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i mean when people accused huey long's share our wealth program of being communist, he deflected by saying it was inspired by christian beliefs which ain't a bad strategy
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Weeping Wound posted:oh goddamnit, they changed your name, so you're no longer allowed to be an IK again > i got my og username back
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are any communists nominated in the cspam election (i didnt read the thread i don't participate in bourgeois politics)
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R. Guyovich posted:the guy i've been in contact with talked about them but hasn't linked me anything on how to participate. i imagine it'll be a lot like a defensive driving course where you already know the material but still need to sit through the thing for the insurance discount/authentic proletarian revolution not everyone can be the homework explainer; some must have the homework explained jarofpiss posted:are any communists nominated in the cspam election (i didnt read the thread i don't participate in bourgeois politics) Mariana Horchata?
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jarofpiss posted:are any communists nominated in the cspam election (i didnt read the thread i don't participate in bourgeois politics) All of them 
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Serf posted:i mean when people accused huey long's share our wealth program of being communist, he deflected by saying it was inspired by christian beliefs Christians just voted for a man who's into watersports with prostitutes. Nothing matters.
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Feminasty Slut posted:Christians just voted for a man who's into watersports with prostitutes. Nothing matters. which just reinforces the idea that if they'll vote for that, they'll vote for socialism
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jarofpiss posted:are any communists nominated in the cspam election (i didnt read the thread i don't participate in bourgeois politics) I consider it completely unimportant who will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how.
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Serf posted:which just reinforces the idea that if they'll vote for that, they'll vote for socialism Sure, if the socialist has an (R) behind his name.
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Sure, R for Revolutionary.
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Feminasty Slut posted:Sure, if the socialist has an (R) behind his name. dumber things have happened
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R. Guyovich posted:let's assume for a moment that the communist party of the soviet union, the communist party of china, the communist party of cuba, the socialist unity party or any other communist party which has seized state power is both explicitly a party of and for the working class (they are. they were. i've posted about this at length before) at what point does such a party cease being a party of workers' power if through it workers are actively involved in affairs of state and economics? if you can demonstrate such a point exists (some scholarly evidence would be excellent!), what would be the superior method of administrating socialism for the working class? how would this method protect any working class revolution from the inevitable forces of reaction and counter-revolution? There are plenty of capitalists who I'm sure are kind & sensitive people, but they're embedded in a system that requires them to act as capitalists, that's their social role. If they don't act in accordance with that, they'll be replaced by someone who will. Similarly, the intent and background of the people operating in the USSR means nothing, all that matters is the structure of power. When marxists analyze capitalism, that's how they analyze it - if we're to analyze the USSR, we should be intellectually honest about it, and commit to the same level of rigor. If you believe that an alternative will necessarily be 'weak' to the actions of reaction and counter-revolution, then you're claiming that real socialism as a system is inherently weak to that. That's a kind of elitist sentiment. There are ways to gently caress it up, to be sure, but it's not an insurmountable problem.
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my response to that is the actual history of those countries rather than the fever dreams of tony cliff but sure
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what the gently caress is this, "spectre"? THIS IS AMERICA
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rudatron posted:i'm okay with top or bottoming nice
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logikv9 posted:what the gently caress is this, "spectre"? THIS IS AMERICA
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rudatron posted:it's a reference to the hit movie Spectre, another installment in the popular James Bond series. the worst movie of them all for its refusal to cater to americans and american interests
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well maybe the US shouldn't have declared independence from great britian?? huh? you think of that?
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you can't become great while staying tied down to tea and THE QUEEN
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deadgoon posted:Mariana Horchata? is a Situationist
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R. Guyovich posted:my response to that is the actual history of those countries rather than the fever dreams of tony cliff but sure tell that to voznesensky
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Mariana Horchata posted:is a Situationist Do Situationists have goals that differ from communists though?
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You guys should pick up Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P. Newton. It's a pretty good autobiography and he doesn't shy away from a lot of the hosed up poo poo he did.
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R. Guyovich posted:my response to that is the actual history of those countries rather than the fever dreams of tony cliff but sure woke American Leninist rolling up to tell u what the Soviet Union was really like, and also that China is a workers paradise
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*extremely CIA voice* sup im here to tell u what the soviet union was really like, and also that America is the land of the free
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Odobenidae posted:*extremely CIA voice* sup im here to tell u what the soviet union was really like, and also that America is the land of the free the CIA pays way better than george soros I even get to ride a shuttle bus to the volcano lair where I work
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Fallen Hamprince posted:up in the public library hollarin about how the scissor crisis was a MI6 false flag and Trotsky was made w/ CGI leon was animatronic stop reading tony cliff 
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if power is exercised in any structured way, it can't be socialism. got it
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R. Guyovich posted:if power is exercised in any structured way, it can't be socialism. got it you're the 'china is still socialist' guy
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can we have a "get to know" about the National People's Congress I want to know about the ~3000 men and women who serve their nation
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is anarchism under the socialism tent i thought they got kicked out in like 1890
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Fallen Hamprince posted:you're the 'china is still socialist' guy they are and i count five other times this has come up as some kind of gotcha in this thread alone
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Atrocious Joe posted:is anarchism under the socialism tent i think this is the ecumenical thread unless someone is gonna start another one
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