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timp posted:I'm not saying that a different game wouldn't be more fun, but they will never do that. It's way too hard of a sell. That and people seem to be confused about the point of the show. The point is to have fun and tell a good story. They don't care about playing the game well. Any switch to another system would mean they've become too concerned with playing 'correctly', and then it would be bogged down with them getting used to new rules. They've found a groove where they just barely play the surface level rules of D&D and it works exactly how they need it to.
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Varam posted:That's a really backwards argument. D&D is hardly ideal for the game that they run and they make it work just fine -- swapping to an even friendlier system is not necessary, but it would hardly be a disaster either. I agree, but they play it anyways because it is the D&D. Concessions are made because, well, that's-how-you-play this game. Explaining that, no, they're not playing the D&D that you've heard of before, but a different obscure tabletop game instead, would not play the way that the current podcast plays. I'm saying that I don't think it matters if a different game is actually better to listen to, or easier to play. They're playing D&D because it's D&D. Your grandma has heard of Dungeons and Dragons. A second playthrough may afford them some wiggle room with editions/rules, but like I said, I think it's rather unlikely.
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Raar_Im_A_Dinosaur posted:I'd appreciate examples of how the podcast could improve by switching systems. I don't know enough about these systems to visualize/imagine the difference. Season 2 of friends at the table, they switched from Mechnoir (which is based on a great system, just not one that lends itself well to fast-paced podcast storytelling) to The Sprawl. Oh i thought you were asking for an example of a podcast that improved by switching systems. Basically, D&D 5 is super unbalanced and lovely, and also supports lovely people. There are other systems out there designed to be much more mechanically lightweight and straitforward, while encouraging the players to contribute to the story as much as the DM does. Something like Fiasco, a good example of play being the Giant Beastcast's 2015 Christmas Special episode. timp posted:I agree, but they play it anyways because it is the D&D. Concessions are made because, well, that's-how-you-play this game. Explaining that, no, they're not playing the D&D that you've heard of before, but a different obscure tabletop game instead, would not play the way that the current podcast plays. this is loving awful reasoning, which is why it wouldn't surprise me if it's the reasoning griffin uses Alaois fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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They could literally be playing no real game at all and just randomly rolling dice and I doubt it would matter substantially to the majority of their listeners who only really are there for the fun characters, interesting story, and hilarious banter between Tres Horny Boys. Caring about the actual mechanics runs completely counter to the entire aesthetic they've constructed.
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DoctorWhat posted:what is your beef with griffin for real? For real? I used to think he was great, but over time I started getting annoyed at the lingo. It feels so incredibly forced and not natural at all. It put me off entirely. Like seriously, try listening to the Rose Buddies Max Fun commercial, and think about what it sounds like to someone who isn't ingrained in it already.
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Alaois posted:For real? I used to think he was great, but over time I started getting annoyed at the lingo. It feels so incredibly forced and not natural at all. It put me off entirely. Not this exactly, but I ended up having to stop listening to mbmbam because I start getting annoyed when I felt they'd play up their reactions too much. I understand it's good showmanship, but sometimes it just feels fake
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I am absolutely sure that they will never switch from DnD 5e except probably when they switch to DnD 6e. That being said, boy it sure would be nice if Magnus had abilities besides Hit Very Hard, Block Attack, and Hit Very Hard Again.Alaois posted:For real? I used to think he was great, but over time I started getting annoyed at the lingo. It feels so incredibly forced and not natural at all. It put me off entirely. That's pretty reasonable. I certainly get annoyed when people tell inside jokes that I'm not in on, and that feeling sometimes doesn't go away when I am in on it. However, not liking the way a guy talks is (imo) not a justification for saying something like... Alaois posted:this is loving awful reasoning, which is why it wouldn't surprise me if it's the reasoning griffin uses ... which is a straight up insult. Why so rude?
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ImPureAwesome posted:Not this exactly, but I ended up having to stop listening to mbmbam because I start getting annoyed when I felt they'd play up their reactions too much. I understand it's good showmanship, but sometimes it just feels fake I love the mcelboys and all these darn products they make but I can't listen to the Final Yahoo because when they fake laughing it hurts me.
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Ariong posted:I am absolutely sure that they will never switch from DnD 5e except probably when they switch to DnD 6e. That being said, boy it sure would be nice if Magnus had abilities besides Hit Very Hard, Block Attack, and Hit Very Hard Again. I'm sorry, I'm a rude person. That's a legitimate apology by the way, not a "heh, sorry you don't like me being an rear end in a top hat  " kind of thing. I really have to try to stop.
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I swear this exact same argument has happened like three times in this thread. It always ends with people who keep repeating how much better Dungeon World is than D&D, and Alaois yelling about role play mechanics and how much he hates the shows/the McElroys.
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:I swear this exact same argument has happened like three times in this thread. It always ends with people who keep repeating how much better Dungeon World is than D&D, and Alaois yelling about role play mechanics and how much he hates the shows/the McElroys. I like Justin
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Alaois posted:I'm sorry, I'm a rude person. That's a legitimate apology by the way, not a "heh, sorry you don't like me being an rear end in a top hat It's cool. I'm really happy that people are expressing Negative McElroy Opinions without it becoming a weird shitstorm of white knights and straw men. Super chill thread.  EDIT: welp greatn posted:I don't blame Griffin for shutting Travis down in TAZ because everytime he asks for an action Travis gives him like a five paragraph essay with about twenty different actions his character is going to take. That's a good point, but on the other hand, it is really funny when Travis tricks Griffin into letting him do something, and then does something insane. It's almost like he's compensating for usually being the boring one by cranking it up to eleven whenever he does get the chance to do something cool.
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I really doubt in any way that the brothers McElroy are faking their laughter on the podcast and I really don't know why people would think that
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Again, I am going to approach this from a position of complete honesty, the fact that they are using and seem committed to continue using D&D 5e has always and will always leave a bad taste in my mouth because of the people who were involved in the making of D&D 5e, even when I was a fan and regular listener of the Adventure Zone.
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everyone shut up about all that nerd poo poo* because someone on the Facebook group posted this https://soundcloud.com/shawlsmusic/thunderwall * I love TAZ but I'm like literally 3 or 4 arcs behind because it requires me to pay so much closer attention than most podcasts and I never feel like I have the effort to listen 
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Alaois posted:Again, I am going to approach this from a position of complete honesty, the fact that they are using and seem committed to continue using D&D 5e has always and will always leave a bad taste in my mouth because of the people who were involved in the making of D&D 5e, even when I was a fan and regular listener of the Adventure Zone. I would be surprised if they were even aware of the drama behind the scenes of D&D 5e but even if they found out now I'd doubt they'd switch until the end of the campaign given how close to the finish we are.
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abraham linksys posted:everyone shut up about all that nerd poo poo* because someone on the Facebook group posted this LMFAO indeed!
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Alaois posted:I like Justin From the sounds of it they already have to put up with a lot of D&D purists every episode when the fudge something (for instance, casting times) so why the gently caress would they want to lean into rules even more by completely changing the rules of the entire game? If anything, they clearly want people to care less about the rules, and ironically enough, I think Justin is the biggest advocate of that. In other news, I had a night off tonight and in addition to regular screwing around, I was occasionally refreshing the Polygon channel hoping for some more Car Boys. Nothing yet... 
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Alaois posted:Again, I am going to approach this from a position of complete honesty, the fact that they are using and seem committed to continue using D&D 5e has always and will always leave a bad taste in my mouth because of the people who were involved in the making of D&D 5e, even when I was a fan and regular listener of the Adventure Zone. That dndrama is super loving gross
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flatluigi posted:I would be surprised if they were even aware of the drama behind the scenes of D&D 5e Well, two of them do write about games for a living. Granted it's video games, but I'd say they're a lot more likely than the average D&D player to know about it. Anyways, entirely because of this show I'm about to buy the intro kit Griffin used for the first adventure and DM it for my friends, having only played a few sessions of any tabletop roleplaying game before (to my friends' zero sessions). I'm sure some other edition is better in a bunch of nerd ways that I don't care about and I'm sure we'll all gently caress stuff up rules-wise despite our best efforts, and I don't really care much, because the reason I want to play it is the reason I like listening to the show: because it creates a structure for hilarious and dramatic make-em-ups with people I like. (And because I might get to kill my friends horribly.)
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timp posted:From the sounds of it they already have to put up with a lot of D&D purists every episode when the fudge something (for instance, casting times) so why the gently caress would they want to lean into rules even more by completely changing the rules of the entire game? If anything, they clearly want people to care less about the rules, and ironically enough, I think Justin is the biggest advocate of that. Because if the rules are simpler, there will be less to memorize and they won't mess them up, meaning they're more free to do whatever they want. Even if that weren't the case there's no reason they couldn't play it fast and loose on any other system. You're arguing for sticking with D&D rules by saying D&D rules are bad. I'm not saying they should change, cause I don't think it matters the much either way, but D&D is clearly hampering the podcast even with a loose play style. mikeycp posted:That dndrama is super loving gross Got a link? I'm not aware of the drama.
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flatluigi posted:I really doubt in any way that the brothers McElroy are faking their laughter on the podcast and I really don't know why people would think that Obviously I don't know for sure and I guess it's subjective, but it definitely comes across that way to me occasionally. Not every goof can be gold, but sometimes I feel they overdue trying to make it feel like it is. Again, it's good showmanship in that it's an implicit 'yes, and', keeps the shows energy up, and supports each other, and stuff like that, and don't blame them, but it felt a little much and took a break from the show ImPureAwesome fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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da beeper king BABY posted:Got a link? I'm not aware of the drama. I am currently waiting on a link to a blog post that goes into detail about everything but the gist is D&D 5e has special consultancy credits for Zak Sabbath aka Zak S and a guy named TheRPGPundit, both of whom are massive serial abusers of anybody who they consider to be "the wrong kind of gamer" and Zak S especially has a long history of doxxing and stalking/harassing trans people out of the hobby. When confronted with this, the project lead/lead designer of 5e, Mike Mearls, went on Google+ and privately assured the two that nothing would happen and that he has their back. e: got the link http://failforward.co.uk/post/93348768153/how-dungeons-and-dragons-is-endorsing-the-darkest
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showbiz_liz posted:Well, two of them do write about games for a living. Granted it's video games, but I'd say they're a lot more likely than the average D&D player to know about it. Different editions of D&D are good at doing different things, though 5e is far and away the best for a beginning group. The further back in time you go, the more D&D's strength moves away from "facilitates an easy to learn game and speedy experience" and moves towards "is the tabletop gaming equivalent of doing whippets"
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timp posted:There she is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uEGQnYCdg8 beamng.drive is the best game ever made
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inthesto posted:Different editions of D&D are good at doing different things, though 5e is far and away the best for a beginning group. The further back in time you go, the more D&D's strength moves away from "facilitates an easy to learn game and speedy experience" and moves towards "is the tabletop gaming equivalent of doing whippets" Basic's better at that because it takes like 10 minutes to roll a character as opposed to the nightmare of pointless choices that is Post 2E character creation. But basics a really bad game unless you wanna play specifically D&D but nethack where you die a lot and to basically everything.
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Alaois posted:Like seriously, try listening to the Rose Buddies Max Fun commercial, and think about what it sounds like to someone who isn't ingrained in it already. Try listening to literally any MaxFun ad, they're all complete garbage
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greatn posted:I don't blame Griffin for shutting Travis down in TAZ because everytime he asks for an action Travis gives him like a five paragraph essay with about twenty different actions his character is going to take. Meanwhile, Justin (and occasionally Clint) get to throw out spells they COULD have and Griffin's like "you probably didn't have that ready but it would be fun to let you do it so go ahead". He rarely shuts spellcasters down because spells/effects make for good radio and he can twist them to convey information he wants to get out there (via blink, or detect magic, etc). That's cool for them but I feel bad for Travis. A happy (podcast) player is more likely to be a more entertaining one, after all. If the campaign ends and they'd consider a new system, I'd say just pick literally anything else that puts all the players on more or less equal footing, now that they all have experience. Ideally, a system that encourages cinematic actions/stunting since that's what they obviously like, and listeners seem to as well. As an off-the-cuff pull of a system I've read but not played, Feng Shui could be loads of fun for them. Anything that lets someone like Travis approach things as "I put ranks in Being Batman, so I'm gonna Be Batman at this problem in the following way..." would be an improvement, to my mind. I had mentioned a supers campaign earlier upthread because I think it's something a lot of people might have an easier time with running narratively, and because the genre intrinsically allows for shifting/smudging character classes/concepts (Spiderman gets the Venom suit for this arc, etc.) and it's also oriented around having discrete plot arcs which makes for good radio.
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