thrawn527 posted:You probably mean the J.W. Rinzler one, which is good, but if you want more about the different drafts, this book is a must read. The Secret History of Star Wars by Michael Kaminski. He poured over the various drafts of the first six movies (it was written in 2008), interviews with Lucas and Kurtz and Kasdan (and others), and published notes to put together a timeline of what Star Wars was at various times in it's history. It's amazing. I've sang it's praise in here various times, and summed up some crazy poo poo from it (like the original drafts of ROTJ), but it's universally accepted in the thread as the definitive history. Every once in a while I pick it up and read a random chapter. We were clearing out books recently, and my wife held it up and said, "This book has 4 bookmarks in it, so I'm guessing you want to keep it?" Just keep in mind this is (I believe) the only book this guy has ever written (it started as a PDF he posted on his website), so the writing is occasionally a little rough. Oh hey, It has a Kindle edition!
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Wheat Loaf posted:You can probably put that down to Grand Moff "Evacuate!? In our moment of triumph?" Tarkin being arrogant. Too, remember the Death Star IS more well-armed and carries more TIE fighters than any decent chunk of the Imperial fleet. It's not like conventional warships posed it any threat whatsoever.
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Yeah, it is a battle station after all. And this was something I wasn't totally onboard with in ROTJ. The Death Star II wasn't fully operational according to Rebel Intelligence. I guess that had to mean the regular defenses, not just the super laser because the plan for the capital ships to create a perimeter would involve serious losses if the regular turbolasers were working. But then they're all shocked when the superlaser fires as if that's the only weapon the Death Star II has. They never did get close enough with their caps though to engage with though so who cares.
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Jan 20, 2017 16:13
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Re: making of Star Wars, I was recently told that Lucas offered the director's chair for ROTJ to Frank Oz who turned him down because he was already directing The Muppets Take Manhattan. That doesn't seem especially likely to me but is there any possibility it might be true?
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Jan 20, 2017 16:32
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Canemacar posted:So, had a random thought. Why wasn't the death Star being escorted by the imperial fleet in ANH? You'd think it would at least have a couple Star destroyers hanging around, especially when they go to assault Yavin base. I thought Rogue One did a good job explaining it - they pulled it from pre-tests to active combat duty prematurely and before it was ready, including not waiting for the escort fleet and the thousands of TIEs supposed to be stationed there.
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I didn't think Rogue One really explained that though. The main superlaser was definitely untested but there was nothing about it being understaffed or under-equipped. At the time Rogue One had ended, the Death Star was reported to the Emperor as fully functional and ready for service. That's why the Emperor dissolved the Senate at the beginning of ANH and why Tarkin had the ceremony of destroying Alderaan to officially commission it.
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Doesn't mean it wasn't a rush job. The first combat operation it was put in over Scarif definitely was one, and it went right into capturing the Tantive IV, destruction of Alderaan and then the attack on Yavin 4. There can't be more than a few days between R1 and the trench run. Easily not enough time to assemble the planned fleet or get more than a token number of fighters on board. Especially if you think you are on a invincible battle station and don't really make it your priority to get another 20 Star Destroyers and an admiral over.
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Was the Death Star supposed to have an esort fleet though? I always thought that once it was operational and mobile, it didn't need any Star Destroyers to accompany it. Only reason the Devastator was there in ANH was because it was Vader's flagship at the time. The fleet was at Endor to give the impression that the Death Star II was not operational and to prevent the Rebellion from leaving.
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The empire doesn't view a small one person craft as a threat, otherwise it have a larger defense force. They literally state that in A New Hope, and considering the rebel fleet got trashed by three star destroyers in R1, hubris kicked in and the empire got overconfident. There is a real weird disparity between how R1 presents the Empire at its height as this overwhelming force of oppression, and yet still shows them losing massive casualties to individual opponents. I buy it in A New Hope because they are the heroes, but R1 wants to do an "everyone dies" story without losing the heroes racking up enormous body counts. I think Jyn kills more stormtroopers in a single fight on Jedha than Luke does throughout all of A New Hope. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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I really liked the KOTOR comic when it was coming out but must confess I've gone a wee bit cold on it since I gave it a re-read more recently. Not sure what it is exactly. It's still good, just not as good as I remember. I think Republic is still as good as it was the first time I read it, though. Maybe it's because TPM (which is when I started reading them) was just a bigger deal for me at the time than the KOTOR game was when it came out.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I really liked the KOTOR comic when it was coming out but must confess I've gone a wee bit cold on it since I gave it a re-read more recently. Not sure what it is exactly. It's still good, just not as good as I remember. Star Wars: Republic was and still is amazing. I only liked the first story arc of Star Wars: Empire. Never got into the KOTOR comic.
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Jan 20, 2017 23:20
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I never cared much for the Kotor comics main characters. I'd have preferred it to focus entirely on The Mandalorian Wars, aka the most interesting aspect of the Kotor time period.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The empire doesn't view a small one person craft as a threat, otherwise it have a larger defense force. *not counting all the Death Star personnel. It's believable that Jyn is racking up more of a kill count- she grew with Saw Guerrera, meanwhile Luke has been bulls eyeing womprats for 18 years.
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Jan 21, 2017 02:08
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tribbledirigible posted:*not counting all the Death Star personnel. Hey now, they're not much bigger than two meters!
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Arcsquad12 posted:I think Jyn kills more stormtroopers in a single fight on Jedha than Luke does throughout all of A New Hope. Pretty impressive considering his body count is in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. Actually, is there anyone in the new canon with a higher kill count?
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Canemacar posted:Pretty impressive considering his body count is in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. Tarkin
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Canemacar posted:Pretty impressive considering his body count is in the hundreds of thousands if not millions.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I really liked the KOTOR comic when it was coming out but must confess I've gone a wee bit cold on it since I gave it a re-read more recently. Not sure what it is exactly. It's still good, just not as good as I remember. I love Miller and the KOTOR comics are great, but there are some definite ups and downs. Some arcs are really memorable and neat to me (I always think about the comet mining slave divers) but others still feel weird and underbaked (the whole bit with the Draays). It would be interesting to go back to now, especially since I just read Saga last weekend and it feels way more similar to KOTOR than I ever would have expected.
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Popete posted:Tarkin Pssh. Those were team efforts.
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Do any of these companies make a decent Obi-Wan ANH saber that doesn't break the bank?
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Jan 21, 2017 08:59
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Now you need the backpack to plug it in to.
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sassassin posted:Now you need the backpack to plug it in to. 
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Man I loved how those comics made everything look both Star Warsy yet of a different time with clear signs of technical progression. Then Bioware had to come along and change it so the Galaxy has gone through zero changes for millennia.
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galagazombie posted:Man I loved how those comics made everything look both Star Warsy yet of a different time with clear signs of technical progression. Then Bioware had to come along and change it so the Galaxy has gone through zero changes for millennia. It is a shame they picked a more generic sterile look they've adopted, I did like the dark ages tech look of those comics until the artists got lazy and just copied Lord Of The Rings in the last of them. gently caress those dudes. The Mandolorian armor looked rougher, cruder almost like some sort of crab or insect shell rather than the smooth modern mercenary look.
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galagazombie posted:Man I loved how those comics made everything look both Star Warsy yet of a different time with clear signs of technical progression. Then Bioware had to come along and change it so the Galaxy has gone through zero changes for millennia. It's a mistake to look at The Old Republic as a historical period within the Star Wars Eps 1-VI chronology. It's a ridiculous fever dream of a setting where familiar imagery is smashed together into incomprehensible shapes that pervert all thematic and literal sense.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I really liked the KOTOR comic when it was coming out but must confess I've gone a wee bit cold on it since I gave it a re-read more recently. Not sure what it is exactly. It's still good, just not as good as I remember. Republic had some amazing storylines, especially once they got into the Clone Wars era and John Ostrander took more of a leading role. I still think that whether he admits it or not, Quinlan in Republic was his attempt to do a better version of Anakin from the prequels than Lucas did. Ostrander's Agent of the Empire was also amazing if sadly cut short. Megachile posted:I love Miller and the KOTOR comics are great, but there are some definite ups and downs. Some arcs are really memorable and neat to me (I always think about the comet mining slave divers) but others still feel weird and underbaked (the whole bit with the Draays). It would be interesting to go back to now, especially since I just read Saga last weekend and it feels way more similar to KOTOR than I ever would have expected. It's funny, I never connected KOTOR and Saga before but now that you mention it, I can definitely see the similarities. I also like the KOTOR comic a lot on the whole but there are aspects of it that do give me a bit of pause. I think Miller is on the whole a good writer but his dialogue tends to be a bit too much towards the constant quips that it seems like every genre work is nowadays. And the overall KOTOR plot suffers a bit near the end but I can give him a pass given that he expected it to go on for much longer but it got cut short at issue 50 and he had to hurriedly wrap things up. The KOTOR: War miniseries that came out afterwards was just terrible, though.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Where can I read / about Leigh Brackett's draft? You can read it here. The site has a ton of early drafts for ANH and the rough drafts of Empire and Jedi, but not much for the prequels (which are much more well documented already anyway).
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Do any of these companies make a decent Obi-Wan ANH saber that doesn't break the bank? Use the code ZERO17 for 10% off.
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If I was ever going to be that dorky I'd want one that looked like Rahn's/Kyle's first saber.
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Siivola posted:Depends on your bank, but: https://saberforge.com/collections/elite-sabers/products/redeemer That's, of course, Luke Skywalker's ROTJ saber (hence the Saberforge "plausible deniability" name Redeemer). This is Obi-Wan's: https://saberforge.com/collections/elite-sabers/products/avenger
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So Disney just announced the next film is titled The Last Jedi. Taking bets that Rey turns to the Dark Side and Kylo Ren ditches the First Order due to his instability. He'll get jealous of Snoke's focus on Rey and feels threatened that he will lose his authority.
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Legends novel or new film: you decide.  
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Arcsquad12 posted:So Disney just announced the next film is titled The Last Jedi. Jedi is singular or plural. "The Last Jedi" can refer to Luke and Rey as a whole.
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ImpAtom posted:Jedi is singular or plural. "The Last Jedi" can refer to Luke and Rey as a whole. I feel it will be Luke as the last Jedi, because doing another dramatic kill off of a major character won't work again. Rey will fall to the dark side, Ren will go rogue and team up with Luke out of mutual interest in stopping Snoke. Or something along those lines.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I feel it will be Luke as the last Jedi, because doing another dramatic kill off of a major character won't work again. Rey will fall to the dark side, Ren will go rogue and team up with Luke out of mutual interest in stopping Snoke. Or something along those lines. I really don't think they are going to turn their protagonist evil and replace her with the man who murdered Han Solo.
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Arcsquad12 posted:because doing another dramatic kill off of a major character won't work again All signs pointed to them killing Luke in an Obi-Wan fashion this movie until Carrie Fisher up and died and threw the plans for #9 into wild disarray, so
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:That's, of course, Luke Skywalker's ROTJ saber (hence the Saberforge "plausible deniability" name Redeemer).
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Siivola posted:No, that's Obi-Wan's prequel saber. Luke's saber (patterned after Obi-Wan's ANH one) is the Prodigal Son: https://saberforge.com/collections/elite-sabers/products/prodigal-son I stand corrected. 
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