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Neurolimal posted:Go a little further back. It's really difficult to miss the multi-page chat about egypt and who "deserves" to claim Egypt's history. It got to a point where Blackguy32 was pleading for people to actually talk about black issues instead. The discussion I'm talking about happened on page 124 (before the flood of shitposting because how dare this thread be converted to a sub-forum). When did your discussion happen because I'm not finding it when running searches for the word "Egypt" going back prior to that (I gave up when I got back to page 90).
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OgreNoah posted:That would be true if people wandering into the thread weren't purposefully arguing in bad faith constantly. Debate is completely pointless when one party has their fingers in their ears going la la la. As someone who dissented in good faith, was candid about embarassing moments in my families history in an attempt to relate, and tried to leverage my own oppression to show that I wasn't trying to be adversarial, and got yelled at and the mod-of-the-time casually being bigoted @ me, you're kind of deluding yourself if you believe everyone who disagreed in the thread was doing so in bad faith. I genuinely 100% dont care about the probations, I like having a long rap sheet. I'm more concerned with a thread claiming to be representative of black posters not questioning or calling out homophobia because it was made by 'their' mod. Mainly because I feel it does a disservice to black representation.
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Jan 20, 2017 16:20
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teen witch posted:Better fuckin' days with that wackadoo than this garbage. I remember there being some discussion about hoteps in the Misogynoir thread, but nothing explicitly about black people trying to appropriate arab culture or whatever the gently caress Neuroliminal is on about.
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Jan 20, 2017 16:20
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SealHammer posted:The way you deal with shitheads in a debate is by out-debating them. I thought this was a given. Making an echo chamber because you don't know how to handle conflict is antithetical to the spirit of a discussion forum. If you don't take the bad with the good, your ideas trend in one direction and become incestuous rather quickly (see: US Democrat Primaries thread) Debating only works when the other party is actually willing to listen and be educated. Many people in this thread have tried just that only to get concern trolled, tone policed or drive-by poo poo posted. And again, this situation didn't happen because of the black posters surreptitiously organizing a "safe space" in D&D. We got sequestered to Negrotown after being told that black experiences aren't germane to x, y or z.
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Jan 20, 2017 16:21
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Jack Trades posted:Now, I don't visit C-Spam but I'm pretty sure that they don't have a rule telling you that you'll get banned if you don't leave when one of these "white middle class weedlords" asks you to leave. I dunno I've eaten a ton of bullshit 6ers for breaking that rule, unwritten though it may be. Then again I also didn't go whining to lowtax like a little child because I knew I was stirring poo poo.
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Jan 20, 2017 16:22
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Prude posted:Uh could you not quote me in "bad faith" please, I was trying to have a serious moment in here before, but after the cold reception I've been leaving it well enough alone. The premise of this thread is 'black posters' (or whoever claims to be one) feelings are more important than yours. Have fun (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 20, 2017 16:23
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I remember there being some discussion about hoteps in the Misogynoir thread, but nothing explicitly about black people trying to appropriate arab culture or whatever the gently caress Neuroliminal is on about. It was about claiming that Anicent Egyptians were black.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I remember there being some discussion about hoteps in the Misogynoir thread, but nothing explicitly about black people trying to appropriate arab culture or whatever the gently caress Neuroliminal is on about. biracial bear for uncut posted:The discussion I'm talking about happened on page 124 (before the flood of shitposting because how dare this thread be converted to a sub-forum). When did your discussion happen because I'm not finding it when running searches for the word "Egypt" going back prior to that (I gave up when I got back to page 90). https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796995&userid=32136 Here's where the conversation started. It's very representative of the state of the thread pre-subforum, in that there really is a lit of great and informative posts...and then a lot of hysterics when someone disagrees.
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Vanderdeath posted:Debating only works when the other party is actually willing to listen and be educated. Many people in this thread have tried just that only to get concern trolled, tone policed or drive-by poo poo posted. Yeah, we talked about different perspectives in good faith in USPOL and asked "Hey, maybe do a bit with the drive by posting issue?" and uh, thats how Negrotown got started. All we asked for was a bit more moderation in USPOL, not any of this.
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Fados posted:The premise of this thread is 'black posters' (or whoever claims to be one) feelings are more important than yours. Have fun The premise is this revolutionary idea that black people have feelings.
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Vanderdeath posted:Debating only works when the other party is actually willing to listen and be educated. Teaching is tonally different from debating. Teaching has the premise that you know more than your "student". If you go into every debate (and most people in these forums do) with that same premise then the people you're talking too shut down pretty quick.
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zegermans posted:I dunno I've eaten a ton of bullshit 6ers for breaking that rule, unwritten though it may be. Then again I also didn't go whining to lowtax like a little child because I knew I was stirring poo poo. Oh no, 6 hour probations! 
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Jan 20, 2017 16:26
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It was about claiming that Anicent Egyptians were black. So the part where it was true, citing specific dynasties, is being ignored? Neurolimal posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796995&userid=32136 Are you sure you posted the right link? Nothing in there is about the topic you claim it is about.
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Rakosi posted:Teaching is tonally different from debating. Teaching has the premise that you know more than your "student". If you go into every debate (and most people in these forums do) with that same premise then the people you're talking too shut down pretty quick. A black person in America probably knows more about being black in America than a white person though?
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Fados posted:The premise of this thread is 'black posters' (or whoever claims to be one) feelings are more important than yours. Have fun Thinking this should be a perfect example of where your problems lie, eqeta.
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esto es malo posted:Just saying the posts explaining what happened will be heavily abbreviated and the whole story is real good. I can pm you later today if you're still interested Sadly, I don't have PMs. I appreciate the offer though.
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Rakosi posted:Teaching is tonally different from debating. Teaching has the premise that you know more than your "student". If you go into every debate (and most people in these forums do) with that same premise then the people you're talking too shut down pretty quick. Dude, they're black people. Who is going to know more about black people issues than black people, you?
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biracial bear for uncut posted:So the part where it was true, citing specific dynasties, is being ignored? Woops, I hit ? Instead of #, here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796995&pagenumber=111&perpage=40#post468309243
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Jan 20, 2017 16:29
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:A black person in America probably knows more about being black in America than a white person though? Yeah I agree obviously. So stop pretending you're "debating" then.
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Hey KM are you gonna drop the banhammer soon we only have like an hour of Obama's presidency left
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Rakosi posted:Teaching is tonally different from debating. Teaching has the premise that you know more than your "student". If you go into every debate (and most people in these forums do) with that same premise then the people you're talking too shut down pretty quick. If a person is unwilling to listen to the experiences of black people in a designated black people thread then I'm going to assume they're just here to stir up some trouble. The posters in the thread run the gamut of black people in America and some abroad, so it's not like we're some sort of monolithic organization attempting to shut down outside influence either.
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Jan 20, 2017 16:32
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Rakosi posted:Yeah I agree obviously. So stop pretending you're "debating" then. Believe it or not there's debate that can happen beyond carefully explaining racism 101 for the thousandth time.
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Fados posted:The premise of this thread is 'black posters' (or whoever claims to be one) feelings are more important than yours. Have fun No, the premise of the thread is educating people about American PoC's culture and experiences, and not tolerating shitheads who want to dump on that premise.
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Vanderdeath posted:If a person is unwilling to listen to the experiences of black people in a designated black people thread then I'm going to assume they're just here to stir up some trouble. The posters in the thread run the gamut of black people in America and some abroad, so it's not like we're some sort of monolithic organization attempting to shut down outside influence either. And, again, none of this would have been necessary if the discussion could have taken place in USPOL as was originally intended. This whole thing is an unnecessary shitshow.
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Neurolimal posted:As someone who dissented in good faith, was candid about embarassing moments in my families history in an attempt to relate, and tried to leverage my own oppression to show that I wasn't trying to be adversarial, and got yelled at and the mod-of-the-time casually being bigoted @ me, you're kind of deluding yourself if you believe everyone who disagreed in the thread was doing so in bad faith. A few quick tips: "Leveraging your own oppression" is probably not the best way for a white person to try to relate to people of color. Calling out KM for being "bigoted" at you is literally accusing her of "reverse racism". Perhaps at some point you will understand why this is a bad thing that makes people (regardless of race) angry with you. And finally, perhaps actual black people are more qualified to determine the way the should represent themselves than a white person is. If you want to start a separate thread for arguing about the correct way that black people should correctly represent themselves, either politically or on the forums, make one. Please stop posting here. Tobermory fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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Neurolimal posted:Woops, I hit ? Instead of #, here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796995&pagenumber=111&perpage=40#post468309243 Yeah, sorry, there is still no appropriation there. A simple google search about the Black Pharoahs will give you National Geographic articles and all sorts of other sources backing up that yes, there were actually black egyptians and yes, they did rule that country and build pyramids.
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Neurolimal posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796995&userid=32136 Could you maybe quote the "hysterics?" It sure looks like people were debating and discussing, and had some different viewpoints that didn't exactly agree, but as far as I can see nobody melted down and started spamming pics of white kids in blackface or anything like that.
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Tobermory posted:A few quick tips: The point was to show that I also suffered from prejudice and apathetic moderates. quote:Calling out a KM for being "bigoted" at you is literally accusing her of "reverse racism". Perhaps at some point you will understand why this is a bad thing that makes people (regardless of race) angry with you. If you know so little about the topic that you're referring to the wrong mod involved, maybe its a good idea to start reading or taking opposingposts in good faith?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:It was about claiming that Anicent Egyptians were black. Plenty of ancient Egyptians were black though, that whole conversation started when someone freaked out over Eddie Murphy playing a pharaoh in a Michael Jackson music video because "Pharaoh's arent  black! "
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SealHammer posted:The way you deal with shitheads in a debate is by out-debating them. I thought this was a given. No, I'm sorry but this is a loving fantasy. The shitheads in question aren't going into a debate convinced the best ideas will win, they're doing it because it's a platform for their shithead ideas.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Yeah, sorry, there is still no appropriation there. A simple google search about the Black Pharoahs will give you National Geographic articles and all sorts of other sources backing up that yes, there were actually black egyptians and yes, they did rule that country and build pyramids. That's one dynasty that lasted less than a century. "Ancient Egypt" covers a span of three thousand years.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:That's one dynasty that lasted less than a century. "Ancient Egypt" covers a span of three thousand years. Man they really got poo poo done then if they built world's tallest building for 3,800 years! I'm sure you were meaning to imply that it's amazing how great this dynasty was, and weren't trying to minimize them at all!
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Yeah, sorry, there is still no appropriation there. A simple google search about the Black Pharoahs will give you National Geographic articles and all sorts of other sources backing up that yes, there were actually black egyptians and yes, they did rule that country and build pyramids. 420 Gank Mid posted:Plenty of ancient Egyptians were black though There are black skinned pharaohs. They are egyptian. Trevor Noah actually had some good standup on this topic, where he first came to america and a black american was talking to him like he was hispanic. He corrected him and pointed out that he was african, and he started saying stuff like "oh man you're from the homeland respect man i always wanted to know my roots y'know". IIRC he equated it to white americans with nothing in relation culturally to native americans taking a faint strain of blood relation to start wearing feathers and loin cloths. It's a weird yearning for other countries' culture, rather than embracing ones own rich history.
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Vanderdeath posted:Debating only works when the other party is actually willing to listen and be educated. Many people in this thread have tried just that only to get concern trolled, tone policed or drive-by poo poo posted. But nobody forced posters to only post in the "blackness" thread when they wanted to discuss identity politics. The relevance of identity politics in any given issue is something that is going to be debated, and you have to be prepared to debate it at length if you bring it up. That's the nature of discourse.
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Tobermory posted:Calling out a KM for being "bigoted" at you is literally accusing her of "reverse racism". Perhaps at some point you will understand why this is a bad thing that makes people (regardless of race) angry with you. Hahaha awesome. This forum is going places fast
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Neurolimal posted:The point was to show that I also suffered from prejudice and apathetic moderates. Again....a white person demonstrating that they have also suffered from prejudice is not the best way for them to try to relate to people of color. And I have, in fact, read your posts. I apologize for assuming that you were referring to this probation for shitposting in this thread: Neurolimal posted:*stoically gazes back at the king and his army as sad bagpipes begin to play* nein, tyrante Rather than to this probation for shitposting in this thread: Neurolimal posted:The OP also says to relax, and if you do then you may find that you can still talk about black issues just fine in spite of me lurking, like you have before.
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SealHammer posted:But nobody forced posters to only post in the "blackness" thread when they wanted to discuss identity politics. The relevance of identity politics in any given issue is something that is going to be debated, and you have to be prepared to debate it at length if you bring it up. That's the nature of discourse. They actually did force posters to do just that, by punishing them when they discussed it elsewhere.
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teen witch posted:Egypt and Africa might be a cool topic to discuss in a totally other thread! So now that this is a subforum, is this thread supposed to be the "USA Black people thread" and another the "international black thread"?
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