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will_colorado posted:also Thome, Rolen, and Vizquel Thome will definitely get in though probably not first ballot, but IMO neither Rolen nor Vizquel get anywhere near.
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Omar's elite glove probably won't make up for the fact that he was a slightly below average hitter. But Ozzie Smith is in, so I suppose anything is possible. Also, not surprisingly, the unannounced votes trended away from Edgar 
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Question: why haven't the Rangers retired more numbers? They've played in Arlington for 45 years, surely they think more than two guys deserve the honor.
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iospace posted:Here's my question, why won't they vote for him? He's 2nd all time for saves, first to break 600, but is it the lack of a ring that's making it hard for him? He wasn't good enough. There are a lot of great starters that didn't get in, lot of great position players, and it should be a much higher standard for relief pitchers to get in. He's getting in way before Mussina, if Mussina even does end up getting in (although I think he's trending well). Being 2nd in a bullshit stat shouldn't count for a lot. ROCK THE HOUSE M.D. posted:The 5% rule is such bullshit. hosed over Jim Edmonds last year. GoutPatrol posted:Kenny Lofton too.
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Oh hey just noticed Schilling's totals took a big dive
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Who cares about saves? If Hoffman isn't good enough then you're inducting one more reliever into the Hall, ever. Is that how high your "higher standard" is?
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Intruder posted:Two Astros elected into the Hall in one year https://twitter.com/cardinals/status/552550478505340929
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I was just being cheeky, the fact that so many teams are doing this is hilarious
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Intruder posted:I was just being cheeky, the fact that so many teams are doing this is hilarious I know  but any chance to bust out that tweet is worth taking
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I don't find any issues with teams that had a HoFer play 1 season with them giving a tribute. As long as they don't act as if the guy was a major part of the team history, or something.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:If they weren't able to get 5% (Lofton got 3.2, Edmonds 2.6%, I can't find what Posada got), I don't like their chances of getting 75% in 10 years. Even the real slow movers who got in like Blyleven and now Raines started much higher, and Blyleven got in when they were doing 15 years and not 10. Who started with <10% and got in on the writers vote? I was reading the complaint more about the current glut of players because of the whole steroids deal, even guys who use all 10 of their votes have to leave off players they might have considered if there were space to. Posnanski left off Vlad this year and he absolutely loves him. There obviously aren't enough voters like that out there to actually get a guy like Posada into the hall and I don't think he deserves to go, but it does feel weird that he didn't stick around a few years.
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Intruder posted:Oh hey just noticed Schilling's totals took a big dive  
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Poque posted:I don't even know if I buy Rolen as an eventual HoFer, let alone first ballot I think he's borderline at best, particularly since he's first eligible at the same time as Chipper Jones which can only hurt him by comparison. Then again, his career stats look eerily similar to Ryne Sandberg sometimes. Second base versus third base and all, but still.
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Julio Cruz posted:If Hoffman isn't good enough then you're inducting one more reliever into the Hall, ever. Is that how high your "higher standard" is?
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Clearly he's going in as a Yankee.
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Julio Cruz posted:Clearly he's going in as a Yankee. Duh.
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Hoekie posted:Edgar 15% jump = giant
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kensei posted:Edgar has 2 years left and I think 2018 will be his year.
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Posada was an above average to good but not great player who played for really good teams. His highest career OPS/OPS+ came at age 35 (lol steroids). The only offensive category he ever led the league in was GIDP and defensively for the three times he led the league in putouts and twice in assists, he also allowed the most stolen bases against once and passed balls twice. Jorge Posada is in no world a HOFer and I'm glad he fell off the ballot.
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Chief McHeath posted:Posada was an above average to good but not great player who played for really good teams. Counter-point: eat poo poo
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Julio Cruz posted:If Hoffman isn't good enough then you're inducting one more reliever into the Hall, ever. Is that how high your "higher standard" is? bawfuls posted:There is an argument to be made for that, yes. Jonah Keri has made it recently. It boils down to the assertion that nearly all relief pitchers are essentially failed starters, and that very good starting pitchers could be excellent relief pitchers if they were to switch. And really, when we say reliever we really mean closer, the closer position hasn't existed for ~that~ long (so it can be a bit like the DH argument), they've made a few terrible choices already related to putting in relievers, and they're going to put in Rivera who played at basically the same time. They don't even always put in 2 third basemen per generation. At the same time I also don't buy him being that exceptional. Was he really anywhere close to Rivera? I'd say no. Very good argument he wasn't 2nd best, either. Was he better than Wagner? Flash Gordon? Let alone "ever", like there's never going to be a good closer again. My higher standard would be comparing him to SPs/position players who aren't getting in where I don't see how any critical man can justify him on their ballot. Rivera, you could actually see people taking him over a borderline starter.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Does Purge go in as a Ranger or a Marlin? Ranger and its not even that hard a decision IMO
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will_colorado posted:also Thome, Rolen, and Vizquel Thome, yes. Probably not the other 2.
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Arguably, the proper metric for evaluating closers on a career basis is WPA not WAR or Saves. In that context, Rivera really does stand head and shoulders above the field. Here is a list of all-time WPA leaders among relief pitchers Top 10: Mo - 55.75 Hoffman - 32.78 Gossage - 31.69 Nathan - 30.73 Billy Wagner - 28.40 Papelbon - 28.25 KRod - 27.03 Lee Smith - 24.36 Troy Percival - 22.34 (who?) Keith Loulke - 21.46 (who?) Eckersley doesn't show up on this filter because he spent time as a starter, but in his years as a closer his WPA total was 33.37. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Chief McHeath posted:Posada was an above average to good but not great player who played for really good teams. Posada played catcher for most of his 17 year career with an OPS+ of 121 and lead a loaded rear end Yankees team in WAR twice
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