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Spacebump posted:Lol this is one of the funniest fake trades I've ever seen. I don't know if I've seen it say that about win % before. I worked on it a little more. Behold: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hy76qp5
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ex post facho posted:i need more jokic He's averaging something like 22/10/5 and in January and has been a beast since Malone gave him the keys. I hope he can keep this up because it's fun to have an elite player to root for, even if the team isn't very good. Nuggets haven't really had one since Melo edit: Atlanta traded Mo Williams and cash to Denver, who then waived him to get closer to the cap floor. Bombshell
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If Mudiay could exclusively play against the Lakers in Staples Center he'd have a bright career ahead of him. Nuggets should furiously try to trade him before the next game while his value is at its peak.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jv838xz There. Now everyone either gets to go back home, move to a better team or just gets to play with their friends. Other than Blake who is going to New York for the stand up scene. tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Jan 18, 2017 11:51
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Ive only seen about 3 Jokic games. Is he more than a one-way role player? Can he anchor a defense?
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euphronius posted:Ive only seen about 3 Jokic games. Is he more than a one-way role player? Can he anchor a defense? He's way more than a one-way role player. He's one of the most unique players in the NBA right now so it's hard to really compare him to anyone, but he passes better than just about any big man I've seen in recent memory and he runs the offense better than any of their guards. Their offense with him on the floor is surprisingly ridiculous (he has the highest ORTG of anyone in the league) and his defense is solid enough that he's not a liability on that end - DRPM ranks him middle of the pack for both PF and C, and he's improving now that he's carving out a more stable role. He rebounds well. Watch my son, Nikola Jokic, play basketball and you'll enjoy a singular experience. Also, he's a very nice boy, if that helps you to like him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96zihr0eqVk Cool Buff Man fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Jan 18, 2017 14:21
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2.1 block % ehhh what is his FG% allowed in the paint?
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Jan 18, 2017 14:42
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http://stats.nba.com/players/defensive-impact/#!?CF=DEF_RIM_FGA*GE*5&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1 not good for Jokic ouch edit If you dont see Jokic click "more" at the bottom to get to the second page. He is last.
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Jan 18, 2017 14:46
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I didn't realize you were specifically looking for stats to try to call him a bad player, sorry. I guess Jahlil Okafor is a better defender than Al Horford.
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Cool Buff Man posted:I didn't realize you were specifically looking for stats to try to call him a bad player, sorry. I guess Jahlil Okafor is a better defender than Al Horford. I said " Is he more than a one-way role player? Can he anchor a defense? " is he doing things in game on defense to belie his horrendous stats? Can you project him to being something more than a sieve under the rim? That is my question.
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Jan 18, 2017 14:53
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Hassan Whiteside is like second to last in pnr defense fg% so,
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euphronius posted:I said " Is he more than a one-way role player? Can he anchor a defense? " You are a weird, obtuse and obnoxious person and I"m just going to refrain from interacting with you because it's not a fun thing to do
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Jan 18, 2017 14:56
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Joel Embiid has about half of the ws/48 of Nikola Jokic. Can anything be done about his horrendous stats?
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Cool Buff Man posted:You are a weird, obtuse and obnoxious person and I"m just going to refrain from interacting with you because it's not a fun thing to do wtf man Ill rephrase the question because it seems not to be clear based on the responses. Ive not seen Jokic play much. His rim protection, by the stats, seems abysmal. Can he be a defensive anchor? Is there something that is not being seen in the rim protection stats? I know you arent going to answer it, but it is a question that interests me. euphronius fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Jan 18, 2017 14:59
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euphronius posted:wtf man Don't loving phrase your poo poo like a Skip Bayless knock off ("one way role player" and "horrendous stats") and people won't treat you like you're a dickhead. Nobody wants to engage with someone who has clearly developed a strong opinion while simultaneously professing to be open-minded. Good luck with the answers.
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Anyways, on a similar note, Nurkic hasn't played more than 8 minutes in a few games. He's gotta be on the way out. Who wants the big boy for cheap
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Jokic loving owns because I am the pickup/rec league equivalent of him, 6 ft 3 so tallish for pickup but play point guard and just throw (occasionally) awesome passes all day I love James Johnson for the same reason https://twitter.com/DiegoIsWrong/status/821553541949095937
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euphronius posted:http://stats.nba.com/players/defensive-impact/#!?CF=DEF_RIM_FGA*GE*5&Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=DEF_RIM_FG_PCT&dir=-1 Be careful with this stat. How it's recorded it's about 1 point difference between a "bottom" player like Jokic and an elite defensive player. How it cuts the numbers it is only looking at 6 attempts per game, which is not much and is a very narrow, incomplete view. Denver is pretty bad at defense, so it's fair that Jokic is probably not elite. However, looking at lineups it doesn't seem like Jokic really hurts or helps them so it's probably more accurate that overall he's pretty defensive neutral and isn't going to hurt or help you much. Jokic doesn't really play next to any good defensive anchors so that's probably going to reflect in his stats. I think he could be a heavy minute player on a good defensive team (think Kevin Love) but Denver doesn't have anyone who can be an anchor right now and Jokic isn't going to be able to fill that role.
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Chinatown posted:did you guys see the tweets from the Warriors new arena groundbreaking ceremony? This cannot be quoted enough. Also, I feel the need to point out that in the first one, the two dudes in black suits on stage are performing Clapping Music by the 20th century minimalist composer Steve Reich. Why? I have no fuckin clue.
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Could jokic play pf next to a defensive 5? He seems to be able to shoot well enough. Or would that muck up his offensive upside too much. euphronius fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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euphronius posted:Could jokic play pf next to a defensive 5? That's kind of what Denver was hoping for at the beginning of the season. Jokic was absolutely miserable at pf.
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euphronius posted:Could jokic play pf next to a defensive 5? Why not? He doesn't really operate out of the low post so offensively he can paired next to someone without range. Defensively it wouldn't matter. That is what happens when he plays next to Nurkic. Though Nurkic also doesn't seem very good defensively either.
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Kibner posted:That's kind of what Denver was hoping for at the beginning of the season. Jokic was absolutely miserable at pf. His start was abysmal, yeah. I'm willing to pass a lot of that off on Nurkic being tough to work around and Malone doing some weird yoyo stuff with the lineup that messed with his confidence as he actually asked to be benched at one point. I also definitely agree that he's not ever going to be a huge rim protecting beast or anything so you're probably going to need to pair him with someone who is. I think "neutral" is a fair way to describe his defense at the moment. However I think it's inaccurate to just label him as a one-way role player and look at his freakin stats since the slow start  
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Would you build the team around Jokic at the 5 or 4? He obviously needs to start and have the ball in his hands on offense. I think he is good enough on O that you build around him. This seems relevant because they have some decisions to make at the trade deadline. As mentioned they could move Jurkic, or Gallo, Faried, etc etc. Its awesome they got him for a 2nd round pick. Just incredible drafting. euphronius fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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euphronius posted:Would you build the team around Jokic at the 5 or 4? He obviously needs to start and have the ball in his hands on offense. I think ideally you have him at 4 and I'm willing to ignore the start of the season as an aberration. Like Lockback said he doesn't really play much in the paint so he's not clogging stuff, I just think he really doesn't work well with Nurkic specifically. I also apologize for being too mean earlier, I don't actually mind interacting with you. I needed coffee. Sorry.
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I should not have said one way role player. In defense, I have seen a lot of Jahlil Okafor and nerlens noel* in the past year and a half and the vocabulary is in my brain. *Nerlens is bringing more to the offense this year in a tiny sample.
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euphronius posted:I should not have said one way role player. I always kind of believed in Nerlens and I'm happy he's playing well. I think Jahlil Okafor is like the nba version of Eeyore so I have a hard time caring about him and I just hope he doesn't end up on my team. He seems miserable at all times
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In a world where PF are getting smaller and smaller and quicker I don't think you should count of big, beefy Nikola Jokic to be a Power Forward.
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Cool Buff Man posted:Don't loving phrase your poo poo like a Skip Bayless knock off ("one way role player" and "horrendous stats") and people won't treat you like you're a dickhead. Nobody wants to engage with someone who has clearly developed a strong opinion while simultaneously professing to be open-minded. Good luck with the answers. He's right; Jokic is an offensive wizard, but he isn't a great defensive player and probably never will be. Have fun realizing that Boston isn't going to be able to trade for a major star at the deadline and is going to run into the Lebron buzzsaw again in the postseason. And that this is going to happen next year too. And then Bradley and IT2 are going to leave.
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I don't see a reason why Nikola Jokic could not develop into a good, defensive center. He is 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan, is mobile, and has good footwork. He needs to get a bit stronger and less beefy. Right now he is closer to 2008 marc Gasol than 2013 Marc Gasol.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:He's right; Jokic is an offensive wizard, but he isn't a great defensive player and probably never will be. If I based everything in my life around my fandom for the Boston Celtics this might be effective but as it stands you just look very stupid. I also have no idea what Nikola Jokic has to do with the Celtics
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Femur posted:What's going in Indy pacer fans? is PG making the All-stars? I've have not heard anything talked about them outside of PG's few quotes and some early Miles hype this year? how is the new coach working out for yall? PG is absolutely an all star, without him they're a 10-win team. Myles Turner is the future. Nate McMillan is exactly who we thought he was. A lot of roster turnover coming into this year, it's kinda a dumpster fire. The George Hill-Jeff Teague trade looks like a bust even though Hill is injured again. 7th seed first round exit feels about right.
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Cool Buff Man posted:If I based everything in my life around my fandom for the Boston Celtics this might be effective but as it stands you just look very stupid. I also have no idea what Nikola Jokic has to do with the Celtics Says the child who spent the last page throwing a temper tantrum and cursing at a guy on the internet who dared to question someone's defense. Go back and read what you wrote and tell me who looks like a loving cock.
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The first three quarters of Raps/nets was some of the worst professional basketball I've watched in recent years. Thank god Derozan just took over. At one point Van Vleet and Pöltl tried to trap Randy Foye. It ended up with Vleet on the ground, Pöltl running away and Foye bricking an open 3. Also, my mom is going to the Raptors 905 game today. Will report back with her scouting report.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Says the child who spent the last page throwing a temper tantrum and cursing at a guy on the internet who dared to question someone's defense. I'm well aware of what the conversation was since I engaged in it and I also realize that you're contractually obliged to stick up for your Sixers friend no matter what. gently caress off though, you're an idiot.
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Redgrendel2001 posted:He's right; Jokic is an offensive wizard, but he isn't a great defensive player and probably never will be. No way. Jokic is the only Nugget worth a drat on defense and he's still in the process of learning it. The reason he finally got the majority of minutes over Nurkic in the first place was because he was actually bringing up the team's +/-. Denver's last place or near last place in most team defensive statistics. Gallinari is legit like their best defender and that's incredibly sad. The team is made to grab rebounds and that's pretty much how they solve their defensive woes.
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Cool Buff Man posted:I'm well aware of what the conversation was since I engaged in it and I also realize that you're contractually obliged to stick up for your Sixers friend no matter what. gently caress off though, you're an idiot. Nah you're having a rage fit. Go for a walk or fix your roid cycle. These were all completely unprovoked. Cool Buff Man posted:I didn't realize you were specifically looking for stats to try to call him a bad player, sorry.I guess Jahlil Okafor is a better defender than Al Horford. Cool Buff Man posted:You are a weird, obtuse and obnoxious personand I"m just going to refrain from interacting with you because it's not a fun thing to do Cool Buff Man posted:Don't loving phrase your poo poo like a Skip Bayless knock off ("one way role player" and "horrendous stats") and people won't treat you like you're a dickhead. Nobody wants to engage with someone who has clearly developed a strong opinion while simultaneously professing to be open-minded. Good luck with the answers.
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