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tadashi posted:Bernie Bros also became an image issue for him in some areas. Do you really think a middle class black woman whose fought her whole life to get where she is wants this guy to tell her who to vote for? Imagine I posted this same thing with a picture of David Brock or that loving twat from the fight song video There are goofy-looking hipster douchebags in every political philosophy, I don't see what that has to do with the political opinions of middle class black women
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I'm just glad that I got a brand new migf pm on this, the day of trump
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Business Gorillas posted:I'm just glad that I got a brand new migf pm on this, the day of trump I got one of those the other day. Is that dude mentally ill or something?
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Business Gorillas posted:I'm just glad that I got a brand new migf pm on this, the day of trump so did I. gently caress you, MIGF
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Jan 20, 2017 21:41
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loquacius posted:or that loving twat from the fight song video
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Hot take: tatum and migf are the same person, but on and off their meds respetively.
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Alter Ego posted:I got one of those the other day. Is that dude mentally ill or something? this is your brain on deep dish
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Zhulik posted:Hot take: tatum and migf are the same person, but on and off their meds respetively. hey gently caress you wait which one am I
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Alter Ego posted:I got one of those the other day. Is that dude mentally ill or something? I think he spent so much time on his gimmick, it overwhelmed him and took over. Remember that TT quit his hilarious troll because he was worried by how easily it was starting to come to him, and how the character's reactions were popping into his head in everyday life. Though how a gimmick as tired and boring as MIGF's could do that, I don't pretend to know.
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Jan 20, 2017 21:56
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Negrostomper58 is a cautionary tale for us all.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:lol if you voted for Clinton in the general and didn't live in a swing state what if we voted Hillary in 2008 er, just hypothetically asking for a friend
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Main Paineframe posted:what if we voted Hillary in 2008 Well, Hillary would have won the GE in '08, and Obama would have won the GE in '16 so the question here is: Hillary's 2016 presidency would have been basically a continuation of Obama's '08 presidency in a lot of ways; if Hillary had won in 2008, would her presidency have been considerably worse than his was, and if so would Obama '16 have been basically a continuation of Hillary's '08 presidency? (My guesses are yes and no respectively)
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Jan 20, 2017 22:10
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Bernie would have won.
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Business Gorillas posted:I'm just glad that I got a brand new migf pm on this, the day of trump You too, haha
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tadashi posted:Bernie Bros also became an image issue for him in some areas. Do you really think a middle class black woman whose fought her whole life to get where she is wants this guy to tell her who to vote for? replace this image with literally anybody at all in the Hillary campaign, including Hillary herself, and the exact same message applies Hillary's black outreach in the general consisted of getting Jay-Z and Beyonce to yell about her lol
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Jan 20, 2017 22:21
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loquacius posted:Well, Hillary would have won the GE in '08, and Obama would have won the GE in '16 it probably would have been worse just because she doesn't have near Obama's charm to smooth public opinion out, but I don't think actual events would have really gone much worse than they did, but then we're just in alt-history nonsense turf when we start talking about that. Obama would probably be hailed as a more progressive version of her while still being mostly in line, so that would have helped a lot. Plus if things went different then we'd have to also remember Trump literally ran for president off the political goodwill he got for calling Obama a lying African racist so without that no Trump 2016
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I feel like Hillary probably wouldn't have squandered the Dems' big advantage in the first couple of years, and she wouldn't have decimated leftist enthusiasm the way Obama did when he cast off his campaign persona and revealed the ineffectual centrist beneath Policy-wise she was to the right of Obama, but no one ever expected anything else from her - she was a known quantity. people don't talk much about it nowadays, but the left really had their hopes up for Obama and it was a big deal when he turned out to disappoint them. Also I feel she wouldnt have been paralyzed in the face of GOP obstructionism for nearly as long, and probably would have been able to handle Congress a little better in general there are all just, like, my opinions though
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Also I doubt we'd have seen the rise of Bernie if Hillary had won in 08, so honestly I'll take Bernie becoming a public figure as the singular silver lining to this worst timeline hellscape void shithole apocalypse.
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Shinjobi posted:Also I doubt we'd have seen the rise of Bernie if Hillary had won in 08, so honestly I'll take Bernie becoming a public figure as the singular silver lining to this worst timeline hellscape void shithole apocalypse. yea the populist movement probably not taking a real shape hits both sides there.
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Jan 20, 2017 22:48
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Main Paineframe posted:Policy-wise she was to the right of Obama, but no one ever expected anything else from her - she was a known quantity. people don't talk much about it nowadays, but the left really had their hopes up for Obama and it was a big deal when he turned out to disappoint them. People don't talk about it much these days? This is arguably the sole reason that midwestern voters who previously voted for Obama voted for Trump.
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Bernie Sanders posted:Today is going to be a tough day for millions of Americans including myself. Our response has got to be not to throw up our hands in despair, not to give up, but in fact to fight back as effectively and as vigorously as we can. Our job is to keep our eyes on the prize, and the prize is that we will continue fighting for a government that represents all of us and not just the 1%. We're going to go forward in the fight for economic, social, environmental and racial justice. That's who we are. That's what we're going to do. We are not giving up. Bernie would a been a pretty cool president after he won.
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Main Paineframe posted:I feel like Hillary probably wouldn't have squandered the Dems' big advantage in the first couple of years, and she wouldn't have decimated leftist enthusiasm the way Obama did when he cast off his campaign persona and revealed the ineffectual centrist beneath It's hard to decimate something she probably would never have had, given that she was no better at campaigning in 2008 and no more an actual darling of the left then than she was this time around.
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Thoguh posted:Bernie would a been a pretty cool president after he won.
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Thoguh posted:Bernie would a been a pretty cool president after he won.
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is there any way to forcefully eject someone from the democratic party if they vote for devos because holy poo poo she is absolutely goddamn terrifying to me in a way none of trump's other picks are
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's hard to decimate something she probably would never have had, given that she was no better at campaigning in 2008 and no more an actual darling of the left then than she was this time around. nah, I meant that leftists would probably have continued to agitate for leftist policies and pressure Democrats from the left under Hillary the left basically disintegrated as a meaningful force during Obama's first term because they were so into the obamarama mania that they spent the first couple of years of his presidency in a mixture of nihilism and denial, either making excuses like "political capital" and "11th-dimensional chess" for his centrist behavior or just ranting about accelerationism no one ever mistook Hillary Clinton for a socialist, so the left would have remained as a meaningful political force ready to pressure the Dems from the beginning of her presidency, rather than getting pulled into the Obama personality cult and falling apart for a few years. progressives were defending and making excuses for Obama's centrism for a long time, and I don't think that would have happened under Hillary
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A clinton mandate in 08 would probably have been a slightly more liberal version of Bush at least abroad, she didn't really excite anyone and assuming the primary stayed largely the same, there's a chance she would have primarily appealed to very right wing parts of the dem base first. It didn't work now, after Palin was confirmed, it would likely have been enough to at least ensure a win if not a quasi-historic landslide. A lot of things that were kinda swallowed up by the Obama campaign on the dem left would probably still be agitating against her, even if it was more lukewarm than against Bush.
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Cubey posted:is there any way to forcefully eject someone from the democratic party if they vote for devos because holy poo poo she is absolutely goddamn terrifying to me in a way none of trump's other picks are It's the same old "Trump's pick for department of <thing> has a pathological hatred of <thing> and wants to destroy it" but in this case <thing> is our entire educational system so yeah that's pretty scary
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loquacius posted:It's the same old "Trump's pick for department of <thing> has a pathological hatred of <thing> and wants to destroy it" but in this case <thing> is our entire educational system so yeah that's pretty scary also trump's using the pick to curry favor with blackwater soooooo
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literally this big posted:Bernie would have won. 
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Main Paineframe posted:what if we voted Hillary in 2008 Palin probably would have resigned as VP after six months or so.
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Yinlock posted:also trump's using the pick to curry favor with blackwater soooooo remember when he said he'd drain the swamp
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Cubey posted:is there any way to forcefully eject someone from the democratic party if they vote for devos because holy poo poo she is absolutely goddamn terrifying to me in a way none of trump's other picks are no because Booker is gonna vote for her so loving hard and he'll still be there afterwards. My wife is from newtown and my mom was a public schoolteacher for 40 years, gently caress anyone on either side who votes for her.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Palin probably would have resigned as VP after six months or so. there was no way a dem could have lost the 2008 election with the crises hitting when it did.
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zegermans posted:there was no way a dem could have lost the 2008 election with the crises hitting when it did. There's no way Hillary could lose to Donald loving Trump! This is in the bag! He shouted as he slowly turned in to a corncob.
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tadashi posted:Bernie Bros also became an image issue for him in some areas. Do you really think a middle class black woman whose fought her whole life to get where she is wants this guy to tell her who to vote for? Ill be honest I don't think I get what's so bad about this picture. I guess the insinuation is that it's a well-groomed looking young white guy in a ragged denim jacket and an occupy button but I don't know anything about him beyond that. I guess they shouldn't be politically active? I mean more minority support is always good and Bernie had plenty of young ones, but I can't really fault young white millenials for liking Bernie, I'm one of them.
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Thoguh posted:There's no way Hillary could lose to Donald loving Trump! This is in the bag! He shouted as he slowly turned in to a corncob. To be fair, he has a point. The GOP campaign really poo poo the bed when they nominated Palin of all people and started acting like they were making a victory lap to a third term of Bush.
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