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drrockso20 posted:Honestly that describes most 80's cartoons(and probably some from the 70's and early 90's as well) I'll say this about the G1 cartoon and G.I. Joe: watching them it seems like the writers were at least having a good time. Some of the episodes, like "The Face of Nijika", "Sea Change", "City of Steel" and so on are just plain bizzare. "Carnage in C-Minor" is like a poorly animated acid trip.
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Gammatron 64 posted:The Transformers meeting space prostitutes. Wow. Never forget the episode where galvatron catches octane watching porn while on a mission and enacts a particularly harsh IT policy.
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The_Doctor posted:As if by magic... Bay gives you the new Jar Jar Binks. Hey it's a rusty blue T-Bob from M.A.S.K.
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The_Doctor posted:As if by magic... Bay gives you the new Jar Jar Binks. Any word on who's the voice actor yet? Please tell me we aren't getting another thing that can't talk like Bumblebee.  HEY! HAPPY 1,000 PAGES EVERYONE!
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Bad days are meant for new plastic distractions. Star Saber waits for me at home.
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Jan 18, 2017 00:35
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I never knew Bob Budiansky actually named the transformers, I'm surprised he doesn't have more love for his own creations.
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Marmaduke! posted:I never knew Bob Budiansky actually named the transformers, I'm surprised he doesn't have more love for his own creations.
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Jan 18, 2017 19:33
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I can't imagine that the fans constantly giving him poo poo and crediting most of the influential and good stuff to the guy who replaced him really helps, either
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Jan 18, 2017 19:39
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TFRazorsaw posted:I can't imagine that the fans constantly giving him poo poo and crediting most of the influential and good stuff to the guy who replaced him really helps, either Nah, it's not like Simon Furman's comics were that influential, either. Simon Furman took over the comic when the franchise was on life support in the late 80's/early 90's. The G1 Cartoon and '86 movie are remembered by a lot more people. Kinda like how yeah, the TMNT comics came out first, but kids just remember the cartoon & toys very loosely based off those original comics.
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Jan 18, 2017 19:50
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Gammatron 64 posted:Nah, it's not like Simon Furman's comics were that influential, either. Simon Furman took over the comic when the franchise was on life support in the late 80's/early 90's. Furman's work single handedly eclipsed all other depictions of the Transformers' origins and introduced Primus and the currently used origin for Unicron. Notice no media uses the Quintesson origin anymore But it's in comparison to Budiansky's work that people treat Furman as more important and influential. That's what I meant, primarily.
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Jan 18, 2017 20:30
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The IDW run has been lightly sprinkled with references to the Q's. And aren't they rumored to be in TF5?
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Jan 18, 2017 20:33
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Rhyno posted:The IDW run has been lightly sprinkled with references to the Q's. And aren't they rumored to be in TF5? quote:If you’re introducing a new villain, is Galvatron/Megatron still around? Does he play any role in this?
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Fatigue with the Primus/Unicron/Thirteen mythology has led to a resurgence in interest in alternate origins, and the Quintesson origin was always the most subversive take, so I fully anticipate a deligtfulluy misanthropic and loathsome Quintesson origin in TF5. "Alpha Q" jokes virtually guaranteed! TF vs Joe also had a great use of the Quintessons.
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Rhyno posted:The IDW run has been lightly sprinkled with references to the Q's. And aren't they rumored to be in TF5? The Quintessons were around in Marvel too. I'm talking about the idea that they created the Transformers. If they are the creators in TF5, this'll be the first story that's used that origin in over 30 years.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:21
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TFRazorsaw posted:The Quintessons were around in Marvel too. I'm talking about the idea that they created the Transformers. Nope. TF vs. Joe had the Quintessons create THE UNIVERSE.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:23
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TF vs. Joe subverts a lot about what most people expect about both brands. But I'd forgotten that. Nevertheless. The Primus-Unicron myth has been what a majority of publications followed. Multiple writers even tried to retcon it into the G1 cartoon continuity by having the Quints "hijack" Primus's design.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:24
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TFRazorsaw posted:Furman's work single handedly eclipsed all other depictions of the Transformers' origins and introduced Primus and the currently used origin for Unicron. Funny, I was almost going to mention the Primus \ Unicron stuff as some of the only things to come out of the comics, but I didn't bother. I'm getting really sick of that stuff anyway and all the "woaaahhh mystical artifacts and robo-magic!" whatever When I say the comics aren't hugely influential, it's because they're not. When you ask general audiences who aren't hardcore fans about Transformers, they'll remember G1, the Bay movies, and to some degree, Beast Wars. I'm not talking about quality here either, that's irrelevant. I'm talking about what people are actually aware of. The average Joe will know who Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave and Grimlock are, but if you start talking about folks like Thunderwing, Bludgeon, Nightbeat and so on they'll be like "who?"
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Jan 18, 2017 21:46
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You're taking the wrong thing from what I'm saying. I'm talking about the things done by different authors in the comics in relation to one another. I'm not talking about what was the most important stuff to the brand overall. Furman gets better treatment from the fans than Bob does, and his material is referenced more by the brand at large. Or at least, that's what the case used to be. This wasn't meant to compare the cartoon to the comic, I'm talking about how Furman was treated in comparison to Budiansky. Saying the cartoon was more well known is a diversion from the core point. That being said, it's naive to think some aspects of the comics haven't eclipsed stuff from the cartoon. Primus and Unicron are a clear example.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:51
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I snagged a Stormshot last night a Meijer and he's neat other than non symmetrical weapons. Retail therapy is good.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:56
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TFRazorsaw posted:You're taking the wrong thing from what I'm saying. I'm talking about the things done by different authors in the comics in relation to one another. I'm not talking about what was the most important stuff to the brand overall. Furman gets better treatment from the fans than Bob does, and his material is referenced more by the brand at large. Or at least, that's what the case used to be. Also comic Shockwave. Budiansky's comics really do suck, though. Like hey, I realize the guy was going through a rough time and didn't enjoy making the book, but that makes for a comic that isn't terribly enjoyable to read, either. I think I recall him saying he was kinda annoyed by the cartoon guys moreso than Furman as they took the stuff he invented and got more credit for it.
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Jan 18, 2017 21:58
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I got me a Gnaw and he's a perfect little madball.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Also comic Shockwave. I think Budiansky's comics are more raw and formative and that makes them fun to read. And the arc with Straxus and Scrounge is very memorable. I mean, yeah - there are parts that are pretty naff and blatantly "introduce all these toys", but Furman had that too. That reminds me of another thing that goes into what I was talking about. I've met people who think Straxus was created by Furman.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I think Budiansky's comics are more raw and formative and that makes them fun to read. And the arc with Straxus and Scrounge is very memorable. I mean, yeah - there are parts that are pretty naff and blatantly "introduce all these toys", but Furman had that too. That's understandable because Straxus was a throwaway character who was only in 2 issues of the US comic and showed up in the British stuff way more. Hell, the vast majority of characters in the G1 comic were throwaway characters, which is kind of a major issue I was getting at a few pages back.
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The vast majority of Transformers characters are throwaway. But somehow they end up memorable in people's eyes because they were there first, like all the Seekers not named Starscream. But I'd argue the first story with Blaster and Scrounge are what people talk about most when they refer back to Straxus. And he was memorable enough to get made into a Generations toy and incorporated into Japanese continuity.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I've met people who think Straxus was created by Furman. The nerve of some people.
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Well I don't think it makes people a bad person or anything. I'm just saying, it goes into what I was saying about how people see Budiansky and Furman.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Well I don't think it makes people a bad person or anything. I'm just saying, it goes into what I was saying about how people see Budiansky and Furman. Honestly, I don't really believe there are good or bad people. Only Autobots and Decepticons.
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Jan 18, 2017 22:29
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Man I sure wish I could find Transformers like Gnaw and Scattershot at Meijer instead of Alpha Trion and Astrotrain. The shelves are still bare!
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Gammatron 64 posted:Honestly, I don't really believe there are good or bad people. Hey! Don't erase NAILS, neutrals, Mini-Cons, Maximals, and Predacons like that! Other factions are people too. Well. Except for Vehicons.
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pubic works project posted:Man I sure wish I could find Transformers like Gnaw and Scattershot at Meijer instead of Alpha Trion and Astrotrain. The shelves are still bare! I saw white Drift at the Meijer by work so I knew the case had hit stores. Stopped at the one on the way home and they had a fresh case out.
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Honestly Furman wasn't good at all either, but that describes 99% of all writers we've had on Transformers comics over the years, and even the better ones we've had are for the most part mediocre at best(and I'm including Roberts in this category cause while he started out decent, he gradually became almost as bad as everyone else we've had for the IDW continuity), Scioli is the only legitimately good one I can think of, and it's kinda telling that he focused on humans for most of Transformers vs GI Joe
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Jan 18, 2017 23:53
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Who wrote the majority of the Dreamwave G1 stuff? I really enjoyed the ongoing before they went bankrupt.
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pubic works project posted:Who wrote the majority of the Dreamwave G1 stuff? I really enjoyed the ongoing before they went bankrupt. Why, Pat Lee of course. He wrote, drew, colored everything. He made the paper too.
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I think the big issue is that Transformers writers always seem to veer up their own rear end. I will argue Costa and Shane wrote some good material alongside lots of bad, and Roberts, Scott and Barber have produced some good poo poo. But there's 1700 characters and everyone has a favorite and they want you to cover both sides of the war (also both sides of the post-war), then a cast of at least 17, and there's six plot threads in every book and then VOOOOOP right up the pooper. Mind you some of them start up their arse and pop out like a turtle to write one or two good stories. I still like Drift, and I still like Shane's handling of Omega Supreme.
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Blackheart posted:Why, Pat Lee of course. He wrote, drew, colored everything. He made the paper too. Are we not supposed to like him?
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pubic works project posted:Are we not supposed to like him? He looted his company's assets, didn't pay a lot of people working for him, bought a Porsche with company money and somehow still got work at Marvel for a time after. There are still unpaid debts from Dreamwave that are preventing more reprints of their material and the completion of War Within 3.
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pubic works project posted:Are we not supposed to like him? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Pat_Lee#Criticism_and_controversy
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People can write real weird things when they're unmoored from human/terrestrial/organic limitations. Writers have to jump through hoops just to introduce normal social constructs, Furman gave them religion, Roberts gave them romance, every so often there's a hazy reference to brotherhood, but for the most part, they still don't have familial structures. Optimus Prime isn't anybody's dad. And then there's weird things like the Decepticon cassettes implicitly relying on Soundwave in a little gang, combiner squads, ritualistically giving up your life force, caste systems, allegiances, and can any human bond between individuals truly be closer than that between a robot and its own head?
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Jan 19, 2017 05:28
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Dai Atlas and LioConvoy are both somebody's dad, actually
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Star Saber adopted a kid.
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