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Not surprised, as literally anything having to do with women ends up being perceived as lower status if women are involved in it due to tha patriarchy; it's been happening here with doctors and it's already happened with nurses and yeah, midwives. It used to be that "we should pay these educated professionals good wages" but as things have shifted I've been hearing the old garbage "oh they're in it to help people" which if true would involve them joining MSF or going to Cuba and is the same sorta poo poo you hear about lovely conditions for teachers or any other caretaker job. I know this mostly from the teachers side, as both my parents were teachers and dad was in the union and they've literally banned teachers from striking now. So much for freedom from the so called party of 'independence'.
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54 40 or gently caress posted:Still, there are huge issues with things like getting notes from a midwife and how much respect is given to the role. It's really sad to see. The whole adversarial labor market that requires doctors notes in the first place is stupid. When I had a job like that during college I'd just show up, get everyone else and probably a few customers sick, then get sent home because I obviously looked like hell. On midwives in particular, licensed midwifery is still a relatively new thing, so it's going to take time to catch up. Nurse practitioners have had to deal with the same poo poo even though they are true PCPs. It sounds like it's pretty accepted in your state; in MA it's not a protected term (last I checked) so you'd probably have a tough time getting people to accept a note. It's a really terrible idea to support the deprofessionalization of medicine, so in states where there's no regulation beyond standard RN stuff (or where the regulation is just make-believe nonsense that the midwife lobby cooked up, like they're starting to do with naturopathy) then a note from them really shouldn't fly. The solution there is to get midwives treated legally as medical professionals, but I imagine there's no shortage of pushback there because idiots think of it as "lower". [edit: uh, I just realized this was a very US centric post. oops.] BRAKE FOR MOOSE fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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I had always heard about Midwives from the Woo peddling types I'm related to. Usually in conjunction with "water birth" and home delivery (and then down the rabbit hole of placenta usage). I'm glad to hear it's not all like that, and that there is an associated medical degree with it.
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Frankly, in many many cases, there's absolutely nothing wrong with home delivery, and there's unironically a long and misogynist history to hospital birth that prioritizes the convenience of the doctor over the health of the mother, and ease of birth, from the lying down position, to (thankfully waning) trends of overuse of epistotomy and c-section. The professional midwife is a sorely needed part of the pregnancy health team, as far as I'm concerned.
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The fact that there is not an easy way to get emergency help is imo a wrong thing. But that's speaking from someone whose wife and son would be dead if we'd tried to do it at home even though everything had looked fine in advance, so I will admit a bit of bias. (Things like the attached midwifery centers my local hospital has are super cool though)
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Yes, I think the thing that sums up the horrors of hospital birth best is the existence of the "daddy stitch," where the doctor sews up the woman's vaginal opening smaller than it naturally would be, without consulting her, just so her partner can have the pleasure of ripping it open.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yes, I think the thing that sums up the horrors of hospital birth best is the existence of the "daddy stitch," where the doctor sews up the woman's vaginal opening smaller than it naturally would be, without consulting her, just so her partner can have the pleasure of ripping it open. Given the proximity of the fourchette to the anus, do women have to worry about fissures or rectovaginal fistulas??
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stone cold posted:Given the proximity of the fourchette to the anus, do women have to worry about fissures or rectovaginal fistulas?? I don't know what those words mean and I'm sure I would regret googling it, so I'm gonna guess "yes"
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Octatonic posted:Frankly, in many many cases, there's absolutely nothing wrong with home delivery, and there's unironically a long and misogynist history to hospital birth that prioritizes the convenience of the doctor over the health of the mother, and ease of birth, from the lying down position, to (thankfully waning) trends of overuse of epistotomy and c-section. The professional midwife is a sorely needed part of the pregnancy health team, as far as I'm concerned. "Professional" being the operative word. There's a trend with people like the Duggars getting bullshit certifications that don't properly prepare for complications etc. Semi-related to this discussion, "Call the Midwife" is a really good show about midwifery in poor London around WWII.
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Although that goes in the other direction too, before the current hospital era there was a lot of poo poo about how women shouldn't be given pain meds at all and poo poo because they were supposed to be able to tough it out and some of that is coming back which was really frustrating to deal with during my wife's pregnancy, there is definitely a not altogether pleasant push among many modern day health practitioners to not give pain relief or allow any assistance because birth should be "natural" even when the woman in question is expressly asking for it and they've been in labour for 9 loving hours. Overriding the opinions of the woman actually giving birth is pretty poo poo now matter which way you go.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I don't know what those words mean and I'm sure I would regret googling it, so I'm gonna guess "yes" The fourchette is the bottom flap of skin in the vulva, and a rectovaginal fistula is basically a hole in between the vaginal canal and well.... yeah....
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Schmeichy posted:"Professional" being the operative word. There's a trend with people like the Duggars getting bullshit certifications that don't properly prepare for complications etc.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Oh hey it's the two big reasons why I decided not to further my education in Japanese! I worked with one Japanese company that did business with mine awhile ago. They had one female engineer on the team. She was actually born in the US (parents were both Japanese), had attended a major US University, and moved to Japan to work there since she still had family ties. She was one of the most senior engineers there, and wanted a management job. She got told that was never going to happen, so she ended up quitting and moving back to the states and finding a job here.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yes, I think the thing that sums up the horrors of hospital birth best is the existence of the "daddy stitch," where the doctor sews up the woman's vaginal opening smaller than it naturally would be, without consulting her, just so her partner can have the pleasure of ripping it open. I don't think text can accurately recreate the sound I just made but it's somewhere along the lines of "Buh?!". What the gently caress?
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Schmeichy posted:Semi-related to this discussion, "Call the Midwife" is a really good show about midwifery in poor London around WWII. I really enjoyed this show. Seconding. So, since we're talking about women's health and pregancy and midwifery, here's a neat example of international feminist work doing some good. Back when I was in college, I attended a lecture by a local activist doing kind of equal parts somewhat frustrating self promotion and activism centering around the problems of birth in rural Afghanistan, which had at the time, one of, if not the highest infant mortality rate, and the highest rate of death during childbirth. Her organization's initial goal was promoting female literacy, in general, which they found was met with a lot of resistance in more conservative areas of the country. Eventually, between collaborating with local groups and lots of interviews, they switched their pitch to being more about training midwives. Patriarchs were much more enthusiastic about basic literacy, if it came in the service of basic medical knowledge, and though it's been a lot of years since I saw the talk, it's it's nice to see a relatively recent article showing that there's been some progress on this front, crediting midwife training specifically. As far as I'm concerned, it's also a great example of how education efforts not only help women obtain "more fulfilling lives" or "obtain financial independence" or some of the phrases we use that to me are kind of tainted with ideology, but rather help women and children loving survive period. Our big dumb brains and our big dumb heads and our not-wide enough hips, along with the unusually high access human fetuses have to the bloodstream make pregnancy a gently caress ton more dangerous for us than most other mammals. Access to education about pregnancy and reproductive health, and moreover access to reproductive assistance, including birth control and abortion is loving imperative.
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Octatonic posted:Access to education about pregnancy and reproductive health, and moreover access to reproductive assistance, including birth control and abortion is loving imperative. Unfortunately, the US is on a huge backslide in this regard. Texas has a huge pregnancy mortality rate, and ACA and Planned Parenthood defundings are going to really hurt. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/spike-rates-pregnancy-related-deaths-texas-national-embarrassment
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Schmeichy posted:Unfortunately, the US is on a huge backslide in this regard. Texas has a huge pregnancy mortality rate, and ACA and Planned Parenthood defundings are going to really hurt. Don't I know it. The US has one of the worst infant mortality rates and maternal mortality rates in the "developed world" and the GOP is real loving insistent on making it worse. The War on Women as much as I hate our overuse of that construction is not a misnomer. "Pro-life" conservative policies are killing and will kill women and children.
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Hey, comrades! Just wanted to remind y'all that we're only two days out from the Women's March on Washington! If you're not gonna be at the march, consider signing up for a sister march near you. There are international marches as well, you can find them in the sister march link, and more details here.
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stone cold posted:Hey, comrades! I'll be at the Denver one, hoping for at least 40K people.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I don't know what those words mean and I'm sure I would regret googling it, so I'm gonna guess "yes" seiferguy posted:I worked with one Japanese company that did business with mine awhile ago. They had one female engineer on the team. She was actually born in the US (parents were both Japanese), had attended a major US University, and moved to Japan to work there since she still had family ties. She was one of the most senior engineers there, and wanted a management job. She got told that was never going to happen, so she ended up quitting and moving back to the states and finding a job here. Like, I wish my country produced as much female made female oriented media on all levels, or really any other country did. But the flipside is that alongside that you have all sorts of cultural fuckups which show the deep and serious patriarchal culture that is so rooted I wouldn't even know where to start to deal with it. (no im lying i do; it's in politics, then the beaurocracy and then business with quotas galore but lol that poo poo aint happenin) stone cold posted:Hey, comrades!
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Japan is super misogynist to the point where they even have a word for women who are over 25. It's called "Christmas cake", and it means that after 25 you're no good. I learned this from a coworker whose brother married a Japanese woman, and while he was still in Japan with her her sister asked her why he liked her since she was Christmas cake. And if you look into it you see that it is a very real thing and a held belief there.
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That's a pan-east asian thang though. hosed up but true: if you are a woman and want to get ahead in society, China is probably your best bet, though peeps argue which flavour of China is better. (I'd say that business wise mainland is better and politically Formosa but folks disagree) also got some more orgs and people I know involved in the march now I know about it; rustled up some folks to help organize it too
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FYI, the US Dept of Labor has put up an easy to download archive of the contents of the Women's Bureau section. If anyone wants to keep a local copy for... Reasons... https://www.dol.gov/wb/resources/
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Great Metal Jesus posted:I don't think text can accurately recreate the sound I just made but it's somewhere along the lines of "Buh?!". What the gently caress? Pretty much my exact response when she mentioned it in the Mysoginoir thread many moons ago.
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Schmeichy posted:"Professional" being the operative word. There's a trend with people like the Duggars getting bullshit certifications that don't properly prepare for complications etc. I adore Call the Midwife and am thirding the recommendation. I'm sad that Netflix only has up to season 3, so that's as much as I've seen. I've noticed that British shows seem much more willing to hire actresses that look like normal people. There's always the 1 or 2 attractive girls, but everyone else looks normal, like someone you might see on the street one day. On that note, I also recommend Bletchley Circle, which is about a group of female, WWII code breakers who team up to catch a serial killer. Broadchurch has some great lady characters too.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:That's a pan-east asian thang though. Pffffft are you kidding? Hong Kong for the money (I guess that's mainland but  one country/two systems) and Taiwan for the democracy. All day every day.But yeah I'd argue that native Asians are probably the most discriminatory in general as things stand in the modern day. Hooo boy do they have some interesting ideas about redheaded women in particular. They're the ultimate trophies. An Irish friend was a deparment manager at a well-known aerospace manufacturer back in Europe and was emphatically not allowed to give any instructions at all to the Korean team. When she did, the Koreans would actually look at her male subordinates for a final yea or nay while she was still in the room. There's also a persistent belief over there that Koreans/Japanese/whoever are the superior people group. And that's not racist you see. It's just science. Why haven't other scientists confirmed these findings? Well obviously you can't expect them to be as perceptive as scientists who are Korean/Japanese/whoever! For some reason this attitude is somewhat less common in China.
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stone cold posted:Hey, comrades! Sister marches in New Zealand went well and got very positive press coverage.
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I take a very early am commuter train to work (~5:00am) and the station is usually empty. Today it was jam-packed with women going to Washington, all talking about the march tomorrow--like rush-hour-level amounts of people. It was cool.
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In a small town on the other side of the world...
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slinkimalinki posted:In a small town on the other side of the world...
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slinkimalinki posted:In a small town on the other side of the world... This makes me feel heartened, thank you for sharing 
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stone cold posted:This makes me feel heartened, thank you for sharing We did it so you would know you're not alone. And vice versa.
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Courtesy of a friend, if you're at a march tomorrow: quote:Be safe and smart!  An ACLU resource for D.C. goons.
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I also heard that if you aren't leadership to whatever organization you're supporting (if there is even a specific one), don't talk to the press. Direct them to leadership or find out if there's something specific you should be saying if a mic and a camera get stuck in your face
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I can do a massive effortpost about women and men in Japan from like the 1800's to the modern day if anyone is interested in that derail. Doing a Japan and race thing in Negrotown at the moment
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yes, I think the thing that sums up the horrors of hospital birth best is the existence of the "daddy stitch," where the doctor sews up the woman's vaginal opening smaller than it naturally would be, without consulting her, just so her partner can have the pleasure of ripping it open.  This is so horrifying on so many levels. So what over here would be considered unprofessional, unethical and end up with the doctor facing multiple charges, losing his job and hopefully in prison, is actually a thing in the Land of the Free? This is disgusting! If a doctor asked me to consent to this thing being done to my partner, I'd commit straight-up murder. I would just grab his dumb-rear end stereoscope and strangle that motherfucker. Seriously, I can not get over this, it's like something out of a horror movie. To be honest, if SA hadn't made me numb and cynical to human assholery, I'd not believe this.
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This post talks about sexual assault among doctors in some detail. Do not click the spoiler/links if you are sensitive to issues of sexual assault. This is the psychotic country where doctors who actively rape and molest patients, nurses and other coworkers continue to practice unpunished because we don't have enough doctors to replace them if they were fired and punished. There was a big article about how fundamentally broken the doctor establishment is with regards to treatment of female patients and staff and how rampant and unreported and unaddressed sexual assault and harassment is and will continue to be because nobody cares. Like, doctors carving their initials into patients while they were under anesthetic because they thought she was hot, or other such insanity, and still being allowed to practice afterwards with no meaningful punishment. Edit: http://doctors.ajc.com/doctors_sex_abuse/?ecmp=doctorssexabuse_microsite_nav http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/sexual-assault-by-doctors Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Lightning Knight posted:This post talks about sexual assault among doctors in some detail. Do not click the spoiler/links if you are sensitive to issues of sexual assault. What the gently caress?!! Those should all be in prison, how hosed up is your legal system that criminals can just go "There aren't enough people working in my profession, you can't convict me!"
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