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That's from vader down. The art was special levels of awful.
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ShineDog posted:That's from vader down. The art was special levels of awful. More please!
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Jan 17, 2017 11:14
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The Vader comic is the worst of the lot and had the things that made the EU terrible. Vader's waifu would've been funny if the whole thing wasn't so bad. Someone post the General Ackbar Grievous abomination.
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Jan 17, 2017 15:05
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You know, as silly as that was at least it wasn't the first arc of the mainline comic, which was the special kinds of terrible that you only really got from Marvel prior to the release of The Empire Strikes Back.
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Jan 17, 2017 23:58
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Chill la Chill posted:Someone post the General Ackbar Grievous abomination.  We're approaching the point that new EU is worse than old EU. Not quite there yet, but it's coming.
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So a couple of friends and I have gotten Armada fleets together and want to kick off a 2v2 or 3v3 Corellian Conflict game. The main issue is, a lot of them coming from a DnD background, they want to see more of us doing stuff together. I'm trying to come up with some interesting ways to get all players playing at the same time, and adding some interesting house rules. For example: Between battles, players can exchange ships in their fleets. That being said, there is some interest in somehow getting additional players to have an impact (or participate in) battles, as opposed to a straight series of 1v1 battles with a resource aspect. Aside from going straight 2v2 on the same play area, does anyone have any ideas how to have allied fleets have an impact? (ie: hyperspace reinforcements from another fleet with a penalty on a later turn).
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Jan 18, 2017 08:01
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Vitamin P posted:
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banned from Starbucks posted:what the christ is this Literal answer: cyborg MonCal who thinks he's next level poo poo and Vader is just an obsolete prototype. lolnope. Messes with the best, dies like the rest. (SW comics have a tradition of putting Vader against pretty frickin wacked-out opponents.) Meta-Answer: DisnEU can be as weird, crazy and over-the-top as ClassEU; tighter editorial control might slow it down, but one day there will be as much insanity in it as the old stuff, just in different places and ways. Compare to Lord Nyax(lightsaber-knees-guy) Star Wars is pulpy.</captainobvious> ecureuilmatrix fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Jan 18, 2017 10:32
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TBF as bad as that pulp EU character is, I would buy and paint an imperial assault mini of it as a weird novelty. It's me, I enable the bad EU stuff.
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Jan 18, 2017 14:34
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Kieron gillens vader run is well written and good. The rough art does not sell some of the bigger concepts. The premise, where vader (in disgrace after getting chumped on mustafar and the deathstar debacle) dismantles the various schemes of palpatines evil science minion, who plans to replace him with the strongest of a variety of techno warrior monsters. (Palp expects him to win). is a lot of fun. The various bads are weird and interesting. It's git a surprisingly great supporting cast (aphra and her murder bots) It's let down by functional at best art. During the vader down crossover with the main SW book seen above its catestrophic.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:02
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I dunno... I haven't read much of the vader comic but almost everything dumb about the new EU seems to come from there.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:23
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Finster Dexter posted:I dunno... I haven't read much of the vader comic but almost everything dumb about the new EU seems to come from there. Yeah. Vader literally gets a yandere waifu. The people I know who like it also love GA Thrawn, Ysilimari and the oneupmanship it represented, and the Darth Maul returns stuff. The concept might be nice, but they completely lost me on the premise after issue 3 or 4 when they show off the various enemies, including Grievous Ackbar there. I read up to issue 11 or 12 thinking it gets better. 
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Jan 18, 2017 16:00
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The older I get the more I have to consider that I have really bad taste. I like Thrawn. 
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I like Thrawn in principle. The version in Rebels is really good, imo. I recently re-read the Thrawn trilogy and a lot of the stuff Zahn tacked on like ysilimari and the clone stuff was kinda loopy. The genteel Imperial officer that is so tactically and strategically dominant that he could rise to the highest military rank in a very pro-human gov't even though he had blue skin and weird eyes is kind of cool. People think the art thing was dumb, but I actually liked that, too, and some of what people hated about it has been warped and exaggerated for effect.
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Jan 18, 2017 17:34
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Eh, Thrawn still just have to study a handful of pieces of art to instantly deduce a whole race's innate fears. And he then delivers gems such as "They are afraid of the unknown, so if we pretend to have a super weapon that can bypass all their defenses nilly willy, they'll surrender". Truly a master strategist at work here. But I do confess the general concept of him works. It's just badly executed.
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I was always a fan of the theory that all the art-scrying was just a front for a really good intelligence network.
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Iceclaw posted:Eh, Thrawn still just have to study a handful of pieces of art to instantly deduce a whole race's innate fears. And he then delivers gems such as "They are afraid of the unknown, so if we pretend to have a super weapon that can bypass all their defenses nilly willy, they'll surrender". Truly a master strategist at work here. But I do confess the general concept of him works. It's just badly executed. The key wasn't just "pretend to have a superweapon"...he had to come up with a way to sell having that superweapon.
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i found it believable when he analyzed the art of the actual commander he was facing, maybe not so much the culture he was facing though Noghri were cool though, their story anyways
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Jan 18, 2017 19:28
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Iceclaw posted:Eh, Thrawn still just have to study a handful of pieces of art to instantly deduce a whole race's innate fears. And he then delivers gems such as "They are afraid of the unknown, so if we pretend to have a super weapon that can bypass all their defenses nilly willy, they'll surrender". Truly a master strategist at work here. But I do confess the general concept of him works. It's just badly executed. The implication was, though, that in all those cases he wasn't studying a single piece of art, but that he collected samples of their art as part of a detailed study into their entire body of artwork.
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Finster Dexter posted:The implication was, though, that in all those cases he wasn't studying a single piece of art, but that he collected samples of their art as part of a detailed study into their entire body of artwork. I know star wars is pretty big on the "all aliens are the same" trope, but reducing the art production of a whole specie in any kind of usable sample is... hard.
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Chill la Chill posted:Yeah. Vader literally gets a yandere waifu. The people I know who like it also love GA Thrawn, Ysilimari and the oneupmanship it represented, and the Darth Maul returns stuff. So far the worst from the nuEU is either the Lords of the Sith novel or the reintroduction of Thrawn into Rebels. I'll have to see how the last one plays out, but I don't see them somehow making him less irritating than he already is.
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Thrawn has barely even been a presence on Rebels, I don't see how anyone could be so irritated with the character. You're conflating the old EU Thrawn with the new one.
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Iceclaw posted:I know star wars is pretty big on the "all aliens are the same" trope, but reducing the art production of a whole specie in any kind of usable sample is... hard. Tell me more. Next, I'd like to hear about how unrealistic it is to have "all-desert" planet, "all-snow" planet, and "all-forest" moon.
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Finster Dexter posted:Tell me more. Next, I'd like to hear about how unrealistic it is to have "all-desert" planet, "all-snow" planet, and "all-forest" moon.  but it bothers me less than "All those other people are the same"
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Thrawn has barely even been a presence on Rebels, I don't see how anyone could be so irritated with the character. You're conflating the old EU Thrawn with the new one. The voice acting. That weird high pitched monotone as if he can't believe that everyone around him is so stupid reminds me uncomfortably of the exact kind of person who would talk him up as the paragon of Star Wars writing. Also the art thing came back, but the terrible poo poo in the pre-season trailer hasn't actually turned up in the show yet.
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I don't think that Thrawn is meant to be likable. He's supposed to be utterly Imperial which is a large part of how he was able to gain his rank. The guy is a world subjugating villain, not a relatable hero to emulate. I also see the art thing as shorthand for 'this guy is an expert in studying cultures and in psychology, but we don't have time to go into that so here is some of the stuff he is currently reviewing'. Ideally every time we see his gallery it would contain different stuff, or we would see a docking bay full of trinkets being shipped in and out for his perusal. Or maybe we see him reading a few books. Something to show that he isn't just basing it all off 2 paintings and one sculpture.
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The most recent episode had Thrawn using actual deductive reasoning and tactics that didn't involve studying art at all. He just gambled on the Rebellion doing something impulsive and stupid, which they did.
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Partially due to the limitations of the medium it came off as a "just as planned  " moment because they didn't really explain the basic search methodology beforehand. Even when he does something plausible it's presented in a way that I find annoying whatever fiction it happens in.
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So unfortunately my Imperial & Rebels Squadron II packs haven't arrived, they might tomorrow morning but I doubt it and the tourney starts at 11 so there wouldn't be time to change my list up in time. I was leaning towards an Imperial list but I don't have anything made (or anything to copy :v) up, so I've come up with a partial Rebel list, what are your thoughts and how could I complete this, mainly in terms of squadrons. I have the CC expansion pack and Rogues and Villians pack. I have all the rebel ships except for Pheonix Home and the Liberty MC80. 292 points - No objectives chosen yet. 8 points remaining MC80 Command Admiral Ackbar Engine Techs Reinforced Blast Doors Defiance Assault Frig MK2 B ECM XI7 Turbolaser Paragon CR90 A TRC Jaina’s Light CR90 A TRC Tantive IV Squads Tycho Celchu - A Wing squad Shara Bey - A Wing squad What should I get rid of, I know I need more squadrons, I'm thinking more of a fighter screen rather than a bombing force. I like the idea of 4 ships, so I win on activation and give myself choices to deploy and to play.
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New ImpAss stuff! Jedi Luke and Rebel Rangers! I finally can get my Scarif on! 
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Drop either the AF or mc80. If you keep the mc80 do consider Raymus for an engine tech build or flight coordination team if you get more squads
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Hmm... or an Imperial list, long/med range oriented with a fighter screen. card view: http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=72074 400/400 Commander: Admiral Motti Assault Objective: Most Wanted? Defense Objective: Fighter Ambush? Navigation Objective: Dangerous Territory? [ flagship ] Imperial II-Class Star Destroyer (120 points) - Admiral Motti ( 24 points) - Gunnery Team ( 7 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) = 158 total ship cost Victory II-Class Star Destroyer (85 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) - Overload Pulse ( 8 points) = 103 total ship cost Arquitens-class Command Cruiser (59 points) - Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points) - Dual Turbolaser Turrets ( 5 points) = 69 total ship cost 1 "Howlrunner" ( 16 points) 1 "Mauler" Mithel ( 15 points) 1 Black Squadron ( 9 points) 1 Soontir Fel ( 18 points) 1 Saber Squadron ( 12 points) --- Edit and the edited rebel fleet, removing the AFmk2: card view: http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=72081 Points: 392/400 Commander: Admiral Ackbar Assault Objective: Opening Salvo Defense Objective: Jamming Barrier Navigation Objective: Solar Corona [ flagship ] MC80 Assault Cruiser (114 points) - Admiral Ackbar ( 38 points) - Defiance ( 5 points) - Raymus Antilles ( 7 points) - Engine Techs ( 8 points) - Reinforced Blast Doors ( 5 points) - Electronic Countermeasures ( 7 points) - Enhanced Armament ( 10 points) - Ion Cannon Batteries ( 5 points) = 199 total ship cost CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Tantive IV ( 3 points) - Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points) = 54 total ship cost CR90 Corvette A (44 points) - Jainas Light ( 2 points) - Turbolaser Reroute Circuits ( 7 points) = 53 total ship cost 1 Tycho Celchu ( 16 points) 1 Shara Bey ( 17 points) 1 Wedge Antilles ( 19 points) 1 Rogue Squadron ( 14 points) 1 Luke Skywalker ( 20 points) While I want to try out the Arquitans, perhaps a tournament isn't the best place as I haven't played with it yet. Not sure which of the two to pick, I'll decide in the morning before I head off, based on feedback in here (if there is any) drunkill fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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FFG here's a free idea: Sell a Scarif campaign exp for impass pls. I would pay all my moneys for that
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Finster Dexter posted:FFG here's a free idea: Sell a Scarif campaign exp for impass pls. I would pay all my moneys for that That would be cool. If it wouldn't mean yet more desert tiles a campaign set in and around Jedha city would be cool too. They could even add an 'aid, but at a price' mechanic for if the rebels choose to work with Saw.
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Vitamin P posted:That would be cool. If it wouldn't mean yet more desert tiles a campaign set in and around Jedha city would be cool too. They could even add an 'aid, but at a price' mechanic for if the rebels choose to work with Saw. Yeah there are a lot of really good options there. A couple branching points maybe based on whether you try to kill/save Galen Erso. Could be very cool.
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Actually, you could do one of those "Three Battles at the Same Time" that Star Wars loves. ImpAss for stealing the plans, X-Wing for doomed Blue Squadron vs the TIEs for air support, Armada for the fleet battle in orbit.
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jng2058 posted:Actually, you could do one of those "Three Battles at the Same Time" that Star Wars loves. ImpAss for stealing the plans, X-Wing for doomed Blue Squadron vs the TIEs for air support, Armada for the fleet battle in orbit.
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Well, unfortunately something came up today so I couldn't go to the regionals tournament. But on the way home I was near the good store which had the massive clearance sale last week and were still getting rid of stock, so I picked up a second MC80 for 30bux (60 at other places) and the Phoenix Home which I didn't have and to balance it out on the imperial side I got a second Arquitans. Sadly their cheap ISDs sold out, was planning on just getting a new Home One and ISD.
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I'm thinking of using the following in a tournament. Opinions and critiscism please? 40 points Deployment Cards --------------------------- ▪ Luke Skywalker Rebel Trooper Echo Base Trooper ▪ Gideon Argus ▪ Fenn Signis Rebel Saboteur ▪ On a Diplomatic Mission Command Cards ------------------------ Celebration Covering Fire Deadeye Element of Surprise Hide in Plain Sight Lock On Planning Reinforcements Strength in Numbers Take Cover Urgency Son of Skywalker I Can Feel It Against the Odds Hit and Run
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