upgrade poo poo yourself, rather than buying gear. 300 million is also a shitload of silver. Sure it's easy to get but that doesn't mean it's fun! Yeah...until you spend about 500mill trying to enchant +14 to +15 on Nouver like BladeBoques did tonight. He has +40 fail stacks on all his chars now. You can buy most gear at tri for under 500mill if you watch the market. But to each their own.
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300mil isn't too terribly hard, the events are seriously huge. I made an alt account on Christmas when I got my new laptop. I leeched a few scrolls off my main account and did the event welfare, but haven't played it at all. Sitting at 100mil now on that account. It only has a lvl 26 ranger. Going to grab a PRI Liverto and DUO Steel Dagger. Going to be at about 120 AP. Once I get home this weekend, I'll plow through to level 50, start collecting the daily scrolls and continue getting event welfare. Goal is to double box bosses on my alt + this new character. Start saving money on this new character, do the pain in the rear end enchanting gear/jewelry and then just sell poo poo to my main. Doing it this way is boring as gently caress for sure. Huge emphasis on boring as gently caress. I went through a period of a few months of doing nothing but AFK fish in BDO. This most recent event tanked some jewelry prices hard so I bought a bunch of those and started playing again a little bit this past week because I'm on vacation. I honestly often wonder why I even still play this game. All the goons have quit and :koregame: is dying.
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I think I need to get my bearings first. Haven't touched this game in 8 months makes you forget a lot of stuff. What weapon and shield do I want to get? I guess I could google that? And I assume I buy it at 15 but you said PRI is ok? From my understanding pri and duo are terms used for + versions of accessories right?
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Holyshoot posted:I think I need to get my bearings first. Haven't touched this game in 8 months makes you forget a lot of stuff. Jokerpilled Drudge fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Holyshoot posted:And I assume I buy it at 15 but you said PRI is ok? From my understanding pri and duo are terms used for + versions of accessories right? Yes when you enhance accessories like earrings/rings/belt it goes PRI/DUO/TRI/TET/PEN. For weapons, after +15 it goes to PRI/DUO/etc. So DUO weapon is +17, but it's called DUO instead.
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Weapon is the biggest boost in AP. PRI Liverto is cheap and affordable. Liverto and Kzarka have the same AP, but the hidden Accuracy is better on Kzarka. Axion Shield is more AP, Vangertz is less AP but more Acc and DP. Get the Ultimate version. Don't get anything less than +15 or PRI Liverto. You can upgrade to PRI with good odds if you have +15 and DUO isn't too terribly tough either. PRI Liverto should get you into a decent shape until you can start saving up for boss gear.
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Holyshoot posted:95mil is quite a bit of money though, no? And is it that much better then a 20mil +15 Yuria, Rosar or Kalis? Edit: Maybe i read your post wrong or you edited, so editing mine too :P Effectively, a Pri Liverto will give you 12 AP over a +15 Yuria. Liverto also gives +3 Crit which is rather good. PenguinScotty fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Holyshoot posted:95mil is quite a bit of money though, no? And is it that much better then a 20mil +15 Yuria, Rosar or Kalis? I have workers making Grunil all day every day, mostly from ingredients attained by other workers. This process gets me between 10-15 mil a day just hanging out idle. If I fish/grind on top of that and just sell everything it goes up to 30 mill. It aint so bad getting that paper
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PenguinScotty posted:Edit: Maybe i read your post wrong or you edited, so editing mine too :P And a pri liverto is an enhance liverto? Because I was reading this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/5mzp8u/we_are_having_an_epidemic_of_new_players_trying/ and he's saying going straight to liverto is bad. I'm not new but I'm not super rich. I think I have like 60m in mats in my warehouse and 140 energy and 125cp. I was just afk fishing when I finally uninstalled. Also what guild are you in TVDinna and do you have a discord where I can ask all my annoying newb questions?
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I'm in a casual guild that was formed when Trucidation died. If you're looking to do something serious, there's far better guilds. I'm mostly in it because there's zero requirements and there were a few other guys I already knew a little from Trucidation. Been trying to get Goontang back since it has better skills, but no luck on that front. If you want to join, I'm sure you can, but if you want better guild skills etc there's definitely better guilds. I'm Yutaka370 in game, tvdeezy 1725 in Discord. Feel free to shoot my any questions and I'll do the best I can. I'm reading that thread and there's a pretty heated debate about Liverto vs Yuria. I'm in the Liverto camp because it offers a good balance of long term usability and cost effectiveness. If you buy a PRI and get a few failstacks going and decide to DUO it, you're going to be doing decently well on AP and at that point you're done upgrading your gear and just start saving for Kzarka. If you buy a Yuria, you have to sell it, then buy a Liverto down the road anyways. No one goes straight to Kzarka or other boss gear. Also, if you get blessed by RNGesus with a Kzarka box, just pop it and sell it. Don't waste money/time trying to enchant it. TRI Kzarka are 450-500mil range. 95 is the weapon cost. 300 memory fragments is 225 mil 100 Weapon Black stones 30mil 5 Sharp stones 20 million That's already 450 million, assuming amazing RNG and not counting the cost you paid to build all the failstacks you need to get to TRI. I sniped a Liverto back in the day when Livertos were still rare and Kzarka +7 when that was still rare. I also got offered Giath and Muskan from NV. I seriously regret trying to enchant all that because with all the money I dumped into building failstacks and repairing, I could have bought for all three of those. Instead I have a PRI Muskan, 13 Giath and DUO Kzarka. The best way to make money is just to make sure you do your scroll groups, get in the IHA discord and kill 2 bosses every time it gets called, If you kill a boss, you get a good shot at Liverto/Awakening bundle which is about 7-9mil per bundle. Only the top 40 will get loot, so that's why you need a PRI Liverto IMO. Liverto will allow you to deal more damage to get loot. 130AP gives you a pretty good shot at loot the vast majority of the time. Until recently, my boss alt was 51 with 130 AP and a few times I'd not get any loot at all because I died a couple times and my damage wasn't high enough. Also, I just checked my new account alt this morning after my other poo poo on it sold. I'm up to 100mil on that account now that has been active for about half a month. I'm not sure if returning players get it, but I think you guys do as well. I know all new players have a separate login bonus which gives pretty good value. I cannot stress how the events/attendance bonuses are loving serious bank. Semi-related note: Wait a bit until this DIY Laventia event is over and sell your Basilisk belt. IMO Basilisk belts are overvalued as gently caress. unenchanted Tree belt = 25mil to get 5AP 1 ACC unenchanted Basilisk belt = 45mil in current event for just 5 AP Tree belt gets 2 AP 1 ACC for each level up. Basilisk is 3 AP. TRI Tree is 11AP 4 ACC, TRI Basilisk is is only 14AP. So if you're sitting on an unenchanted belt, Tree is better than Basilisk and when you get up to higher levels, it's just a trade off of ACC vs AP. Also, as others have mentioned, do what's fun. I'm just sitting here bitterly min/maxing because there's no one left to play with and just AFK fish while I play other games. Until this week, I've hardly played the game for a long long time. It's like Eve Online in the sense that if you wait 6 months to train all your skills(buy gear in this case), then you'll possibly have a more enjoyable experience, but you're doing jack poo poo in the mean time.
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TVDinna posted:I'm reading that thread and there's a pretty heated debate about Liverto vs Yuria. I used a +15 Yuria for awhile before I got my Liverto from a world boss drop. I continued to use my Yuria (which I used an ultimate reform stone on and took to pri) until I slowly got my Liverto to like +14, then switched to the Liverto. Now the Liverto is at TRI and I still have my PRI Yuria. I'm gonna keep the Yuria for building failstacks. The point is you can play the game and have fun with a Yuria, you don't need a Liverto, and the Kzarka certainly isn't a must have for casual players like myself. Buying upgraded weapons might make sense $$$ wise, but upgrading the weapons yourself gives you this nice steady climb of progression, and actually gives you something interesting to do. Otherwise you're just grinding manes or whatever for 8 hours a day until you get enough silver to buy your shiny upgraded boss gear, with no real sense of progression or accomplishment. Also the failstacks you obtain while upgrading your weapons are also essential for upgrading your accessories and such. I got to 36 stacks trying to get my Yuria from +14 to +15 out of dumb luck, and got a DUO Mark of Shadow out of it.
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I agree completely with your thought process that it does provide better sense of progress. I think I +11'ed a Yuria, then was able to snipe a clean Liverto. I started to enchant it and got it up to DUO eventually. That's when I started to try to get a Kzarka. At that time, there was no buying enchanted gear off the AH because Livertos were rare and went fast off the AH. Kzarkas even rarer. At that time, there was no choice but to enchant gear and slowly work your way up. It was interesting and playing with others made it much more tolerable but ultimately it was grindy as gently caress and I didn't know better. Like I said, I just sit there AFK fishing with no intent to actual play the game so it works out very well for me since it's just a prettier Progress Quest and I don't have a whole lot of intent to actually play much. However, I think with the new dynamics of the current BDO economy, it's probably better to eat the less amusing parts so that you progress more quickly and up to speed. Casually playing, no big deal, but doing node wars as an undergeared character was awful. I think my personal record is 0-77. 0 kills 77 deaths in 1 fight. Undergeared characters can still serve a purpose in manning defensive turrets so that's not too bad but that's boring as poo poo and if you're in a guild that's in a winning position vs another guild, then defense is even more boring since they'll just constantly be defending. My advice would apply more towards this situation for someone wanting to get up to speed to PvP or to farm faster in PvE. Getting melted over and over and over is not fun at all. Again, the issue of opportunity cost comes up. You had 36 FS and got an accessory upgrade out of it. I'm not trying to make it sound like an attack but it will sort of come off in that way. 36 FS is worth a decent amount. That's when you can try to TRI a piece of gear (25/35/44 are the caps for PRI/DUO/TRI respectively). A DUO MoS is 70mil off the MP. In an efficiency viewpoint, that's terrible. If you have fun, then you do you. I'm not trying to criticize what's fun but I am criticizing the efficiency in an objective sense of what makes fiscal efficiency. I have essentially zero fun in this game so that's why I just currently do nothing but AFK all day. People go to the casino and lose tons of money there but they have fun. Fun trumps money but that's for each person to decide what their goals are. The guys I'm in the guild with, I'm always arguing with them about trying to get them to be more efficient too, but they find the game more fun to just try to level it themselves. Do what's fun but don't discount the efficiency/fiscal factor when it comes to making decisions.
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Yeah, I've pretty much hated enchanting/gambling systems since Lineage 2. At least in BDO when I get bored of grinding for silver/XP, I can do a dozen other things to have fun.
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TVDinna posted:I think my personal record is 0-77. 0 kills 77 deaths in 1 fight. This is so true. I was in a not so good guild (Oddjobs) and we would get poo poo on sooooooooo hard in node wars since we were undergeared. It was not fun at all. Totally agree with you on that front, don't go my route if you want to do PvP! BTW I am very much enjoying reading your posts and having this discussion! TVDinna posted:Do what's fun but don't discount the efficiency/fiscal factor when it comes to making decisions. This is a good point, if you are a newbie you may want to double check with somebody that you aren't doing something dumb. Like the first time I got a memory fragment and used it to repair my +9 Yuria or whatever it was at the time. There are little things you can do or be aware of that can make a big difference!
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Is the barrier to entry in this game really high, or am I just out of practice with Korean grinders? Started with ninja and the kensai type thing with the bow, and the rotation absolutely mystifies me. Should I be putting more moves on hot keys, or just building muscle memory for combos and stuff?
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Silly Newbie posted:Is the barrier to entry in this game really high, or am I just out of practice with Korean grinders? What exactly do you mean with the barrier of entry? If we're talking accessibility as in combat difficulty, it's definitely different at first, but looking up guides, such as these, can give a good baseline on good combo rotations. After you kind of get used to that and figure out what a skill does, you can build your own combos as well. If we're talking general accessibility overall, it definitely is a big hurdle to figure out the basics at first, if you're interested in more than just going out and killing stuff. That said, i find that rather enjoyable and there are also a ton of guides for that as well.
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Silly Newbie posted:Is the barrier to entry in this game really high, or am I just out of practice with Korean grinders? Ninja kind of has the most stuff going on in terms of combos, but if you just let it happen you'll get used to what moves are available to chain into and when. The shift+right click move does buttloads of damage, and I mostly make sure I can get enemies on the ground, or behind them before I let it rip. There are definitely easier classes though, I started out with wizard and that felt really straightforward (but was a ton of fun) Jokerpilled Drudge fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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Stanley Pain posted:How are Valks these days? I could be wrong on this, but Valks are great 1vs1 but node wars and big group PvP is all that matters. Valks and Berserkers are needed to hold the line and protect the others but that's about it in large scale PvP. Witch/Wiz are really strong in big group because of AoE abilities. I have a Valk as a main and I made a boss alt Witch. Witch lets you be super lazy in bosses and PvE in addition to being more impactful PvP. I'm seriously tempted to swap my main class, but witch just feels more boring to play since melee need to dodge/block. Also, if you play warrior/berserker instead you can RP as Donald Trump because you do a gently caress ton of grabbing. Silly Newbie posted:Is the barrier to entry in this game really high, or am I just out of practice with Korean grinders? Barrier to entry is lower than ever but the trade off is that there's a ton of progression you have to try to catch up on and starting now is impossible to catch up unless you make it rain. The daily 200% exp for 30mins + exp event is amazing amounts of exp. If by barrier you meant key combos and poo poo, it's not too terrible from my experience as witch or valk. Valk doesn't seem too terrible for combos although I could be playing it totally wrong because I'm awful at this game. Witch is pretty idiot proof. 1111111211111121111111111211111112 (MMA until out of mana, then that mana leech spell)
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Is there an updated Best-in-slot (from auction house) warrior guide? I found one that seems really outdated and everyone seems to disagree on what weapon to use. I just want to afk grind money then buy gear to casual play. I have like 140mil so wasting it on the wrong weapon/armor would make me sad.
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TVDinna posted:I could be wrong on this, but Valks are great 1vs1 but node wars and big group PvP is all that matters. Valks and Berserkers are needed to hold the line and protect the others but that's about it in large scale PvP. I had initially started as a sorc (got it to lvl 40) then swapped to Valk (52) and have some other various alts in the 30s. I'm thinking of coming back to gently caress around in PVE mostly since the massive gear grind rng treadmill doesn't interest me one bit. I really feel that I need to re-learn Valk from scratch because of how long I've been away so I might as well level up something else for the heck of it. Anyone have any comments on how some of the newer classes are these days? Musa, Maehwa, Ninja, Kunoichi? Alternatively anyone know of a place that has a good outline for each class?
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Stanley Pain posted:I do, and once I figure out how to actually transfer guild leader status we'll be good Was it you who logged on last night and made me a quarter master? I think you have to give me master rank and we lose half the funds(doesn't matter, we only have 150k). Not sure if my contract has to be renewed as well to make me master. But quarter master is just super member and can't do anything.
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Holyshoot posted:Was it you who logged on last night and made me a quarter master? I think you have to give me master rank and we lose half the funds(doesn't matter, we only have 150k). Not sure if my contract has to be renewed as well to make me master. But quarter master is just super member and can't do anything. Yeah I realized that. There were two options to promote you. Quartermaster and Officer. I'll tag you as officer when I'm on today and then figure out what I need to do to transfer guild lead. If all else fails I think officer rank can do everything anyway.
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Stanley Pain posted:Yeah I realized that. There were two options to promote you. Quartermaster and Officer. I'll tag you as officer when I'm on today and then figure out what I need to do to transfer guild lead. If all else fails I think officer rank can do everything anyway. Sounds good. I'll be on around the same time as yesterday.
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Just started playing this again. It took awhile to sort out my workers and get the life skill money flowing again but I think i can do 7-10 million an about if i'm watching a tv. Is that a reasonable rate? Is there more money in fishing? I'm currently sitting with a lvl 53 valk +15 liverto and vangertz shield, +15 grunils (yellow except for blue boots), mostly trash accessories + basilisk belt and ~300 million silver. I'm going to sell the basilisk when the price goes up and buy a duo shultz belt. Should my main goal be a tri kzarka right now? If i got up to 56 would I be better off with a tri dandelion weapon first? They look like they have similar price. Is shield throw still the way to grind post 56 as a valk? Whats the cost of failing a +15 to pri and pri to duo? Is it just a 5 max durability loss? Do the two set bonuses on the Jarette's jewelry stack? It seems like I would need duo blue ap jewelry to beat that set if it does, is that right? Did parks and recs get resurrected? Do you have to have an active contract to get guild bonuses?
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Stanley Pain posted:Holyshoot has Guild Lead in Parks n Rec now. Thanks for getting it sorted! I passed it off to TVDinna. If any goons want to come back or chill in a guild with decent guild skills hit me up or TVDinna.
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Holyshoot posted:Thanks for getting it sorted! I passed it off to TVDinna. If any goons want to come back or chill in a guild with decent guild skills hit me up or TVDinna. I'm a moderate newbie returning after briefly trying it, how does this work? Do I just whisper "Holyshoot" or "TVDInna" to try to catch one of you online?
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Devor posted:I'm a moderate newbie returning after briefly trying it, how does this work? Do I just whisper "Holyshoot" or "TVDInna" to try to catch one of you online? I forget what TVDinnas in game name is but yes you can just whisper Holyshoot. I'll be on around 3pm PST. We can coordinate the channel then.
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Holyshoot posted:I forget what TVDinnas in game name is but yes you can just whisper Holyshoot. I'll be on around 3pm PST. We can coordinate the channel then. I won't be around until after 7pm PST this evening - but I'll try to catch you another time. If it's a hassle, don't worry about it.
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