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PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

ihatepants posted:

I also find it interesting that the age of consent in the Philippines is only 12 years.

Wait, what the gently caress? That's pretty loving disgusting, maybe that should be fixed before you start attacking pornhub.

# ? Jan 17, 2017 01:52

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# ? May 10, 2024 00:53

Pilsner: Nov 23, 2002

PT6A posted:

Wait, what the gently caress? That's pretty loving disgusting, maybe that should be fixed before you start attacking pornhub.

It's 13 in Japan, 14 in China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. Not optimal to say the least, but it's not outrageous compared to their neighboring countries. Also, according to Wikipedia, there is a law that states:

quote:

Article III, Section 5. Child Prostitution and Other Sexual Abuse .

Children, whether male or female, who for money, profit, or any other consideration or due to the coercion or influence of any adult, syndicate or group, indulge in sexual intercourse or lascivious conduct, are deemed to be children exploited in prostitution and other sexual abuse

My guess is that the 12 year age stems from old times where, just like in the Western World, families needed to start producing offspring extremely early for the sake of farm work and survival, and the age just hasn't been updated ever.

# ? Jan 17, 2017 09:44

Andrast: Apr 21, 2010

Pilsner posted:

It's 13 in Japan

That's a misleading figure. I'm pretty sure almost all prefectures in japan have a higher age of consent.

Andrast fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Jan 17, 2017

# ? Jan 17, 2017 10:41

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

http://www.rappler.com/nation/158663-manny-pacquiao-death-penalty-jesus-christ

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MANILA, Philippines � "Even Jesus Christ was sentenced to death by the government."

Senator Manny Pacquiao said this on Tuesday, January 17, as he strongly defended the need to reimpose the death penalty for drug cases.

The athlete-turned-pastor said both the Bible and the Constitution allow capital punishment, with the latter specifying only for "compelling reasons involving heinous crimes."

"(What is your basis to oppose it? Because of your religious beliefs or because of the Constitution? The Constitution allows the death penalty for heinous crimes.)" Pacquiao said in an interview with reporters.

"(And then with God, biblically, God allows governments to use capital punishment. Even Jesus Christ was sentenced to death because the government imposed the rule then.)" he added, referring to Pontius Pilate, the governor who ordered the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Pacquiao said one is not a good leader if he or she bases his or her decision on "conscience" alone.

"You are not a good leader if you are making decisions with your own conscience. (This is not about what you feel. You should not focus on your own interests but on the Filipino people)," he said.

As for the Bible commandment that prohibits killing people, Pacquiao said the rule only means that an individual cannot take the law into his or her own hands.

"Bible says, 'Thou shall not kill.' We are not talking individuals here, meaning (if you have sinned against me, I am not allowed to take the law into my own hands and kill you)," he said.

In his 1st privilege speech, the senator, citing Bible verses, had said God is for the death penalty.

"Are we greater than God because God is allowing death penalty in every nation and country?" he said in August 2016.

Restoring capital punishment for heinous crimes is a priority measure of President Rodrigo Duterte.

Duterte allies, who dominate the House of Representatives, are confident that the death penalty bill will be passed this year. Opposition congressmen, however, said they could rally at least 50 of their colleagues to speak out against the measure once the debate on the plenary floor begins.

In the Senate, the bill is likely to face an uphill battle, with many senators opposing it.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 03:58

SeANMcBAY: Jun 28, 2006; Look on the bright side.

That has to be the worst possible argument for the death penalty ever.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 04:12

Cirofren: Jun 13, 2005; Pillbug

The President of the Philippines, in a speech to business people on Saturday posted:

If I wanted to, and it will deteriorate into something really very virulent, I will declare martial law if I wanted to. No one will be able to stop me.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 04:37

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Funny you should mention that. It was reported on Jan 14:

http://www.rappler.com/nation/158376-duterte-declare-martial-law-want-to

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DAVAO CITY, Philippines (UPDATED) � President Rodrigo Duterte said that if the situation in the Philippines becomes "virulent," he will declare martial law if he "wants" to.

"(If I want to), and if it will deteriorate into something really very virulent, I will declare martial law if I want to. (No one can stop me)," said Duterte on Saturday, January 14, in Davao City.

He was speaking at the Davao City Chamber of Commerce and Industry Incorporated's installation of trustees and officers at the Marco Polo Hotel.

The President was not specific about the potentially "virulent" situation in the country, but before the statement, he was defending his war against drugs.

"(If it is needed, the other side will say), drugs, that's not enough, (then I see that), you know, there are about 4 million slaves in this country," he said.

Duterte gave assurances that, if he were to declare martial law, he would only do so with the best interest of citizens in mind.

"If I have to declare martial law, I will declare it, not because of invasion, insurrection, I will declare martial law to preserve my nation, period," he said.

[snip]

Duterte said if the drug problem calls for it, he would ignore the Supreme Court.

"(I don't care about the) Supreme Court because of the right to preserve one's life and my nation. My country transcends everything else, even the limitation," he said.

By the end of his speech, though Duterte admitted he could not interfere with the Supreme Court and Congress, if the situation calls for it, he would be capable of doing so.

"(I don't control the) judiciary because that is a different department. I am not supposed to intrude, that would be unconstitutional. And, (Of course, Congress, we can't hack it. But one day we will be able to, when the time comes, that's easy. No more 60-day limitation.)" he said.

Previously, Duterte said he sees "no need" to declare martial law, saying the state of national emergency due to lawless violence is enough.

He has also said declaring martial law would only burden innocent people.

There is video in the link - it's in "Taglish" but you can clearly hear him say the words "I will declare martial law if I want to" in plain English.

A day later, this was the Press Secretary's response:

http://www.rappler.com/nation/158444-media-misreported-duterte-martial-law-andanar

quote:

DAVAO CITY, Philippines (2nd UPDATE) � Malaca�ang blasted media for "misreporting" President Rodrigo Duterte's remarks about declaring martial law if he "wants to."

"The President has categorically said no to martial law. He even made a pronouncement saying that martial law did not improve the lives of Filipinos. We therefore decry the latest misreporting that the President will declare martial law simply 'if he wants to' or that 'no one can stop the President from declaring martial law,'" said Communications Secretary Martin Andanar in a statement on Sunday, January 15.

Andanar, himself a former journalist, called such reporting "irresponsible."

"Such headlines sow panic and confusion to many. We consider this kind of reportage as the height of journalistic irresponsibility," he said.

Andanar sought to clarify that Duterte was "clear" in saying he would only declare martial law "under the premise that the country has deteriorated into an utter state of rebellion and lawlessness."

However, in video recordings of his speech, Duterte said "insurrection" would not be his reason for declaring martial law.

Rather than be clear about his possible reasons, Duterte said he would declare martial law if the situation in the country becomes "virulent."

Andanar also said Duterte "recognizes" the limitations set by the 1987 Constitution in order to prevent abuse of martial law.

"As President, he recognizes the challenges and limitations set by our Constitution in declaring martial law but he would nonetheless act accordingly if it warrants the preservation of the nation," he said.

Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre II meanwhile added in a text to reporters on Sunday that the President was taken out of context.

"It was just an expression of anger from the President. He was exasperated by the continuous illegal drug operations in the country despite intensified efforts by the government," Aguirre said.

Aguirre added the remarks were "understandable." He urged the media and the public not to "make a fuss" about the remark, adding, "The public and the media should not be surprised and rather be already accustomed to this mindset of the President."

Duterte said on Saturday night: "(I don't care about the) Supreme Court because of the right to preserve one's life and my nation. My country transcends everything else, even the limitation."

The President also said, "(There'll be no more) 60 days, 60 days," referring to the requirement of the Constitution that martial law can only last 60 days unless Congress votes to extend it.

Three days after the President's statement, Chief Presidential Counsel Salvador Panelo offered his own clarification.

Panelo said in a statement on Tuesday, January 17, that Duterte's remarks are "but a dramatic and graphic representation of an exercise of a presidential power and duty imposed on him by the Constitution."

"It is not a threat or an advance announcement of an imminent exercise of an emergency power; rather, it is a warning to those who are bent on destroying the fabric of society that President Duterte will not watch in utter helplessness in its destruction," he said.

"It is also an assurance to the people that he will not equivocate in using a constitutional power to preserve the integrity and survival of the nation," Panelo added.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 04:52

Cirofren: Jun 13, 2005; Pillbug

I mean these words are incredibly irresponsible so I can see why he's so frustrated that people are recording or even paying attention to it.

Also lol @ "No one can stop me" "I don't care about the supreme court" being officially responded to with "don't make a fuss about this"

# ? Jan 18, 2017 05:04

Invisible Handjob: Apr 7, 2002; by FactsAreUseless

I feel bad for any of you that actually live in this place

# ? Jan 18, 2017 06:16

toasterwarrior: Nov 11, 2011

I've been applying to government jobs ever since my contract with another government agency expired six months ago, but apart from Philippine bureaucracy moving as quickly as a crippled snail at best, there's the whole "rear end in a top hat is about to declare martial law any second now" aspect to it.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 06:31

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Invisible Handjob posted:

I feel bad for any of you that actually live in this place

I think that the incoming inauguration of President Donald John Trump should provide some perspective as to why people were so, shall we say, desperate, to consider and discuss things like "can the CIA please coup Duterte?", or "can Obama just drone-strike Duterte?", or "why aren't you people rioting against Duterte yet?"

# ? Jan 18, 2017 07:23

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/01/18/17/duterte-to-priests-why-dont-you-try-shabu

quote:

President Rodrigo Duterte on Wednesday once again criticized the Catholic Church, saying members of the clergy do not seem to grasp the gravity of the country's drug menace.

In a speech in Nueva Ecija, Duterte decried the church�s criticism of his war on drugs, which has claimed over 3,000 lives.

Duterte, known for his exaggerated remarks, said priests should perhaps take the illegal drug methamphetamine (shabu) so they would understand what goes on in the mind of a drug addict.

"[I cannot understand the Church. They already know this. The parish priests already know how bad it is, and yet they say that ... it is extrajudicial killing]," Duterte said.

"[All of these drug addicts, you know, you people here, you know that when a person is clean off their rocker on drugs, they really put up a fight. So the priests should try crystal meth so that they will understand. I recommend one or two of the bishops. To them there is no meth, but wives they will allow]," he added, in jest.

Duterte again defended the rising number of people being killed in police operations.

The president stressed that drug suspects who are killed in legitimate police operations usually fight back, resulting in their deaths.

Police records show that over 2,000 have been killed in legitimate police operations, while another 4,000 deaths are considered as �deaths under investigation," the police term for vigilante killings. Only around 1,000 of deaths under investigation are deemed drug-related, according to police.

Duterte, a Roman Catholic just like 80 percent of Filipinos, again slammed the �hypocrisy� of the members of the clergy.

"[We're the same, they and I. Both myself and our priests in Davao, we have two, or even three wives each]," he said.

In his speech, Duterte said if God is mad at him, he can come down from heaven and help him solve the drug problem in the country.

�[If the Lord is angry at me, you are invited to come down, o Jesus Christ, and I will hand this over to the bishops],� he said, referring to his �narco-list� which contains the names of officials involved in the illegal drug trade.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 13:33

Owlbear Camus: Jan 3, 2013; Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?

gradenko_2000 posted:

I think that the incoming inauguration of President Donald John Trump should provide some perspective as to why people were so, shall we say, desperate, to consider and discuss things like "can the CIA please coup Duterte?", or "can Obama just drone-strike Duterte?", or "why aren't you people rioting against Duterte yet?"

"In a way, all of us has an El Guapo to face. For some, shyness might be their El Guapo. For others, a lack of education might be their El Guapo. For us, El Guapo is a big, dangerous man who wants to kill us. But as sure as my name is Lucky Day, the people of Santa Poco can conquer their own personal El Guapo, who also happens to be *the actual* El Guapo!"

IOW, yeah, LOL at both of our dumb nations for electing our local versions of President Wario.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 15:03

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/596237/news/nation/duterte-no-martial-law-but-it-could-be-done-quietly-if-needed

quote:

President Rodrigo Duterte on Wednesday said he agreed with the military assessment that there was no need to declare martial law, even as he raised the threat of Islamist terror groups on the Philippines.

Days after saying no one could stop him if he wanted to do so, Duterte also stressed that no one could keep him from imposing military rule if need be, adding that he would so quietly.

"I will not declare martial law. [If I were ever to declare it, I would not make any noise about it. And if anyone asked what is the basis for it, gently caress you, you don't have a right to ask me that. Shut up]," Duterte said to applause in Cabanatuan City.

Duterte questioned the wisdom of having to take up the validity of a martial law declaration with Congress or the Supreme Court.

"[It's like this. What kind of a drat-fool President would declare Martial Law and approach the Supreme Court for permission? Or Congress? As far as I am concerned,] it is not found in the Constitution," Duterte said.

"It is not written there but if I feel as President that I have to preserve my country, I will declare martial law, [if only for the sake of peace and order]," he added.

An Armed Forces of the Philippines spokesman earlier this week said that it saw no need to recommend the President's declaration of martial law.

Duterte agreed but adverted to developments regarding ISIS.

"[For now, the military is right.] There is no compelling reason [to declare Martial Law]. But I will just fill you in the days to come. It's ISIS is coming in very fast. [This] Mindanao is a pure case of rising nationalism," Duterte said.

"Ngayon, [it's a different story] because the ISIS contaminated Mindanao," he added.

Duterte then turned his attention to media reporting on his pronouncements.

"[The problem with the media is that they're not listening. The only thing they hear is 'martial law'. I am not stupid. I am more bright than they are. You know, to tell you the truth, if they were brighter than me, they would be the ones up here with the mic]," Duterte said.

"[But me, I'm bright.] And besides it's a God-given not even gift but it's a God-given task and I won't do it for a flimsy reason," he added.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 15:16

Ytlaya: Nov 13, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

I think that the incoming inauguration of President Donald John Trump should provide some perspective as to why people were so, shall we say, desperate, to consider and discuss things like "can the CIA please coup Duterte?", or "can Obama just drone-strike Duterte?", or "why aren't you people rioting against Duterte yet?"

We should do an international exchange where the Philippines coups Trump and we coup Duterte in return.

# ? Jan 18, 2017 23:04

webmeister: Jan 31, 2007; The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

gradenko_2000 posted:

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/596237/news/nation/duterte-no-martial-law-but-it-could-be-done-quietly-if-needed

He's going to be dictator for the next 25 years, isn't he :sigh:

# ? Jan 19, 2017 00:05

BarbarianElephant: Feb 12, 2015; The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

webmeister posted:

He's going to be dictator for the next 25 years, isn't he

Would be surprised if not. He's so "classic dictator" it feels like he dropped through a time warp from the 70s.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 00:26

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

webmeister posted:

He's going to be dictator for the next 25 years, isn't he

He's 71, so probably not. It's so bizarre that ancient guys are the new strongmen.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 03:57

Cirofren: Jun 13, 2005; Pillbug

quote:

The president stressed that drug suspects who are killed in legitimate police operations usually fight back, resulting in their deaths.

This fits very nicely with him claiming to have killed people for resisting, suggesting that officers should just plant guns on drug dealers after they shoot them, etc.

I saw another article earlier this week (from August last year) claiming the police are taking out contract hits on drug dealers for a hundo per kill.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37172002

Then again why make a fuss about it, or anything, after all "If anyone asked what is the basis for it, gently caress you, you don't have a right to ask me that. Shut up" said THE PRESIDENT to APPLAUSE.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 04:24

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Sinteres posted:

He's 71, so probably not. It's so bizarre that ancient guys are the new strongmen.

They were the old strongmen too, just young enough then to be able to wait until everyone got complacent before making their move.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 04:26

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

webmeister posted:

He's going to be dictator for the next 25 years, isn't he

I would be surprised if Duterte lives to 96.

BarbarianElephant posted:

Would be surprised if not. He's so "classic dictator" it feels like he dropped through a time warp from the 70s.

Background:

Rodrigo Duterte's father, one Vicente Duterte, was Governor of Davao from 1959 to 1965. He later became a cabinet member under Ferdinand Marcos in 1965, until his death in 1968 (he did not live to see Martial Law, which was declared in 1972). Rodrigo Duterte bragged that his father was one of the few people who stood by Marcos after the bitterness of Marcos left the Liberal Party to join the Nacionalista Party. Those are the roots by which we can see the link between Duterte and the Marcos clan.

Rodrigo Duterte himself was appointed to be Officer-in-Charge / Vice-Mayor of Davao City by President Corazon Aquino* after the People Power Revolution in 1986.

In 1988, he ran for Mayor of Davao City, and won. He served as Mayor for three consecutive terms, until 1998.

By 1998, he was term-limited, so he instead ran for Congress and won. He served as a Representative of Davao's 1st District from 1998 to 2001. Meanwhile, it was one Benjamin De Guzman, previously the Vice Mayor of Davao, that held the Mayoralty. Duterte's record as a Congressman indicates that he was largely absent, and he himself has said that he was largely uninterested in the post.

After 2001, having shed the term limits, he ran for Mayor again, beating De Guzman, and was Mayor for another three consecutive terms, until 2010.

Having become term-limited again, he ran for Vice Mayor, and won. His daughter, Sara Duterte, was Mayor from 2010 to 2013

In 2013, having shed the term limits again, he ran for Mayor again, and won. His Vice Mayor from 2013 to 2016 was his son, Paolo Duterte.

In 2016, of course he ran for President. Sara Duterte ran for Mayor of Davao, and won. Paolo Duterte is now on his second term as Davao's Vice Mayor.

It's in this context that you sort of get a picture for why perhaps Duterte acts in the way he does: he's never really had to deal with a legislature nor a judiciary before. He's been a virtual despot of Davao City for about 30 years, and what he says, goes. Even in cases where he's had to deal with local judges, he's bragged about intimidating them to get what he wants.

So it is, shall we say, understandable that he constantly lashes out against Congress and the Supreme Court as he realizes the limits of Executive power. He then continually extols the virtues and the need for Martial Law not only as a cornerstone of fascistic principles, but also probably because as a person, he grew up in the belief that Marcos was cool and good and that Martial Law was a useful tool.

* To digress further: Cory Aquino had to make a lot of these "appointments" to rebuild the civil service and the bureaucracy in the wake of toppling Ferdinand Marcos. The repercussions are that they end up getting firmly entrenched as dynasties and warlords. For example, the Maguindanao Massacre was perpetrated by the Ampatuan clan, who refused to allow another family, the Mangudadatus, to file a candidacy to challenge their governorship of the region. But the Ampatuans began their hold on Maguindanao local politics in the first place because, like Duterte, they were appointed to be an OIC for the region by Aquino in 1986.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 04:28

moonraker: Oct 29, 2015

Invisible Handjob posted:

Every Filipino I know in the US loves this guy, none of them are very bright though.

Thats my experiance as well here in the UK they seem to approve of him and his methods and results , except the ones i have known have been smart hard working people doing a great job in are health care service

# ? Jan 19, 2017 04:47

ManlyGrunting: May 29, 2014

Sinteres posted:

He's 71, so probably not. It's so bizarre that ancient guys are the new strongmen.

Right? What the hell made fascism the domain of the old?

# ? Jan 19, 2017 05:57

webmeister: Jan 31, 2007; The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Wow I had no idea he was 71, he looks mid-fifties to me :psyduck:

# ? Jan 19, 2017 06:30

Argue: Sep 29, 2005; I represent the Philippines

https://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet/status/821989510028218368

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# ? Jan 19, 2017 09:33

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Argue posted:

https://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet/status/821989510028218368

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Curious. That's the second time he's used that expression/train of thought. In his "I will declare martial law if I want to" speech of Jan 14, he said:

quote:

"Pagka mayroong kailangan, sabihin ng kabila (If it is needed, the other side will say), drugs, that's not enough, tapos nakikita ko na (then I see that), you know, there are about 4 million slaves in this country," he said.

EDIT:

https://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet/status/821985654963769344

Translation: I don't want to read the speech. There's no 'motherfucker' [putangina] written here

gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 10:14 on Jan 19, 2017

# ? Jan 19, 2017 09:37

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

Argue posted:

https://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet/status/821989510028218368

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I'm always mildly annoyed by these kinds of reports because it's plainly trying to put the leader's quotes into a context they never intended, in order to appeal to an American or European audience, like all those quotes about Ghandi saying something about Hitler once proving that Ghandi was a literal advocate of national socialism. What does African slavery mean to the Filipino "street"? Certainly not the same thing it does in Birmingham, AL.

Of course this is Duterte so I imagine tomorow's tweet will be "Nope, that's literally what I meant. Civil War was definitely about states' rights and Jeff Davis was an all right guy. Happy Robert E. Lee Day Kabayans".

# ? Jan 19, 2017 15:58

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

The full/exact quote is:

http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/news/01/19/17/duterte-drug-addicts-are-worse-than-slaves

quote:

Ang kawawa nito, actually they are slaves. Mabuti pa ang slave, kasi kung mabili mo sa African market, magamit mo pa sa trabaho mo. Ito, they are slaves eternally to a chemical sponsored by a criminal, his pockets full of money at the expense of the Filipino

Translation:

The poor/pitiful ones here, actually they are slaves. At least with a slave, if you buy them from an African market, you can still use their labor. Them [referring to drug addicts], they are slaves eternally to a chemical sponsored by a criminal, his pockets full of money at the expense of the Filipino

# ? Jan 19, 2017 16:04

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die; Nap Ghost

Pinoy pride!

# ? Jan 19, 2017 16:29

Argue: Sep 29, 2005; I represent the Philippines

Throatwarbler posted:

I'm always mildly annoyed by these kinds of reports because it's plainly trying to put the leader's quotes into a context they never intended, in order to appeal to an American or European audience, like all those quotes about Ghandi saying something about Hitler once proving that Ghandi was a literal advocate of national socialism. What does African slavery mean to the Filipino "street"? Certainly not the same thing it does in Birmingham, AL.

Of course this is Duterte so I imagine tomorow's tweet will be "Nope, that's literally what I meant. Civil War was definitely about states' rights and Jeff Davis was an all right guy. Happy Robert E. Lee Day Kabayans".

I am very wary of the Philippine Daily Inquirer so I did my due diligence before posting it and checked the context and there was no interpretation of it I could fathom that would possibly put that statement in a favorable light.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 16:52

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

gradenko_2000 posted:

The full/exact quote is:

http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/news/01/19/17/duterte-drug-addicts-are-worse-than-slaves

Not getting any better.

# ? Jan 19, 2017 16:53

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Here's a story:

On Jan 18, Senator Antonio Trillanes filed a Resolution for the Senate to launch a probe into, simply put, fake news and social media trolls.

On Jan 19, Senator Francis "Kiko" Pangilinan filed a different Resolution, this time for the Senate to look into penalizing Facebook for allowing the propagation of fake news, citing inspiration from similar efforts by the German government.

Later that day, Facebook released a statement in response.

quote:

�We take misinformation seriously. Our goal is to connect people with the stories they find most meaningful, and we know people want accurate information,� Facebook said in a statement via email.

Pangilinan's Resolution prompted a response from one Sass Rogando Sasot, a blogger who has gained a following as a staunch pro-Duterte advocate:

This caused a tempest in a teapot on Twitter as people tried to point out the badly flawed logic. "Magkaiba yan" translates to "These are different"

(I really just wanted to highlight how hosed up it is to try and "defend" fake news)

# ? Jan 20, 2017 04:00

chird: Sep 26, 2004

Watching America trying to get their head around the first confusing press conferences from THEIR new Dear Leader's administration is some deja vu poo poo right there.

# ? Jan 22, 2017 07:40

toasterwarrior: Nov 11, 2011

At least Spicer's just a mouthpiece for Trump. Andanar directly contradicts whatever the hell Duterte says for "plausible deniability".

# ? Jan 22, 2017 09:10

Dr Kool-AIDS: Mar 26, 2004

toasterwarrior posted:

At least Spicer's just a mouthpiece for Trump. Andanar directly contradicts whatever the hell Duterte says for "plausible deniability".

That's the Kellyanne Conway role here.

# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:29

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

http://pcij.org/stories/korean-cremated-as-jose-ruamar-salvador-filipino/

quote:

THE KIDNAP-SLAY OF JEE ICK JOO
Korean cremated as �Jose Ruamar Salvador, Filipino�

by Nancy C. Carvajal and Davinci S. Maru

TUESDAY, JANUARY 24TH, 2017

HE had been living in the Philippines for the last eight years, but South Korean national Jee Ick Joo did not seem to have any intentions of changing his citizenship � at least not yet.

But when the 53-year-old businessman�s body was brought to a Caloocan City crematorium last Oct. 19, his death certificate not only identified him as Filipino, it also said his name was Jose Ruamar Salvador, of Champaca St., Sta. Quiteria, Caloocan City.

Jee, who had a wife and teenage daughter, was abducted from his home in Angeles City, Pampanga on Oct. 18, along with the family helper. He was apparently killed just hours later.

According to a staff member of the St. Nathaniel Crematory in La Loma, Caloocan City, the remains of the man who would turn out to be Jee was brought there the next day and cremated at 11:00 in the morning.

An employee of Gream Funeral Services in Bagbaguin, Caloocan City had identified herself as the representative of the dead man�s family and made the reservation for the cremation two hours earlier, said the St. Nathaniel staff. It was also the same Gream employee who signed all the papers required for the cremation, the staff said.

Death cert forged?

�We had no idea they were not related,� said the crematorium personnel, referring to the Gream employee and Jee. �The assistant even looked distraught when they arrived at our office to submit the documents for the cremation of the body.�

The crematorium staff said they learned that �Jose Ruamar Salvador� was actually Jee only last Jan. 18, when agents from the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) paid a visit to St. Nathaniel.

According to the St. Nathaniel personnel, two people from Gream had gone to their office to submit the man�s death certificate, a health permit from city hall, and authorization to cremate the remains.

For the required identification card of a family member, the Gream employee whom the crematorium staff kept referring to as �the assistant� submitted her own ID. False information had been enrolled about the identity of the remains in the evidently fake death certificate.

Cause of death?

The St. Nathaniel personnel said that the death certificate contained the time and cause of death, but declined to disclose the details. The staff also said it was only the second time that St. Nathaniel had dealt with Gream, which is some 30 minutes away by car from the crematorium.

The urn containing the ashes of the deceased was released to the assistant, the crematorium personnel said. PNP chief Ronald �Bato� de la Rosa would later tell the media that a Gream employee had supposedly panicked and flushed the ashes down the toilet.

The crematorium staff said they have provided the NBI all the documents submitted to them for Jee�s cremation. They also told PCIJ that a close-circuit television camera captures all the activities in the crematorium chamber and in St. Nathaniel�s offices.

Who is �Penny�?

The St. Nathaniel�s staff said she saw the Gream assistant again at the NBI, where they had gone on Jan. 18 (after the NBI�s visit to the crematorium) to give their judicial affidavit on the events surrounding the cremation of Jee. By then, the Gream assistant was answering to the name �Penny.� According to the crematorium employee, she asked Penny, �Bakit ninyo naman kami dinamay dito (Why did you get us into this)?�

Penny is apparently an assistant to Gream�s owner, Gerardo Santiago, a former policeman who was assigned to the Northern Police District. Senior Police Officer 3 Ricky Sta. Isabel, one of the prime suspects in the Jee kidnap-slay, was once deployed to the same police district.

Penny and four other employees of the funeral parlor are now under the custody of the NBI. An NBI insider said that the five Gream personnel �could identify the people who brought the victim�s body to them and ordered a cremation.� The NBI insider added that apparently, policemen brought Jee�s body to Gream at around 10:00 to 11:00 in the evening of Oct. 18.

The insider also said that the Anti-Illegal Drugs Group members who were on duty when Jee was supposedly brought to the compound of the anti-narcotics group have been summoned by the NBI as part of its ongoing investigation on the Jee case. Penny and the four other Gream personnel may be put under the Witness Protection Program, said the NBI source. � PCIJ, January 2017

# ? Jan 24, 2017 06:16

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

http://beta.philstar.com/headlines/2017/01/24/1665017/trump-gago-me-rody

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MANILA, Philippines - He�s a billionaire with a gorgeous wife, who can get away with his bad mouth, and now he�s president of the United States: it must be heaven to be Donald Trump, according to President Duterte. But at least he sees something in common with Trump: they�re both �gago.�

The Filipino word normally carries a negative connotation, but it can be used positively, which appears to be what Duterte meant. A possible close translation is �badass.�

�Billionaire. [His wife is a real beauty. I envy him. If you become a billionaire, you can run your mouth like that ... but your wife is still that gorgeous. And then you become President, with a wife like that, it must be like heaven],� Duterte said at Camp Crame last Sunday.

�[That's what he has over me],� he added.

The President was referring to US First Lady Melania Trump, a former Slovenian-American model and the third wife of Trump.

Duterte, nevertheless, believes he has a lot of similarities with Trump, who assumed the US presidency last Friday.

�Look at his inaugural speech. He will stop drugs. Gago din! [He's also a "badass"!] We�re not different. He will really kill you,� Duterte said.

�[You know that Trump, don't underestimate him. He's not stupid. He wouldn't have become a billionaire if he was stupid],� he added.

Duterte has been compared to Trump because both of them are fond of hyperbole and are known for their inflammatory and provocative statements.

Presidential Communications Secretary Martin Andanar, who attended Trump�s inauguration, said Trump�s protectionist stance is similar to Duterte�s independent foreign policy.

�He mentioned that they will not impose their lifestyle on other nations, but then what they will do is prove to the world that they have a good way of running their government for the rest of the world to follow�They will let them be, that�s important. The President of the United States believes in protectionism, America first,� Andanar told television station PTV 4 last Saturday.

�The policies of President Donald Trump and President Duterte are similar in that respect. We have an independent foreign policy, and that the President of the Philippines also subscribes to the fact that it is important that we serve the interests of the Filipinos first,� he added.

Andanar said it was �very comforting� to listen to Trump�s 16-minute inaugural address, which highlighted the need for empowering the �forgotten men and women� of the US.

�And maybe if you go by it, it looks like our President and President Donald Trump would really get along together. President Duterte mentioned this when they talked for the first time last December,� he said.

Aside from Andanar, National Security Adviser Hermogenes Esperon Jr. also attended Trump�s inauguration.

President Duterte riled at the US, including its then president Barack Obama, for calling his attention to reports of rising cases of summary executions in the conduct of the Philippine leader�s war on drugs. Duterte took the criticism as interference and declared that the Philippines would veer away from the US.

More than 6,000 people have been killed since July when Duterte assumed office.

# ? Jan 24, 2017 08:25

Grouchio: Aug 31, 2014

The only thing that will save the Philippines, I'm guessing, at this point, is if Trump starts his trade war with China and everything around Duterte collapses in it's wake.

# ? Jan 24, 2017 12:07

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Grouchio posted:

The only thing that will save the Philippines, I'm guessing, at this point, is if Trump starts his trade war with China and everything around Duterte collapses in it's wake.

You've got Duterte wanting to cozy up to China, and signing military pacts with Russia, but he's also starting to have a growing admiration for Trump as birds of a feather. He was probably launching tirades against the US under Obama in anticipation of a Clinton win.

But then you've got Trump who's ostensibly going to go soft on Russia, but hates China (but will he do anything about it?), and with a SecState that wants the oil under the Spratlys.

Certainly it'd be a more fascinating show to watch if I didn't have front-row seats to a two/three-way regional conflict over my country.

# ? Jan 24, 2017 14:04

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# ? May 10, 2024 00:53

Takoluka: Jun 26, 2009; Don't look at me!

How does someone so openly commit these heinous acts and get away with it? I mean, I'm sure we're not going to do anything about it, because AMERICA FIRST, but is there NOTHING that can be done by anyone to stop something like international citizen murder and cover-up, where the ashes don't even get to come back to the family?

# ? Jan 24, 2017 14:24

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