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Rudy Gay died of an Achilles tear. At least he probably won't opt out now?
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Spoeank posted:Rudy Gay died of an Achilles tear. Aw man, not this guy
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Jan 19, 2017 06:48
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aBagorn posted:Well if Embiid isn't injured (and somehow still makes it to us at 3, just roll with me here), it's only being intentionally bad for a single year (the MCW-Noel draft class), then you land your superstar and It's all good. The problem is that it'll be very hard for even great players to dig a team out of a hole like that. chunkles posted:Even the best and most well-executed strategy for finals contention (which is draft the only superstar who wants to live in Ohio, alienate him until he leaves and then build up your team through the draft until he returns) probably has a less than 10% chance of getting you to the finals though You're leaving out the part where CLE gets THREE #1 picks in a four year period. Their odds over that span pegged that as like a once every 2,000 year event (if you think the draft is really legitimate). Seeing as how the machinations of the draft are done behind closed doors I'm skeptical. Imagine if those state lotteries were done behind a curtain rather than live on TV. tanglewood1420 posted:http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jv838xz Wade, CP3 and Carmelo to Nets: +1 win Spacebump posted:In addition to his comment about naming three players from his last time, Rondo quit on a team the last time he was in the playoffs. Would he stop game planning and quit coaching a team if he got in a feud with the front office? It would be kind of entertaining to see a really insane coach at the NBA level. Throw some chairs, leave the court in a huff, curse the owner on live TV, grab the PA mic etc. Zogo fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 06:55
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straight up brolic posted:That ammunition is all average though. I highly doubt that anything but the Kings 2019 pick will convey in the top 5 and that's a complete unknown. Sixers look like they'll have the same exact record as the Kings for the swap this year. I'm really interested to see what the environment of the next few drafts are going to be. Last year picks couldn't move because they were worthless, a few years ago picks couldn't move because they were worth too much. I think the safe prediction is that the picks will be too valuable, but we got some GMs on the hot seat which usually causes the draft to be a trade fest (either if they get replaced by new GMs, or are still grasping to their jobs).
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Jan 19, 2017 07:07
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Jan 19, 2017 07:33
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Spoeank posted:Rudy Gay died of an Achilles tear. Kings fans said we can't lose Rudy to FA for nothing. The monkey paw curls a finger
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Jan 19, 2017 07:38
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i can't believe russ rallied the team to a victory over the warriors at gs wow just wow look at this powerful score
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Jan 19, 2017 08:09
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I love Russ so much.
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Jan 19, 2017 08:12
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woo ee! This is all so good https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/821969070257885184 https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/821967872054300673
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Jan 19, 2017 08:21
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chunkles posted:Speaking of defense, Rockets had 11 blocks and 9 steals tonight Favorite sequence of the night: Giannis slices through the lane in typical fashion, gets his poo poo swatted by James motherfucking Harden, Harden brings it up the floor in that lazy looking way he does that still puts him coast to coast without giving the defense a chance to set up, abuses a dude with a euro and goes up for a layup while the vengeful Giannis rises up to reject that weak poo poo, too late it hit the backboard and it's a goaltend Spoeank posted:Rudy Gay died of an Achilles tear. Well at least now the Rockets won't trade for him
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Jan 19, 2017 09:55
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Aw man, that sucks for Rudey. Achilles tear is the last injury I'd wish upon someone (first is a stubbed toe in the middle of the night)
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Jan 19, 2017 12:48
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straight up brolic posted:So with Hinkie, I think can only be evaluated under the auspices of his goals--which were to stockpile assets and trade tangibles until he could build a team that could challenge for the title. You're trying way way way too hard with this. https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/821921564597846016 Redgrendel2001 fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 13:09
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straight up brolic posted:-i just don't know if being intentionally bad for so long was worth it They were going to be bad anyway. So this seems like a red herring. Unless you think Evan Turner, Thad Young and Spnecer Hawes were going to compete for the ECF.
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Jan 19, 2017 13:45
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Spoeank posted:Rudy Gay died of an Achilles tear. ah that is terrible. I feel for the guy. And the Kings.
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It all ultimately boils down to one simple question: Is there a guy on your roster that could be the best player on a championship winning team? Everything else is secondary to that. Now that is a high bar, there are maybe seven or eight of those guys in the league, but if you can't tick that box then you aren't winning a title. And if you have that player, and it looks like perhaps Embiid could be that guy, then you are in business and everything else is secondary. For example for all their salary cap hell and island of misfit toys roster, I would rather be in the Pelicans position with Anthony Davis locked up guaranteed for the next five years and figure out how to supplement him, than the Hornets or Grizzlies or Hakws where you have a nice team with several very good players but no one guy that is going to put you over the top in the playoffs. Hell, as an example even Indiana with Paul George are a bit up in the air for me. Is Paul George an All-Star player? Of course yes he is truly excellent. He could be the second best player on a title winning team for sure, no doubt. But could he be the best player on a title winning team? Unless he somehow goes up a level unexpectedly in the next few seasons then I'd say no. Same goes for Toronto with Kyle Lowry. This is all assuming traditional cap dynamics of team building where it's not possible to get multiple max players on a team and have some kind of four headed monster of All-Star but not Super Duper Star players like Paul George, Kyle Lowry, Marc Gasol, Gordon Hayward all on one team (and even then would that team beat GSW or the Cavs in a series?) . tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 13:49
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How do you get super stars. 1. Draft. Best likelihood you need high picks (top 3, preferably 1 or 2). 2. Trade. You need high draft picks and cap space and young talented dudes. 3. Sign. You need cap space and a favorable team/market or be located near Akron, OH. 3. Sign is dying with the new rules. 2. Trade is still legit tho BOS does not seem to be able to find anyone. HOU did it well. Trade was slightly lowered in value with the new rules, however. Optimally your want to trade for a superstar on their rookie deal, which is harder. 1. Draft is still the best imho. The best way to get super stars is to draft them. The best way to draft them is to have the 1st or 2nd pick. 3 is ok too. The best way to get the 1st or second pick is win the lottery, obviously, or have swap rights with Brooklyn. I think the league recognizes that tanking is the optimal strategy, so, therefore, in order to not turn the league into a farce at the bottom levels, had to instill an outside disincentive to future GMs and owners. The message from the league is clear: If you tank for more than 2 years, we will take over your team and the GM will be fired. I think with the new CBA, which incentivizes tanking EVEN MORE, they will be strict about it, though the Lesson of Hinkie is well known and feared, imho. You can still tank for one year, no problem. Maybe even two. I think this is a decent balance. Sixers had almost no assets on their roster. Jrue holiday, that's it. and they were missing picks. Hinkie had to get back 2017 #1 for example. So at the end of the day, Hinkie got 2 potential superstars out of 3 high picks, the lakers pick, Sac 2019 1, all the sixers picks, and tons of cap space. Realistically, I don't see how it could have gone better. Sure he could have allowed to draft Porzingis, but that's hindsight and asking for 100% success. The team is lights years away from where they were when he took over. It's not even a argument. His plan worked so well, the league had to destroy him. euphronius fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 14:03
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Redgrendel2001 posted:You're trying way way way too hard with this.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:31
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Years ago, I would have said Bos had the better strategy, but they didn't start from the same place that the Sixers did. But now the Sixers have leapfrogged Bos, so I don't know. Bos still has time and assets to catch up, but they have to hit on one of these Brooklyn picks.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:36
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euphronius posted:Years ago, I would have said Bos had the better strategy, but they didn't start from the same place that the Sixers did. But now the Sixers have leapfrogged Bos, so I don't know. Bos still has time and assets to catch up, but they have to hit on one of these Brooklyn picks. But I think it's unfair to evaluate a team that ripped off Billy King as a legitimate counter strategy (although I guess the same argument would extend to Vlade lol)
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Jan 19, 2017 14:41
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Hinkie never got to complete his goals. He was saddled with Colangelo and then forced to step down. Hinkie did his job, he got them a player who can potentially be a top 5 player in the league. who's to say what other moves he would have made or could make. Also there is no guarantee any of it works. Winning an NBA championship is the hardest championship to win of any of the 3 or 4 major sports here. Plenty of greats never won rings(shouts to Jordan). All you can do is get yourself a player with the potential to be elite and work your rear end off to build a team around them.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:42
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I thought there was only 2 more Brooklyn picks. This year's swap and next years outright.
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And I don't think Hinkie is flawless, but I believe his main problem was that he got so far into his own head he lost track of the fact that players and agents are humans and not just asset's.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:45
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euphronius posted:I thought there was only 2 more Brooklyn picks. This year's swap and next years outright.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:47
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Does anyone know when the first trade to swap picks was? It seems like such a key move if you're trying to tank. If your goal is to increase the odds of getting a superstar, and generally increasing your odds to get the #1 pick, all the extra ping pong balls you can add help.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:48
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straight up brolic posted:but as a strategy it hasn't been proven as worthy of imitation And CPR usually breaks a few ribs, but sometimes its necessary
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Jan 19, 2017 14:50
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straight up brolic posted:It's been beat to death, but I think periodically checking back in to evaluate the progress of the strategy under practical constraints is interesting. should we just not assess one of the more out there NBA strategies in recent years because you happen to be a fan of the team and it hurts your feelings or something? No you're just repeating the same half-baked crap over and over again which gets real tiresome real quickly.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:54
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Get a room you two...
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Dexo posted:Get a room you two... Meh. I usually just let Abagorn or Euphronius handle him nowadays.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:56
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Redgrendel2001 posted:No you're just repeating the same half-baked crap over and over again which gets real tiresome real quickly. Over the last two days you have been really grumpy and ruining the friendship basketball vibe my friend
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Jan 19, 2017 15:03
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Redgrendel2001 posted:No you're just repeating the same half-baked crap over and over again which gets real tiresome real quickly. Hashtag Banterzone posted:And CPR usually breaks a few ribs, but sometimes its necessary straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 15:07
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Meh. I usually just let Abagorn or Euphronius handle him nowadays. LMAO dude this is a sports forum and you're not some kind of anime villain. No one "handles" anyone here
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Jan 19, 2017 15:18
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Paul Zuvella posted:LMAO dude this is a sports forum and you're not some kind of anime villain. No one "handles" anyone here Insert the phrase "respond to" then you pedantic baby. I'm referring to the fact I put him on ignore months ago.
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euphronius posted:Years ago, I would have said Bos had the better strategy, but they didn't start from the same place that the Sixers did. But now the Sixers have leapfrogged Bos, so I don't know. Bos still has time and assets to catch up, but they have to hit on one of these Brooklyn picks. I would say the main difference is that Boston got a load of help from the worst GM in NBA history. I don't really feel comfortable calling that "strategy". The good part of the strategy was being aggressive and trading for guys like Jae Crowder and Isiah Thomas. Also I would imagine the new CBA is going to make tanking even more prevalent. Drafting elite talent is now the single most important way to get good by a huge margin because it makes it easier to resign your great players. This in turn makes Trades of young stars even less likely than before AND makes signing a young star as a free agent almost impossible unless they are completely miserable. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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http://i.imgur.com/tBCtHsk.mp4
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Who will be the first team in the playoffs out of Lakers, TWolves, or Philly Chairchucker posted:Probably Wolves IMO. I've changed my mind BTW it's Philly, possibly even this year.
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Paul Zuvella posted:This in turn makes Trades of young stars even less likely than before AND makes signing a young star as a free agent almost impossible unless they are completely miserable. Think you are going to see more Harden-esque manuevers where a young star forces his way off a team on his rookie deal when there are 2 other stars already on the roster. Like Nerlens Noel's agent should be pushing for a deal to anywhere. Its vaguely possible he wins DPOY on his next deal which would set him up for SUPER MAX.
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euphronius posted:Think you are going to see more Harden-esque manuevers where a young star forces his way off a team on his rookie deal when there are 2 other stars already on the roster. Why would a team ever do that? A rookie has no control until AFTER they are a restricted free agent. Sure they can pretend to be miserable and refuse to go to camp or get a physical but that doesn't exactly put them in a favorable spot to go to a place that you would want to play. Harden did not force his way off his team, his team force him off it because they were cheap.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Why would a team ever do that? A rookie has no control until AFTER they are a restricted free agent. Sure they can pretend to be miserable and refuse to go to camp or get a physical but that doesn't exactly put them in a favorable spot to go to a place that you would want to play. Respectfully disagree on Harden and that rookies/players have no leverage on teams. I mean I know how RFA works, too. Also, thinking about it, you may see even more power plays at the draft where a super star prospect (like KAT or AD level) puts tons of pressure on teams that already have 2 stars to not get drafted there.
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I have two questions for our man Kibner, or anyone who regularly watches the Peligrosos. Is terrence Jones producing because someone has to use some usage, or is he actually playing well? And what happened to knicks star Langston Galloway?
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:And CPR usually breaks a few ribs, but sometimes its necessary The old style of CPR doesn't break ribs but people are too clumsy to do it right so now the default is the chest smashing style 🤓🤓🤓
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