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I enjoy revisiting old topics like the process in Philly even if they have been discussed to death. It's like what Dokmo did a few pages back when he revisited his predictions for the Rockets while Capella was injured, its good to look back on what you thought and see how right/wrong you were. I was skeptical of Hinkie's strategy because I thought there was a real possibility that they could be terrible for 5+ years and still not get that superstar-level player. I think the worst case scenario would have been something like Embiid never gets injured, so Philly has to take the best player available in Jabari Parker, who might have elevated them out of the chance for a likely top-3 pick while still not being good enough to lead a team to a championship all by himself. That being said, it is really starting to look like they did get that superstar player in Embiid. I think the fact that the team around him right now is bad is mostly irrelevant. Look at the Rockets, they're on their 5th season with Harden, and in that time they've gone from a Harden/Lin/Parsons/Asik core to a Harden/Dwight/Bad shooters core to this Harden/Good shooters/Good Rollers core. As long as they can keep Embiid happy they should be golden. Overall, I'm not really sure it's a template other teams should follow. It went well this time, but it easily could have been a disaster. I'd be very wary if I was a small market team that hasn't attracted free agents in the past, like Portland, because it does seem like a free agent injection of talent is necessary once your superstar awakens.
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Dejan Bimble posted:I have two questions for our man Kibner, or anyone who regularly watches the Peligrosos. Is terrence Jones producing because someone has to use some usage, or is he actually playing well? And what happened to knicks star Langston Galloway? TJones is playing OK but most of his stats are because someone has to take shots. He is an offensive black hole and leaves good defensive and rebounding position to chase blocks. He has no jumper but continues to shoot them. Somehow, his pump fakes work. I am biased because I just don't like him as a person. He's still more effective on offense than Asik and better than Ajinca on defense (read: doesn't foul a ton). Galloway has won the hearts of everyone here. He's been great as a 3 point threat, to the point that local press gave him the nickname Green Light Galloway. It has stuck and there is a grassroots effort to get him into the 3pt contest next month. His defense has been alright, play making non-existent, and he takes too many bad mid-range jumpers. He always plays with energy and is a huge part of the bench getting the team back into games. When the fourth quarter crunch comes around, Gentry usually picks whoever is the hottest of Langston, Hield, and Moore to be the off-guard. Kibner fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Harden didn't force his way off of the Thunder, they chose Ibaka over him and didn't want to go into super duper luxury tax territory. No one knew how good Harden was at the time either. When he put up 30+ his first few games as a Rocket I remember people being genuinely surprised It's been a few years now but the general consensus was that he hadn't proven himself to be star potential because he was coming off the bench IIRC
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I didn't catch what he said here.
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Time posted:Every time I watch embiid play I have to walk myself back from genuinely asserting we are watching the birth of he greatest big man since wilt Having watched Wilt (and Kareem) in their prime, I think there's merit to thinking this, in terms of sheer talent, etc. Those two guys were also pretty much made of iron, injury-wise. Embiid is still just a Delly-roll from "what could have been" at this point.
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pubic works project posted:I didn't catch what he said here. He was telling Kanter don't say what's up to his bitch-rear end
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Intruder posted:Harden didn't force his way off of the Thunder, they chose Ibaka over him and didn't want to go into super duper luxury tax territory. No one knew how good Harden was at the time either. When he put up 30+ his first few games as a Rocket I remember people being genuinely surprised That's been discussed ad nauseam, but Ibaka took a cut from max iirc, and Harden wasn't willing to. He was already the 6th Man of the Year, so yeah they knew he was good, maybe not MVP good. But he was also on the Olympic team that year, so. I'm not a salary wonk wiz like everyone else itt, but I recall they were overpaying Perkins in a major way, and could have amnestied him- don't even know if that means anything- but Presti chose not to. Intruder posted:He was telling Kanter don't say what's up to his bitch-rear end lol
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Intruder posted:He was telling Kanter don't say what's up to his bitch-rear end Lmao I love Russ.
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Pretty much the hindsight answer was that removing Perkins would allow the Thunder to keep Harden and Ibaka while being under the luxury. So blame Perkins for why the Thunder are currently as they are.
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Mr. Mambold posted:Having watched Wilt (and Kareem) in their prime, I think there's merit to thinking this, in terms of sheer talent, etc. Those two guys were also pretty much made of iron, injury-wise. Embiid is still just a Delly-roll from "what could have been" at this point. I really love having you in here as our ball granpappy. It adds some really nice context to our inevitable rankings and GOAT discussions.
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Poor friendly Kanter is trapped in Russ's hate prison.
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Time posted:I really love having you in here as our ball granpappy. It adds some really nice context to our inevitable rankings and GOAT discussions.  you guys are pretty spot on about Chuck and those guys being legends in their own mind, and the state of the game in general being far better now than ever. Hell otherwise I'd stay away from the thread
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leftist heap posted:Poor friendly Kanter is trapped in Russ's hate prison. It's not like he's not used to being told to disconnect from the people he loves. Enes Westbrook incoming
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Zogo posted:You're leaving out the part where CLE gets THREE #1 picks in a four year period. Their odds over that span pegged that as like a once every 2,000 year event (if you think the draft is really legitimate). Seeing as how the machinations of the draft are done behind closed doors I'm skeptical. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Jan 19, 2017 17:16
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i mean, kd is a shook beta bitch, so i support russ
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Hey guys gently caress Kevin Durant
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Cool Buff Man posted:It's not like he's not used to being told to disconnect from the people he loves. Enes Westbrook incoming lol
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SamuraiFoochs posted:Hey guys Fuuuuuuuck Kevin Duraaaaaaant
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I hope Portland does something because they stink. Anything really.
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Cool Buff Man posted:It's not like he's not used to being told to disconnect from the people he loves. Enes Westbrook incoming
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leftist heap posted:I hope Portland does something because they stink. Anything really. I'm willing to sacrifice CJ for a defensive center.
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leftist heap posted:I hope Portland does something because they stink. Anything really. Why oh why did Portland cap themselves out for a 44 win team? I know there's an attitude of "nobody big will sign with us, so we might as well sign a couple of lesser players to oversized deals" with some small market front offices, but has that path ever lead anyone to a conference finals, let alone a championship?
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As a basketball dilettante I think it's pretty cool that the extremely hyped foreign big man with a history of injury is actually panning out. I seem to remember a lot of hyped foreign big men drafted becoming utter busts, so I kind of have this (I'm sure unjustified) bias against lottery picked seven footers from far off lands, or Canada.
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Mr. Mambold posted:That's been discussed ad nauseam, but Ibaka took a cut from max iirc, and Harden wasn't willing to. He was already the 6th Man of the Year, so yeah they knew he was good, maybe not MVP good. But he was also on the Olympic team that year, so. I'm not a salary wonk wiz like everyone else itt, but I recall they were overpaying Perkins in a major way, and could have amnestied him- don't even know if that means anything- but Presti chose not to. Ok, fair enough, though I don't think a player asking to be paid what he feels he deserves is "forcing himself off the team" either Even max players are by and large paid far less than their value to the team
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lol the Kings traded Isaiah Thomas for Alex Oriakhi and a trade exception
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Sheriff posted:Why oh why did Portland cap themselves out for a 44 win team? I know there's an attitude of "nobody big will sign with us, so we might as well sign a couple of lesser players to oversized deals" with some small market front offices, but has that path ever lead anyone to a conference finals, let alone a championship? Pistons
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Sheriff posted:Why oh why did Portland cap themselves out for a 44 win team? I know there's an attitude of "nobody big will sign with us, so we might as well sign a couple of lesser players to oversized deals" with some small market front offices, but has that path ever lead anyone to a conference finals, let alone a championship? A few things Almost all of Portland's role players were RFAs, and Portland didn't have enough cap space to replace them, so they re-signed them Portland knew that they wanted to keep CJ and that he would command a max contract, so they needed to sign players before his extension kicked in Blazer fans got their expectations up for signing a big name FA like Whiteside, so Olshey had to sign someone to placate them The West 4 through 8 was expected to be wide open, so now was the time to try to put together a 50 win team Portland needed more assets to try to make a trade for a star
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straight up brolic posted:lol the Kings traded Isaiah Thomas for Alex Oriakhi and a trade exception They had Hassan Whiteside too
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 I was thinking about Lebron's lack of serious injuries over thousands of games, and MKG's constant string of injuries. In watching video, I would claim that the deciding factor isn't HGH or whatever botique dope Lebron is on, but gymnast/pro wrestler style body control. Lebron contorts in the air so that his body takes impacts in the safest states of relaxation/tension and in the best position possible. MKG dives like a torpedo after loose balls and lands squarely on a full retracted shoulder. Not getting injured is in cases not relating to bad dellavedova beverly knee rolls, is a skill. Having the biomechanics to not prematurely wear soft tissue is also a skill. We see in Derrick Rose how badly things can go if a player doesn't know how to safely run and jump.This is probably something smart NBA teams understand by now, and if not, pay me 290k for the next 10 years and I'll teach your players how to fall down  I should really practice with final cut so I can make side by side falling comp videos and get those #youtubeRevenues The Glumslinger posted:Pistons Pistons championship team was trading for 3rd overall pick who was prematurely traded by Rick Pitino and then by Twolves as a 2nd year player, tricking Michael Jordan that Jerry Stackhouse and his huge contract were worth more than young Rip Hamilton whose numbers were good afaik, signing solid rotation players, and then getting Ben Wallace as part of the sign and trade for Grant Hill, and dead lucking into Rasheed Wallace after Rasheed refused to play for a garbage Hawks team a day after being traded there. Dumars was smart to clear space to make moves, but he didn't build that team through free agency. The the high value low price agents he added were post championship, Chris Webber and Antonio McDyess. You can see how he tried to repeat the process a second time around, with the trade for AI and signing Charlie Villanueva and Eric Gordon, and how badly that went. Luck goes both ways, the NBA is cruel But you distracted me from what I was originally going to post Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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E2M2 posted:They had Hassan Whiteside too The Grizzlies signed him twice earlier in the same season that he caught on with the Heat
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E2M2 posted:They had Hassan Whiteside too He was a real butthead with work ethic problems at that point so you can't really hold that one against them
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Dejan Bimble posted:
Billups was traded from the celtics in the first yea of his NBA life, in december iirc. Pitino you loving idiot, it STILL makes me upset all these years later. How could anyone think trading the 3rd pick was a good idea after 2 months of seeing how he played?????
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Chairchucker posted:I've changed my mind BTW it's Philly, possibly even this year.
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Sheriff posted:Why oh why did Portland cap themselves out for a 44 win team? I know there's an attitude of "nobody big will sign with us, so we might as well sign a couple of lesser players to oversized deals" with some small market front offices, but has that path ever lead anyone to a conference finals, let alone a championship? They didn't sign all of those guys thinking it would win them a championship. Their goal was to be a consistent playoff team. Unfortunately right now it looks like they missed badly. One thing that I think is an underrated part of their struggles is the regression of Ed Davis. What the gently caress happened to him? He is the only thing even close to an inside presence on that team, and he's been complete trash this season.
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There is no reliable way to make a team that can get to the Championship. Cleveland made a big splash getting Lebron back, Heat signed 2 superstars to join their 1, Dallas made a bunch of middling FA signs that panned out along with their homegrown superstar, GSW bet the farm on some injury prone players and getting some draft picks to pan out (and were helped by a 2nd rounder exploding). The best way to start is to get super-star level players and then trying to find opportunities to build around them and surround them with talent. It's pretty much "What can I do to get players with as much talent as possible". There isn't any other strategy.
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I predict that the next tanking strategy will be to shut down a completely healthy superstar for an entire season Of course they won't be that transparent about it, they will say something like "Kristaps is studying meditation at a Buddhist temple this season"
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:I predict that the next tanking strategy will be to shut down a completely healthy superstar for an entire season The player would never ever go for it.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:I predict that the next tanking strategy will be to shut down a completely healthy superstar for an entire season As Papercut said I think you'd have trouble getting the player to buy in, but you may see GMs weirdly overrate injured players in the draft. Although young guys tend to not actually help you win anyway.
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leftist heap posted:Poor friendly Kanter is trapped in Russ's hate prison. Better than being trapped in Erdogan's real prison
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gently caress!!!! Beaten to the Turkish politics joke punch by Quick Draw Cool Buff Man
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