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On the plus side Ford GT dash mod 
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2017: My president is orange, and so is my Mustang.
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mobby_6kl posted:
At least it's all digital. The Grand Cherokee has a digital speedometer and analog temp gauges and tachometer. They're designed to look the same, but of course they don't really. It's really weird. It doesn't look quite so strange in this picture as it does in real life. 
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Jan 18, 2017 13:49
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They got rid of the land speed or whatever was displayed in place of MPH?
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Jan 18, 2017 14:12
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:They got rid of the land speed or whatever was displayed in place of MPH? REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE GROUND SPEED MPH
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Jan 18, 2017 14:17
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I like digital dash boards but I agree on wanting at least analogue speedo. My Challenger has something like that The speedo and revs are analogue but you can update the screen in the middle to show a bunch of different information.
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Jan 18, 2017 14:28
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:At least it's all digital. The Grand Cherokee has a digital speedometer and analog temp gauges and tachometer. They're designed to look the same, but of course they don't really. It's really weird. It doesn't look quite so strange in this picture as it does in real life. The digital dash is actually great and one of the most convenient and seamless parts of the interface on the car. The analog mode is dumb but the digital is really convenient and when the backlight is adjusted correctly you really don't notice the edges of the screen. The nice part about the screen is that any pertinent info takes over the main section while the speed slides up so it's easy to tell what the car's doing with all the auto systems because you don't have to hunt it down or dedicate permanent locations for systems that aren't active all the time. Normal driving  Example of when one of the other features enables automatically. 
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Jan 18, 2017 15:13
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All cars should have digital dashes by now. It's been probably over a decade since the last of them have had any real physical connection to anything on the car and it makes things so much integrated with the amount of information a modern car passes to the driver.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:18
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I love digital clusters but some of them are so bright and won't dim far enough. I enjoy setting the cruise and turning off the backlights entirely on my car at night.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:20
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When is Ford going to make a 4 door Mustang?
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Jan 18, 2017 15:24
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TheWevel posted:When is Ford going to make a 4 door Mustang? They recently ended production of the Falcon in Australia, so... Never.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:27
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TheWevel posted:When is Ford going to make a 4 door Mustang? Considering the closest equivalent cars are the Charger (under 100k units sold in 2016) and SS (under 4k units sold in 2016) not sure if there is a lot of interest.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:28
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BigPaddy posted:I like digital dash boards but I agree on wanting at least analogue speedo. My Challenger has something like that I drove a boring Kia with this exact set up, I wonder how related they are.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:29
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I drove a boring Kia with this exact set up, I wonder how related they are. It wouldn't be shocking if they were getting the clusters from the same supplier. The are basically blank and you load your own code on it. Wonder if you could load the Hellcat package on the Kia ones if they are indeed the same 
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Jan 18, 2017 15:31
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BigPaddy posted:It wouldn't be shocking if they were getting the clusters from the same supplier. The are basically blank and you load your own code on it. Wonder if you could load the Hellcat package on the Kia ones if they are indeed the same "Upshift when you see the flaming kimchi jar."
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Jan 18, 2017 15:36
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BigPaddy posted:Considering the closest equivalent cars are the Charger (under 100k units sold in 2016) and SS (under 4k units sold in 2016) not sure if there is a lot of interest. The Charger is on, what, an 11 year old (probably older) platform? And the SS was torpedoed by GM from the beginning. edit: All I'm saying is the the newish Mustang seems like a good base to make a sedan with. Kill the Fusion. It's ugly and way too boring. TheWevel fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Jan 18, 2017 15:40
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Aren't they redoing the charger currently ? Or did fiat forget about dodge.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:41
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2020 or something. If FCA is still around then.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:44
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Both had a refresh in 2015, much better interiors and new exterior looks. As for replacement of the whole thing rumors seem to be around the next cars being smaller and based on the Alfa Giulia platform but nothing is set in stone apart from everything being dropped from Dodge apart from the Charger and Challenger in the future. Again this is FCA so who knows.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:44
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Just make Jeep cars at this point .
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Jan 18, 2017 15:46
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TheWevel posted:The Charger is on, what, an 11 year old (probably older) platform? And the SS was torpedoed by GM from the beginning. I wish people would understand that a "platform" is just a set of measurements and specs that fix the distance from the cowl to the front axle and a couple of other things for the purposes of setting up an automated production line. It's not a "thing" that get's worn out with age or however this analogy is supposed to work. There's nothing wrong with the Charger just because certain measurements in the car's unibody have not changed for a long time.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:56
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BigPaddy posted:It wouldn't be shocking if they were getting the clusters from the same supplier. The are basically blank and you load your own code on it. Wonder if you could load the Hellcat package on the Kia ones if they are indeed the same Just realised the Kia one is actually more well featured (though I hated the poo poo in the middle of the dials) 
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Jan 18, 2017 15:57
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The badge on the wheel looks like Hyundai, but yes it has more features and looks pretty cool.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:58
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BigPaddy posted:The badge on the wheel looks like Hyundai, but yes it has more features and looks pretty cool. I'm dumb, it was indeed a Hyundai I drove, not a Kia
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Throatwarbler posted:I wish people would understand that a "platform" is just a set of measurements and specs that fix the distance from the cowl to the front axle and a couple of other things for the purposes of setting up an automated production line. It's not a "thing" that get's worn out with age or however this analogy is supposed to work. There's nothing wrong with the Charger just because certain measurements in the car's unibody have not changed for a long time. No, but over time the constraints of that setup begin to tell. Changes in the basic design (or "platform" if you prefer) have cascading impacts on many other issues and limit what you can do. It's not that the platform itself is the problem so much as its suitability to the sort of vehicle you want to build off it. Reusing old platforms saves lots of time and money in tooling and setup costs, but also limits the amount of innovation you can do. After 11 years, it's likely that most of the improvements in the performance of the car have already been added, and they're about at the limit of what they can do to continue improving the car. Thus newer model years end up being much like past ones and the line gets stale.
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euphronius posted:Just make Jeep cars at this point . Anything with Jeep badging that isn't a GC or Wrangle pretty much are already?
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Jan 18, 2017 16:16
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Throatwarbler posted:I wish people would understand that a "platform" is just a set of measurements and specs that fix the distance from the cowl to the front axle and a couple of other things for the purposes of setting up an automated production line. It's not a "thing" that get's worn out with age or however this analogy is supposed to work. There's nothing wrong with the Charger just because certain measurements in the car's unibody have not changed for a long time. I hear your nitpicking but doesn't the platform have a direct impact on driving/handling performance? My Acura MDX drives like a Honda Odyssey because it's based on the Honda Odyssey platform. The 300/Charger/Challenger all lumber around like a late 90's Mercedes S-Class because they're based on a late 90's Mercedes S-Class platform.
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Speaking of platforms, VW new car news has kind of been overshadowed by dieselgate these past few months, I just wanted to remind everyone that the the B7 Passat body stretched on top of an A6 running gear that they showcased is in production now.      Drivetrains are basically same as the Euro gas A6. 2.0T or 3.0Thupercharged with 7 speed DSG, air suspension is available.
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Jan 18, 2017 16:18
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Dodge apparently still sells the Journey and Durango. so that is 4 vehicles. Quite a lineup. Jounrey actually looks like a decent minivan replacement and I see tons of them. So probably has been canceled.
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Jan 18, 2017 16:20
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It could do with more chrome stick on lettering on the back IMO  It's at least more interesting than most things VW make.
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Jan 18, 2017 16:22
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TheWevel posted:I hear your nitpicking but doesn't the platform have a direct impact on driving/handling performance? It can, but so can a thousand other things. A car on the same platform doesn't need to have the same suspension or even the same suspension architecture. These are kind of separate unrelated issues. A Golf and an A3 are on the same platform and can be built on the same line but the Golf might have steel suspension control arms and the A3 might have aluminum ones, and the drive is going to be different. The carmaker saves money(kind of) by having 2 vehicles that can be made on the same line, so the could for example shift A3 production to any plant that also built Golfs, but their real savings would be using the same parts for both cars, and they don't always do that. The LX/Mercedes thing is a myth. The LX was based on the old LH and was already finalized when the merger happened, they went back and put in some MB parts that were shared with an older E-class, such as some suspension subframe parts and primarily the 5 speed MB RWD transmission replaced the originally planned Chrysler transmission but they are not on the same platform, the exercise was done so that they could have cost savings from sharing parts to justify the merger. Go read the section on Allpar. It's doubly dumb because there *are* actual MB/Chrysler shared platform cars, namely the M-class and Grand Cherokee/Durango, and the Crossfire/SLK which was pretty much a rebadge, not even platform sharing, but for some reason everyone is stuck on the LX.
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Deteriorata posted:No, but over time the constraints of that setup begin to tell. Changes in the basic design (or "platform" if you prefer) have cascading impacts on many other issues and limit what you can do. One of the primary "improvements" that they have been incorporating into new cars has been continually raising the cowl height until the windows are gunslits. Well it turns out the geniuses at Chrysler had anticipated this and the original 300C was already a pillbox on wheels when it came out in 2005 or whatever, so it was actually just the rest of the industry catching up to Chrysler for the last 15 years.  They actually had to reduce the cowl height on the last 300 refresh because people complained so much about visibility.
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Jan 18, 2017 16:35
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Hey, thanks for the lesson. I was genuinely curious about that.
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Jan 18, 2017 16:36
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The LX works but it's a pig. If nothing else knocking a couple hundred pounds out of the Charger, Challenger and 300 would be huge.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:02
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Soon every car and truck will be based upon one single global platform and we can argue about which one has more gotta have it factor.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:09
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The seats in that phideon look really comfy, and a place that my rear end needs to be. Shame they're in a VW.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:13
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You still can't discount materials improvements when it comes to platforms. The underlying platform was built to a specific strength with specific materials. As you develop different alloys and different manufacturing processes, it can drive design differences. An increases in strength due to a tweaked alloy may dictate a different underlying structure to take advantages of using less material. Use of an adhesive on parts rather than welding may increase rigidity. So, while a platform doesn't necessarily 'age', improvements in materials science and manufacturing process can make it less optimal over time. It's worthwhile going back to a clean slate every once and awhile so you can design something taking into account all advances from the get go.
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The whole "it is just an old X" is one of Jeramy Clarksons memes which should tell you how qualified a statement it is.
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Digital gauges own. That new mustang looks huge though
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What's with the drivers headrest on the VW?
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