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Chilichimp posted:Ever consider probating someone until they cool off? TB actually does contribute to discussion, maybe just not to this one which has become a discussion about your demodding of KM. Agreed, TB is a pretty good poster usually. I've learned a fair amount from Her and KM in this and a few other D&D threads.
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flashman posted:Just because someone in the clique reports a post doesn't force you to click probate. It is pretty obvious when someone is being a poo poo stirrer or is drive by poo poo posting in most threads, especially when they are active in them. What is this clique you are talking about?
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flashman posted:Just because someone in the clique reports a post doesn't force you to click probate. How old are you? This isn't middle school.
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Lowtax posted:Sorry, like before, I don't know or care about the skin color or genders of people on here (then you guys started making fun of me with the "I DONT SEE SKIN COLOR" references) Yeah they're making fun of you for saying such patently ridiculous things when you're reaching in to take direct action regarding the negrotown, feminism, and misogynoir threads. I hope you can see why such information might be relevant context in this situation?
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Chilichimp posted:I think we see the difference of opinion re:modding style. In hindsight I agree. I should've been the authoritarian SJW Black Supremacist they say I am. But honestly I truly do care about D&D, which is why I want it to be a place where people can debate & discuss without racism, sexism, anti-lgbt poo poo, and general degenerates.
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Isn't "I don't see skin color" right up there with "I'm not racist, but..."?
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Lowtax I think that there is no good way to moderate D&D because having an uptight tone-moderated political forum on a site like this, especially if modern GBS is sort of the ideal of the site, is fruitless. Koalas March seems to do a pretty good job at avoiding the worst type of cat lady bans while still trying to keep a civil discussion going, which I think is about the best you're going to manage in here. Edit km comes off like an sjw and a dick a lot because seemingly we're as a society unable to perceive anyone as anything but that or a ranting klansman anymore because the internet has broken the entire society and flooded real life. shovelbum fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Koalas March posted:In hindsight I agree. I should've been the authoritarian SJW Black Supremacist they say I am. Man, see, those are all legit viewpoint that are also worthy of resp....... HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA, I can't even finish typing that sentence. Jesus Christ, what a stupid forums derail this has become.
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Isn't "I don't see skin color" right up there with "I'm not racist, but..."? well yeah but i was trying to ease into it mate
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Lowtax posted:Sorry, like before, I don't know or care about the skin color or genders of people on here (then you guys started making fun of me with the "I DONT SEE SKIN COLOR" references) The things is this is all well and fine when you're dealing with most of the rest of the site. Opinions and posts about movies, video games, tv shows, sports, or whatever should be gender and race apathetic as long as they aren't dealing with those specific aspects. But here where we're talking about politics, society, and the events of things that affect people then they are important issues. These are things that have been used and are still used as a way of quelling opposition or silencing those that might say something that the Power That Is doesn't like, or overly promoting them as 'One of the Good Ones' when the Power That Is does like it.
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Koalas March posted:In hindsight I agree. I should've been the authoritarian SJW Black Supremacist they say I am. Yeah, would have made the Taxman more money if you had just banned people 
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I'm really disappointed to see KM demodded. She did a great job, and genuinely seems interested in elevating the discussion. When I had my spat with negromancer, she and TB were extremely patient over PMs explaining to me where I had some racial blinders on, and I'm grateful to both of them for helping me expand my perspective. So I hope you reconsider, Lowtax, because all racial issues or other emotionally fraught issues aside, she's just a flat-out good mod. Obviously, I understand that you want the mods to represent the forums in a way that you like, and you have every right to insist upon that - you own the drat place, after all. But you could talk to her about it before you demod her, right? See if you can reach an understanding, or whatever?
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Isn't "I don't see skin color" right up there with "I'm not racist, but..."? I think what lowtax is saying is that he doesn't care if a poster is a sex/race, not that he doesn't see them. But I mean, in this, the D&D sub-forum, where we discuss politics, political identity, et al; those seems like important things to give a poo poo about.
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Majorian posted:I'm really disappointed to see KM demodded. She did a great job, and genuinely seems interested in elevating the discussion. When I had my spat with negromancer, she and TB were extremely patient over PMs explaining to me where I had some racial blinders on, and I'm grateful to both of them for helping me expand my perspective. Yeah, about that. fatherdog posted:I would have addressed this in the mod forums, but you stopped responding to me. Since you're now actively misrepresenting the conversation that took place there, I don't feel I can trust you to be honest with posters regarding anything I say there, either. So - This is why having any thread at all about airing laundry from behind the scenes is bad in general. It should either be viewable to begin with so nobody can be accused of filtering a discussion or nobody should talk about it outside that area. Some Pinko Commie fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Koalas March posted:In hindsight I agree. I should've been the authoritarian SJW Black Supremacist they say I am. 
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I genuinely thought KM was a good mod for her short time on the team. I know there aren't any hard and fast rules for how mods are chosen, but it seems to me like having someone who is respected by a good chunk of the forum as a Good Poster would be a no-brainer for mod. It's very disappointing to me to see this happen, and I hope the decision gets reversed.
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Chilichimp posted:Ever consider probating someone until they cool off?
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It's pretty sad that black people can't even have a thread to post in in peace. I mean the internet is very vast you see. But no. Not one thread.
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Koalas March posted:In hindsight I agree. I should've been the authoritarian SJW Black Supremacist they say I am. So basically you're Barack Obama is what I'm seeing here
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:It's pretty sad that black people can't even have a thread to post in in peace. I mean the internet is very vast you see. But no. Not one thread. I don't think this thread is going anywhere?
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Isn't "I don't see skin color" right up there with "I'm not racist, but..."?
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Fluffdaddy posted:I don't think this thread is going anywhere? the posters in it are though
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Lowtax posted:Okay let me repeat this again: I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ETHNICITY OR GENDER PEOPLE ARE ON HERE BECAUSE I DO NOT ASK AND WHEN PEOPLE BUY AN ACCOUNT, I DO NOT REQUIRE THEM TO INFORM ME OF THEIR RACE, SKIN COLOR, SEXUALITY, GENDER, ETC ETC. All I see is the person's avatar. It is literally impossible for me to determine the race or gender of a person unless it's revealed in a post of theirs I have read. "I don't see skin color" is 100% true here because THERE IS NO RULE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO PREFACE EVERY POST WITH THEIR SKIN COLOR. As a black man, can I have my Goku back instead of this stupid red text. botany posted:the posters in it are though Why?
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Lowtax, I think a lot of us would feel better about your decision to demod KM if you could just point to three probations she made that you don't agree with and why. Give us solid reasons for your decision. That should be easy, right?
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Lowtax posted:Okay let me repeat this again: I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ETHNICITY OR GENDER PEOPLE ARE ON HERE BECAUSE I DO NOT ASK AND WHEN PEOPLE BUY AN ACCOUNT, I DO NOT REQUIRE THEM TO INFORM ME OF THEIR RACE, SKIN COLOR, SEXUALITY, GENDER, ETC ETC. All I see is the person's avatar. It is literally impossible for me to determine the race or gender of a person unless it's revealed in a post of theirs I have read. "I don't see skin color" is 100% true here because THERE IS NO RULE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO PREFACE EVERY POST WITH THEIR SKIN COLOR. FYI that person never posts here and was just trolling you
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Lowtax posted:Okay let me repeat this again: I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ETHNICITY OR GENDER PEOPLE ARE ON HERE BECAUSE I DO NOT ASK AND WHEN PEOPLE BUY AN ACCOUNT, I DO NOT REQUIRE THEM TO INFORM ME OF THEIR RACE, SKIN COLOR, SEXUALITY, GENDER, ETC ETC. All I see is the person's avatar. It is literally impossible for me to determine the race or gender of a person unless it's revealed in a post of theirs I have read. "I don't see skin color" is 100% true here because THERE IS NO RULE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO PREFACE EVERY POST WITH THEIR SKIN COLOR. the thing is a lot of the people that complain do see it and that's why that subset of complainers are complaining
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I'm going to nth that I thought that KM was a really good mod, and the presence of someone willing to actively monitor and steer these conversations really increased my participation on this forum. This thread and the feminism thread in particular were able to move to a really informative, interesting place due in no small part to her participation and being unafraid to use her powers.
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Lowtax posted:Okay let me repeat this again: I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ETHNICITY OR GENDER PEOPLE ARE ON HERE BECAUSE I DO NOT ASK AND WHEN PEOPLE BUY AN ACCOUNT, I DO NOT REQUIRE THEM TO INFORM ME OF THEIR RACE, SKIN COLOR, SEXUALITY, GENDER, ETC ETC. All I see is the person's avatar. It is literally impossible for me to determine the race or gender of a person unless it's revealed in a post of theirs I have read. "I don't see skin color" is 100% true here because THERE IS NO RULE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO PREFACE EVERY POST WITH THEIR SKIN COLOR. Context is key, given the thread this discussion is happening in. negromancer posted:WELCOME TO NEGROTOWN!
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ThePeavstenator posted:the thing is a lot of the people that complain do see it and that's why that subset of complainers are complaining And the people who do tend to attack others because of that are also the types that tend to remember/record such details.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:FYI that person never posts here and was just trolling you
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Out of the 19 days so far this month TB was probated for 15 of them. Including one from... hey look Koala's March.
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Okay how about this: Negrotown can have its own subforum, and KM can mod it.
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Yeah I don't particular like KM as a poster, but goodness knows that this thread, the feminism thread, and mysognoir need a mod who actually reads and participates in the thread, and her actually modding has been fine.
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Lowtax posted:Okay how about this: Negrotown can have its own subforum, and KM can mod it. hell yeah!
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Lowtax posted:Okay how about this: Negrotown can have its own subforum, and KM can mod it. What's the catch? EDIT: Only if it's literally named Negrotown and it's with the understanding that people post there at their own risk?
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Chilichimp posted:Including one from... hey look Koala's March. Nobody who gets probabted every other day for 3 months needs "cooling off time."
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