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You know what I really love about this episode? Mace is still a good guy. He wasn't doing anything nefarious, he "just wanted to help". Mace rules. That being said, YOU WERE SHOOTING HIM UP WITH THE HYDE FORMULA, WHAT THE gently caress TALBOT?!?
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Ensign_Ricky posted:You know what I really love about this episode? They took the bad stuff out!*  *most of it
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Jan 18, 2017 12:20
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Talbot is the best.
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Jan 18, 2017 12:48
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cant cook creole bream posted:Can you jog my memory? The incident with the mind-controlling inhuman child that May had to shoot, and from which she earned the Cavalry nickname
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Jan 18, 2017 13:31
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Ensign_Ricky posted:You know what I really love about this episode? Isn't that literally the comic book plot background for the character Mace is based on?
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Jan 18, 2017 15:25
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I am so glad that Mace just turned out to be a fraud rather than him being secretly the Hate Monger or something. I guess that explains why Nadir had something over him earlier in the season, she knew he was riding the Hyde Horse. AoS need to go to Asgard so Odin can give Jarnbjorn to Mac. Also, Fitz, what are you doing with the head???? Dude seriously, Simmons is out there for you, stop playing with it!
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twistedmentat posted:Also, Fitz, what are you doing with the head???? Dude seriously, Simmons is out there for you, stop playing with it! Fitz is setting up the stage for a fight between a good Fitz-Aida vs an evil Radcliffe-Aida The latter is turning into a violent maniac already anyway
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Alexeythegreat posted:Fitz is setting up the stage for a fight between a good Fitz-Aida vs an evil Radcliffe-Aida He keeps trying to subdue her and commands her not to kill people. It wont be long before she will attack him. This time for real.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:18
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Isn't that literally the comic book plot background for the character Mace is based on? Wasn't it a modified version of the super soldier serum though? But seriously, after what happened to Blonsky/Abomination, you'd think the military would stop injecting people with mysterious blue liquid.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:34
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I don't know exactly where they're going with Fitz's Aida but Radcliffe's Aida was definitely seeming like she was put out by Radcliffe's criticisms and disapproval. I still think there's a solid chance that the Darkholde did affect her which will lead her to eventually turning against Radcliffe and escalating things. Radcliffe will resort back to his "hey wait, I didn't want to kill anyone" role and Aida becomes the threat. And then I guess maybe Fitz's Aida is the key as she's presumably not affected by the Darkholde? Dunno. Ensign_Ricky posted:Wasn't it a modified version of the super soldier serum though? The Marvel universe is filled with heroes and villains who came about because ever since Captain America everyone and their brother has been trying to recreate the formula and it never works. Its just a recurring world theme, really, and as soon as it was determined that Mace wasn't an Inhuman it was inevitable that he was going to be a misguided US military experiment to create their own superhero. Whether they overtly say "Captain America" or not, it all comes back to "drat it, we had a super soldier and we blew it by picking some guy who questions chain of command."
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Jan 18, 2017 17:44
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STAC Goat posted:I don't know exactly where they're going with Fitz's Aida but Radcliffe's Aida was definitely seeming like she was put out by Radcliffe's criticisms and disapproval. I still think there's a solid chance that the Darkholde did affect her which will lead her to eventually turning against Radcliffe and escalating things. Radcliffe will resort back to his "hey wait, I didn't want to kill anyone" role and Aida becomes the threat. And then I guess maybe Fitz's Aida is the key as she's presumably not affected by the Darkholde? Dunno. Aida 2 never read the Darkhold though so how is she affected by it?
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Jan 18, 2017 17:52
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I assumed that Radcliffe's Aida was the original. Did I miss some dialogue that countered that? My assumption is that Fitz's Aida is unaffected by the Darkholde, which means all his efforts to find what's wrong with her will be for nought and ultimately she'll just be the happy orders taking Aida while Radcliffe's Aida is all questioning him and getting annoyed by his judgments and moral rules.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:56
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Aida was never effected by the Darkhold, it's just a machine doing what it was programmed to do. It's always been Radcliffe.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:03
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Like I said, I thought they were implying in this episode that Aida going homicidal, questioning Radcliffe, and seemingly ruffling at his talking down to her was setup for her eventually going on her own. But its just a vague theory and it could all be programming.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:06
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Rhyno posted:Aida 2 never read the Darkhold though so how is she affected by it? When they were making the Aida copy they just copy/pasted darkhold.pdf from her memory banks
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Jan 18, 2017 18:08
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STAC Goat posted:I assumed that Radcliffe's Aida was the original. Did I miss some dialogue that countered that? Aida 2 rsays the "original model" had the Darkhold in her hands or something.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:14
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Well, if I missed it I missed it. Although "original model" is probably less relevant than "the one that read the Darkholde." But its all just some random thought I had and not really worth a debate, because I can't back it up with anything but half thought theory. I'm fine with all being Radcliffe. I just thought Aida was getting pretty antsy with him.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:17
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There was a little too much focus put on Aida's misinterpreting of orders, the imperfections in her programming, and her seemingly-emotional reaction to Radcliff's dismissals and scolding of her for nothing to come of it.
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Yeah, that's all I'm saying. That plus the whole Darkholde thing being a total red herring seems a bit uncharacteristic for the show. But it all may be a lot of nothing.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:23
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I though the end was a little weird, Mace is no less capable of leading Shield than he was before they thought he was inhuman, or before they learned that he was getting his powers from a serum. Coulson was being pretty vindictive against someone who did nothing wrong, other than not telling people about a top secret project.
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Jan 18, 2017 18:36
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Well it did endanger their lives by withholding that secret, plus he's recently learned that Mace had been blackmailed by the Senator. But also the whole season has basically been about Caulson undermining Mace's authority because he deems Mace as unqualified for the tactics, and Mace in small ways proving that true. So the serum thing ends up just being the leverage Caulson has to push him out, but because Mace is a pretty standup guy he steps down meaning Caulson doesn't have to and Caulson keeps him in the role he's actually qualified for. The unspoken leverage Caulson now has over Mace and Talbot is that he can expose them publicly and cause a lot of trouble. Of course he probably wouldn't do that because it would not only undermine SHIELD but also cause problems with Inhuman relations. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Oasx posted:I though the end was a little weird, Mace is no less capable of leading Shield than he was before they thought he was inhuman, or before they learned that he was getting his powers from a serum. It was spelled out pretty explicitly that Mace's bureaucratic management style was anathema to a spy agency, and the guy clearly had no relevant experience. If Coulson were being vindictive, he would have let him resign in disgrace. As it is now, he's got a good job that makes use of his skill set as a politician and allows him to do some actual good.
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Reset Smith posted:Was the sniper bullet one of the special rounds from Luke Cage? Definitely seems the same, it made that same whirring/drilling sound prior to exploding.
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Jan 18, 2017 19:16
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I wondered that while I was watching. Its a pretty cool touch that they never have to actually address.
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Jan 18, 2017 19:22
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STAC Goat posted:I wondered that while I was watching. Its a pretty cool touch that they never have to actually address. Yeah, little nods are great. I also liked when Fury used one of Fitz's gadgets to escape in Winter Soldier.
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Oasx posted:I though the end was a little weird, Mace is no less capable of leading Shield than he was before they thought he was inhuman, or before they learned that he was getting his powers from a serum. I don't think Coulson was vindictive at all. He just put his foot down in that tactical decisions were his call, like they should have been. Otherwise he was accepting that Mace lied, but did it because he wanted to help. Mace wasn't looking to gain power or be selfish, he wants Inhumans to be treated well and this was an opportunity for that.
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hope and vaseline posted:Definitely seems the same, it made that same whirring/drilling sound prior to exploding. Marvel has apparently confirmed that yeah, it was a Judas round.
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STAC Goat posted:The Marvel universe is filled with heroes and villains who came about because ever since Captain America everyone and their brother has been trying to recreate the formula and it never works. Its just a recurring world theme, really, and as soon as it was determined that Mace wasn't an Inhuman it was inevitable that he was going to be a misguided US military experiment to create their own superhero. Whether they overtly say "Captain America" or not, it all comes back to "drat it, we had a super soldier and we blew it by picking some guy who questions chain of command." Codependent Poster posted:I don't think Coulson was vindictive at all. He just put his foot down in that tactical decisions were his call, like they should have been. Otherwise he was accepting that Mace lied, but did it because he wanted to help. Mace wasn't looking to gain power or be selfish, he wants Inhumans to be treated well and this was an opportunity for that. I DO hope they tell Daisy and the other SHIELD inhumans the score though. They'll figure it out eventually, and kinda deserve to know.
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Didn't Daisy and LMD May get told when they were going to rescue them? I think I remember one of them saying "Mace can hold them off until we get there" and then Fitz or Simmons saying "Well, about that..." Caulson, Mack, Fitz, and Simmons all know for sure and Daisy and LMD May presumably got told so either way it should be common knowledge with our cast and anyone who matters for the show. Although I guess someone needs to go let YoYo in on the gossip. But that's probably Mack's job. Plus if Caulson is calling the shots than the rest of SHIELD is probably going to have to be told something or else its a really sketchy game where Caulson's using Mace as a puppet to his own agents.
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Jan 18, 2017 22:35
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That's right, they did get told. If Daisy knows, Mack knows. If Daisy or Mack knows, Yoyo probably knows shortly thereafter.
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Reset Smith posted:Was the sniper bullet one of the special rounds from Luke Cage? Thats the first thing I thought
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OB_Juan posted:That's right, they did get told. If Daisy knows, Mack knows. If Daisy or Mack knows, Yoyo probably knows shortly thereafter. Well there's no doubt Mack knows since he was at ground zero with Mace and Caulson. So I think its academic. Anyone who matters to us knows or should be told from someone who knows. Although, I guess Radcliffe doesn't know and that could maybe sorta matter.
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A Team That Trusts Is A Team That Triumphs. 
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Rhyno posted:Aida 2 rsays the "original model" had the Darkhold in her hands or something. If it didn't affect her, she wouldn't be able to read it... right?
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Slashrat posted:The incident with the mind-controlling inhuman child that May had to shoot, and from which she earned the Cavalry nickname Why are you spoilering stuff that was covered two seasons ago?
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You know, as each episode passes I keep reevaluating how much of a diplomatic maelstrom all of this will be for the Inhuman royal family. And it is going to be absolutely beautiful 
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At the beginning of the season I did not like Mace. After last episode I started to like Mace. Now I really loving love Mace. There has not been a single human in this show who has said "god DAMMIT Inhumans are people, they should be treated like full citizens you morons" with more conviction. As far as I'm concerned, now that the cards are on the table, just keep a backup of Not Hyde Juice under the desk and juice up when you suit up. Hourman Patriot is just fine by me. 
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STAC Goat posted:Plus if Caulson is calling the shots than the rest of SHIELD is probably going to have to be told something or else its a really sketchy game where Caulson's using Mace as a puppet to his own agents. Daisy tells May that "Caulson's gathering everyone in the director's office", so it sounds like there is going to be a general announcement to top level staff at least.
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Codependent Poster posted:I don't think Coulson was vindictive at all. He just put his foot down in that tactical decisions were his call, like they should have been. Otherwise he was accepting that Mace lied, but did it because he wanted to help. Mace wasn't looking to gain power or be selfish, he wants Inhumans to be treated well and this was an opportunity for that. I wouldn't have minded it if Coulson and Mace agreed to split the tasks, so they each did what they were good at. But it just came across like Coulson was blackmailing Mace so Coulson could continue to do the fun job, but not have any actual responsibilities. In this situation Coulson is more the "bad guy" than Mace is.
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Oasx posted:I wouldn't have minded it if Coulson and Mace agreed to split the tasks, so they each did what they were good at. But it just came across like Coulson was blackmailing Mace so Coulson could continue to do the fun job, but not have any actual responsibilities. It's was specifically: You do PR and politics, which you're good at, (and I don't like), I'll do operations (which Coulson likes and is good at). Considering that Mace just got done telling a story about falling down photogenically during a crisis, and riding that to superpowers and leadership of SHIELD, it's not a terrible deal. He actually is good at PR and politics (announcing Quake was SHIELD on the spot, that debate), but bad at operations (p.much everything else he did). Realistically, the Son of Coul running the place with a quality PR machine is a good version of SHIELD.
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