NBA Playoffs 2016-17 G/V: The Playoffs Are A Band Metaphor Now

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Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Spacebump posted:

'You couldn�t name three people on the Sacramento Kings, and I led the league in assists' Rajon Rondo
That is not something a person who wants to be a coach in a few years should say. How many players from that Kings team are better than Rondo this year? Cousins, Gay, Seth Curry, Darren Collison, and maybe Ty Lawson. Am I missing anyone WhyteRyce?

I completely agree with this and think Rondo has a long way to go but

attackmole posted:

coaching requires self awareness rondo doesn't have

this is demonstrably false. Of course some of the greats are self-aware, but plenty of successful coaches live in freakin fantasy-land of self-importance and misplaced priorities.

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Hashtag Banterzone: Dec 8, 2005; Lifetime Winner of the willkill4food Honorary Bad Posting Award in PWM

What would Denver want for Nurkic? It would be nice to have a defense oriented center on Portland again.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:06

TheShazbot: Feb 20, 2011

Hashtag Banterzone posted:

What would Denver want for Nurkic? It would be nice to have a defense oriented center on Portland again.

Jake Layman and two 2017 firsts.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:08

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Like George Motherfucking Karl was a coach for years and years being an rear end in a top hat.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:09

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I don't really think the Nuggets can get bad enough to get a shot at a good pick if Gallo, Faried and Chandler are healthy.

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Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

Going to see the Celtics tonight. Hope you boys have a nice night.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:11

CRISPYBABY: Dec 15, 2007; by Reene

Dexo posted:

Wait, what? Are we talking the same profession that Coach K has? Are we talking the same profession that Tom Thibodeau currently partakes in? Jason Kidd? Doc Rivers?

I guess that's true. Most good coaches seem reasonably self aware though. And also have some kind of empathy for players?

Basically Rondo has the trademark personality of a coach that inspires a team mutiny.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:16

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

ATTN: R.D. Mangles

https://twitter.com/AdamJNBA/status/821818550130069505

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:18

Spacebump: Dec 24, 2003; Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Dexo posted:

Like George Motherfucking Karl was a coach for years and years being an rear end in a top hat.

In addition to his comment about naming three players from his last time, Rondo quit on a team the last time he was in the playoffs. Would he stop game planning and quit coaching a team if he got in a feud with the front office?

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:19

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Spacebump posted:

In addition to his comment about naming three players from his last time, Rondo quit on a team the last time he was in the playoffs. Would he stop game planning and quit coaching a team if he got in a feud with the front office?

So Scott Skiles? Also likely no. He might publically throw the front office under the bus and get fired. But the Rick Carlisle thing is just a clash of two personalities that don't work. It happens occasionally. Not gonna defend bailing on the team but unless you think Carlisle is just being an rear end in a top hat to someone he knows in Hoiberg(Fred was in Minn's FO while he was there), it's not likely he would have co-signed Rondo to Fred.

Also

attackmole posted:

I guess that's true. Most good coaches seem reasonably self aware though. And also have some kind of empathy for players?

Basically Rondo has the trademark personality of a coach that inspires a team mutiny.

Maybe not.

Rondo by all reports really good with the Bulls young players, and as a coach he wouldn't have to worry about his own stats and playstyle/limitations as a coach.

Some people flourish when forced to have more responsibility than they currently have.

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WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

Ben McLemore is really good and yall sleeping on him

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:37

Kibner: Oct 21, 2008; Acguy Supremacy

Intruder posted:

I'm really looking forward to everyone forgetting about this in the coming year

"Oh, so that's the name of the Suns' Gorilla mascot!"

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:38

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

Spacebump posted:

In addition to his comment about naming three players from his last time, Rondo quit on a team the last time he was in the playoffs. Would he stop game planning and quit coaching a team if he got in a feud with the front office?

I've never seen an 8 second violation on any level of basketball where there was no press of any kind, it was unreal

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:39

chunkles: Aug 14, 2005; i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

Hand Row posted:

Rockets will crush the Bucks. Bucks run an antiquated trapping defense that pressures mid range shots and leaves guys wide open for threes. Kidd is good at motivating and developing dudes but is awful at everything else.

Rockets are favored by -10, Anderson is still questionable, and it's the second night of a back to back. I could definitely see them losing.

Also try new Body Armor Harden Beard Sweat Flavor

# ? Jan 18, 2017 22:56

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

I'm officially on the Zubac hype train after one game of significant playing time.

chunkles posted:

Rockets are favored by -10, Anderson is still questionable, and it's the second night of a back to back. I could definitely see them losing.

Also try new Body Armor Harden Beard Sweat Flavor

Bucks seem like a mess lately but I haven't bothered to look as to why.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 23:02

chunkles: Aug 14, 2005; i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

Bush Did Outer Heaven posted:

cool Serbian olympics guy Milo� Teodosić said he's coming to the NBA. wish he would come to my team.

Teodosic is really good, I wonder who will sign him. I think the Spurs tried a couple years ago.

e: Now that I read what he said, he claimed he hasn't gotten any contract offers. hmmmmmmmmm

chunkles fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jan 18, 2017

# ? Jan 18, 2017 23:02

Brolander: Oct 20, 2008; i am but a vessel

So, Jokic is a great passer, but I'm not sure if the defense is there. Thoughts, thread?

# ? Jan 18, 2017 23:46

straight up brolic: Jan 31, 2007; After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

Brolander posted:

So, Jokic is a great passer, but I'm not sure if the defense is there. Thoughts, thread?

he's fine in like a Blake Griffin-y way. Long term future goals for that team is him at the five and them being top 10 offense, 15-25 tier D

# ? Jan 18, 2017 23:54

Bashez: Jul 19, 2004

Punkin Spunkin posted:

Kawhi update.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ5K2ly0LPM

That strip and fast break is such a carry. Kawhi, like a lot of superstars, carries way too much. That's going to get called in a playoff game and I'm going to lose my poo poo.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 00:01

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Rick posted:

I'm officially on the Zubac hype train after one game of significant playing time.

Don't be trying to steal my Basketball Son

# ? Jan 19, 2017 00:25

Punkin Spunkin: Jan 1, 2010

Bashez posted:

That strip and fast break is such a carry. Kawhi, like a lot of superstars, carries way too much. That's going to get called in a playoff game and I'm going to lose my poo poo.

When you've got a claw you're allowed to carry

# ? Jan 19, 2017 00:51

Halfling Wizard Bear: Oct 12, 2003; I have a competition in me. I want no one else to succeed. I hate most people.

ex post facho posted:

i asked for more jokic and boy did I get it!!

anyway, looking forward to some more sick point-center action in another meaningless Nuggets season where they'd be better off with a lottery pick

You're not as excited as I am to watch the Nuggets get pasted in the 1st round by GSW? Again?

edit: On the plus side even if they get smashed in the 1st round, if Jokic looks good they might be able to finally attract a free agent with some name recognition. They have wads of money to dump on pretty much anybody. I think Gallinari is the only meaningful expiring contract this year.

Halfling Wizard Bear fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jan 19, 2017

# ? Jan 19, 2017 00:55

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

Brolander posted:

So, Jokic is a great passer, but I'm not sure if the defense is there. Thoughts, thread?

He's good. He brings up the Nuggets +/-. His problem is early foul trouble, and also that everyone on his team sucks at defense.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 01:05

chunkles: Aug 14, 2005; i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

His PF rate is pretty solid for a 21 year old big man

# ? Jan 19, 2017 01:07

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

WhyteRyce posted:

Ben McLemore is really good and yall sleeping on him

This is what I tell myself as I sadly look at the McLemore jersey in the back of my closet.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 01:12

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

The Glumslinger posted:

Don't be trying to steal my Basketball Son

I won't, too busy nursing Ingram and Russell along in these trying times.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 01:45

chunkles: Aug 14, 2005; i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

edit: wrong thread.

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The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

I wrote a big effort post on reddit about how 90s and early 2000s basketball, basically how guys like Kobe and Iverson are still all-timers despite how ineffecient they were compared to the current NBA, but mainly it just shows off how much better then NBA is to watch these days

quote:

I feel like this is a lot like the recent question about Iverson vs Isaih Thomas. The 90s and early 2000s was a very different type of basketball from what is played nowadays. Court spacing PFs were rare, let alone spacing Centers. Games were played at a much lower pace, so players had less opportunities for transition baskets. Isolation was the main brand of basketball, so stars back then were expected to create shots by themselves and rarely through the motion of the offense. Pick and Rolls were rarer, and even then tended to be different from the where they get run nowadays. Shooters were worse in general (excluding the short 3pointer years). 15 years ago, 35% from deep was enough to be considered a 3pt specialist.

I also really want to emphasize how different the modern NBA is from the 90s and early 2000s. The 2004-05 Suns revolutionized the NBA with their fast paced style of play (as well as their use of screens and using the 3 point as a major focus of the offense). That year the Suns had a pace of 95.9; This year there are 17 teams that play at a faster pace than that. They scored 110 pgg that year, 7ppg more than the 2nd place team(Kings with 103ppg). This year, they would be 4th and the 2nd place Kings would be 19th in the league. In 04-05, teams averaged 15.8 3Pt attempts a game, now they shoot 26.8 a game. The Suns 3pt crazy offense took less 3s than league average this year (24.7 vs 26.8).

These number are even more jarring if you go back a few years, look at Iverson's MVP season. The Kings lead the NBA in PPG at 101.7 PPG, good for 23rd this year. The Kings 1st place pace of 94.7 would be 23rd this year. The starting guards on the 1st Team All NBA shot 41% and 42% from the field. The league averaged 13 3PTA a game, and 2 teams shot less than 10 a game.

Stars also played way more minutes back then, Zach Lavine leads the NBA in MPG at 37 mpg, playing under a coach who is notorious for overworking players and playing them too many minutes. In 00-01, that Lavine would be 38th in mpg. We all talk about how much those extra minutes burden players nowadays and leads them to be worse and less efficient, well back then, thats how everyone played their stars. Shaq, who notoriously came into camp extremely out of shape in 00-01, averaged 39.5 mpg.

It was a very different time

Not in there, but also FTA/G are near an alltime low, the last 6 seasons are the bottom 6 seasons in FTA/G

Also, Pace is no where near all-time highs, so don't worry about inflated stats, we are still 5 possession per game below the majority of the 80s, and 11 below the alltime high of the 73-74 season

The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jan 19, 2017

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Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

Good post CLF

The Glumslinger posted:

I wrote a big effort post on reddit about how 90s and early 2000s basketball, basically how guys like Kobe and Iverson are still all-timers despite how ineffecient they were compared to the current NBA, but mainly it just shows off how much better then NBA is to watch these days

Not in there, but also FTA/G are near an alltime low, the last 6 seasons are the bottom 6 seasons in FTA/G

Also, Pace is no where near all-time highs, so don't worry about inflated stats, we are still 5 possession per game below the majority of the 80s, and 11 below the alltime high of the 73-74 season

Another thing to mention is that Kobe and Iverson were really good at getting to the line (and Kobe kept doing it for a long time) which ultimately is a pretty darn efficient shot.

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Kibner: Oct 21, 2008; Acguy Supremacy

Good stuff. I remember looking at fouls and free throws last year and the trend since league inception has been for them to become fewer and fewer. Not sure how low it will go before it starts to stagnate.

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Fast Luck: Feb 2, 1988

It must be tough being a Toronto Raptors fan. They beat the teams they're supposed to beat, but they just can't get over the hump against top tier opponents.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 03:36

Lessail: Apr 1, 2011; tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again

p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

Go gently caress yourself Masai

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R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

There's only one thing an Eastern Conference GM can do to get to the finals and that's to acquire LeBron. Everything else is pointless.

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AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

I just checked up on the scores. Should I watch the raptors sixers game on league pass tomorrow? I wonder if I can sneak it in at work..

# ? Jan 19, 2017 03:42

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

R.D. Mangles posted:

There's only one thing an Eastern Conference GM can do to get to the finals and that's to acquire LeBron. Everything else is pointless.

That's a funny way to spell "Embiid".

# ? Jan 19, 2017 03:42

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Somewhere, Sam Hinkie sheds a single tear

https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/821909238456860676

# ? Jan 19, 2017 03:42

BWV: Feb 24, 2005

Raps were missing important players and their shooters went cold. That and their coach is a moron who still plays Demare Carroll and Joel Embiid is the greatest player in NBA history.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 03:43

Doltos: Dec 28, 2005; 🤌🤌🤌

Knicks beat the Celtics too. Maybe the East is... trash?

# ? Jan 19, 2017 03:50

Fast Luck: Feb 2, 1988

https://twitter.com/DerekBodnerNBA/status/821911920097759232
Keep in mind, he plays for the 76ers.

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aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Fast Luck posted:

https://twitter.com/DerekBodnerNBA/status/821911920097759232
Keep in mind, he plays for the 76ers.

The Sixers are over .500 since Christmas, including 6-3 with Embiid in the lineup (0-2 without him)

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