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Broken Cog posted:What's wrong with good old pie charts? Meat pie charts?
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e:quote for new pageBroken Cog posted:What's wrong with good old pie charts? pie charts for two numbers are actually readable and provide an accurate comparison of the data at a glance, hence must be eliminated in exchange for this horrible area-comparison-between-two-different-shapes monstrosity
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Jan 19, 2017 12:54
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Angepain posted:pie charts for two numbers are actually readable and provide an accurate comparison of the data at a glance, hence must be eliminated in exchange for this horrible area-comparison-between-two-different-shapes monstrosity It’s not even an area comparison, though. It is the diameters that have a linear relationship with the vegetarian proportion.
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Jan 19, 2017 13:25
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Jan 19, 2017 13:28
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Ras Het posted:Nerds Executive summary: It is a bad map.
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Jan 19, 2017 13:32
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Platystemon posted:It’s not even an area comparison, though. I'm not sure that's true, actually, otherwise 1.3 would be completely invisible against 98.7. I thought it was that the whole circle added up to 100% and the area of the rings corresponded to the percentages but looking at 49.4/50.6 now I figure that must not be the case, and it's just two circles on top of each other, which is also terrible. Add to the fact that the map doesn't bother to say which of these terrible possibilities is right and leads the viewer to try to work it out themselves and, in conclusion, Platystemon posted:Executive summary: It is a bad map. e:oh i just found there's a dedicated lovely graph porn thread in pyf to jack off edward tufte all day, i'll leave all you map nerds alone now Angepain fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 13:42
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Angepain posted:I'm not sure that's true, actually, otherwise 1.3 would be completely invisible against 98.7. I thought it was that the whole circle added up to 100% and the area of the rings corresponded to the percentages but looking at 49.4/50.6 now I figure that must not be the case, and it's just two circles on top of each other, which is also terrible. That same 49.4/50.6 example (Madhya Pradesh) argues diameters to me. There is more than a 2.5% difference in area there. But I’m not about to start measuring pixels to prove it. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 13:55
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Platystemon posted:But I’m not about to start measuring pixels to prove it. I'm having to restrain myself from opening up R on my day off to do a mockup in ggplot2 just to determine exactly in what way this graph is terrible. huffpost india this is what you have reduced me to i hope you're happy
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Jan 19, 2017 14:01
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Broken Cog posted:What's wrong with good old pie charts? Nothing. This idea is atrocious. The only benefit I can see is that when one part of the "pie" is bigger than 50% you swap whats in the center and outside. So this change is more "binary" instead of slow change.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:45
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But even the binary flip part of it is dumb, because 50.1% veg is not different than 49.9% veg in any practical sense
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Jan 19, 2017 14:52
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Tei posted:The only benefit I can see is that when one part of the "pie" is bigger than 50% you swap whats in the center and outside. So this change is more "binary" instead of slow change. Which might make sense for something like elections, but there is zero practical difference between a territory having 55%/45% vegetarians/non— vs. the inverse.
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Jan 19, 2017 14:53
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Platystemon posted:Historically they were not the greatest potatoes. Eh, that's English propaganda to devalue the Irish diet and make them seem more base. Someone actually revived the Lumper and their comment was 'more waxy than floury, but fine'. Milk and potatoes is one of the stable diets that requires very little nutritional supplementation due to potatoes being high in vitamins B+C and dairy high in A+D. This is why the relative population of Ireland grew so much so fast compared to the rest of Europe, peeking in 1840 when the island contained half the total population of England, until..  (Note: Protestant Areas Not Affected) Also, while looking the article up I found this beautiful fever dream 
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Jan 19, 2017 15:29
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Fun fact that y'all probably knew: the potato is a new world plant, and so was not part of Irish (or German or any European) cuisine until well into the 16th century at the earliest. Same goes for tomatoes and peppers (Italian food without tomatoes??  ), which are all nightshades along with potatoes. There are many more interesting things about the Columbian exchange but since they're not in map form I'll stop here.
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Jan 19, 2017 15:35
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Come back when you got a map, buddy
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Jan 19, 2017 15:36
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Here's one:
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Scrree posted:Also, while looking the article up I found this beautiful fever dream Our oppressed Welsh Celtic brethren must be liberated from Saxon rule.
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Jan 19, 2017 15:40
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Platystemon posted:Executive summary: It is a bad map. it looks like a standard bullseye map to me, probably taken straight from tableau into illustrator or whatever are the radii wrong, or what's the issue here Tree Goat fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 17:21
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The talk about potatoes made me curious: Anecdotally on my visits to Europe and Asia (well, Japan) I never saw much corn being consumed, which as an American is really weird.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:25
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Lowland Scots haven't spoken a Celtic language for a very long time, and Welsh, though it is Celtic, is not closely related to Gaelic. I suppose it's a moot point anyway since only a small minority speaks Gaelic both in Ireland and Scotland.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:29
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Family Values posted:The talk about potatoes made me curious: Isn't most of the corn Americans consume in the form of corn syrup?
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Jan 19, 2017 17:34
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Family Values posted:The talk about potatoes made me curious: China is like 45% rice, 35% corn and 20% wheat. I know the rice is (to the surprise of many) limited to the southern half of the country, but I'm curious as to what they consider as corn.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:35
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Maybe they put corn on pizza.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:40
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Pakled posted:Isn't most of the corn Americans consume in the form of corn syrup? Corn everything! Corn syrup, corn derived "natural flavors," corn filler, corn based cereal, corn fed to animals, corn corn corn. Buy your very own Corn today!
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Jan 19, 2017 17:45
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Phlegmish posted:Lowland Scots haven't spoken a Celtic language for a very long time, and Welsh, though it is Celtic, is not closely related to Gaelic. Lowland Scots never spoke Gaelic at any point so if your uniting it with Northumbria and Cumbria you may as well add the rest of Britain in, or at least Wales and Cornwall.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:46
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Maize in Europe is mostly grown for animal feed.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:54
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Family Values posted:The talk about potatoes made me curious: I'm the corn in a sea of wheat in Europe.
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Jan 19, 2017 17:54
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gently caress off Batman posted:I'm the corn in a sea of wheat in Europe. 
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Jan 19, 2017 17:56
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Scrree posted:Also, while looking the article up I found this beautiful fever dream No Wales, Cornwall or Bretagne. Bad map.
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Jan 19, 2017 18:27
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Pakled posted:Isn't most of the corn Americans consume in the form of corn syrup? I don't know. Americans do eat a lot of corn though, and it's not just the US, the map shows a clear divide between the western hemisphere and sub-saharan Africa, and Eurasia. Delicious: 
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Jan 19, 2017 18:38
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Guavanaut posted:I'm going to bet that's the outcome of a project of some sort Maybe while Western Europe was getting $ from Marshall Plan, Yugoslavia was getting its aid in corn.
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Jan 19, 2017 18:42
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Corn is good and good for you. Not a surprise that white europeans hate something the natives invented though.
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Jan 19, 2017 18:55
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Guavanaut posted:I'm going to bet that's the outcome of a project of some sort Tito succeeded where Khrushchev failed     
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Jan 19, 2017 18:58
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gently caress off Batman posted:I'm the corn in a sea of wheat in Europe. I'm the "no data" on a map that has data from North Korea. 
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Jan 19, 2017 19:09
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steinrokkan posted:Tito succeeded where Khrushchev failed 
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Jan 19, 2017 19:14
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my dad posted:I'm the "no data" on a map that has data from North Korea. Is it that weird that a country where all farms are state-owned has better statistics on agricultural output than countries where most farming is subsistence agriculture?
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Jan 19, 2017 19:55
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Is it that weird that a country where all farms are state-owned has better statistics on agricultural output than countries where most farming is subsistence agriculture? Uh... what?
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Jan 19, 2017 20:06
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Family Values posted:The talk about potatoes made me curious: What on earth is up with Croatia?
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Jan 19, 2017 20:18
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Kainser posted:What on clay is up with Croatia?
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Jan 19, 2017 20:24
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Is it that weird that a country where all farms are state-owned has better statistics on agricultural output than countries where most farming is subsistence agriculture? He is from Serbia, not from *quickly glances the map looking for a place that fits the parameters defined in your post* uhh, Mars?
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my dad posted:Uh... what? North Korea regularly reports on food production since most food is supposed to be distributed by the state. The numbers are probably inflated and black market trade is unaccounted for, but looking at the reported rates you probably get a good idea of what proportions stuff is produced and eaten in. Contrast this to Niger, where most of the food people eat never gets tallied in any way because it never switches hands. Hence "no data."
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