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Elyv posted:my personal favorite batshit crazy conspiracy theory is The Phantom Time Hypothesis OH! I love this one too! I was just talking about it the other day!
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Elyv posted:my personal favorite batshit crazy conspiracy theory is The Phantom Time Hypothesis Hahaha yes that's the russian idiocy where the guy basically graphed the events of the last 1,000 years, then graphed 1,000 years of events from the bible & decided that those graphs are totaly the same note: iirc this also means that a lot of roman caesars were also russian czars without knowing it
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Jan 21, 2017 06:16
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Powaqoatse posted:Hahaha yes that's the russian idiocy where the guy basically graphed the events of the last 1,000 years, then graphed 1,000 years of events from the bible & decided that those graphs are totaly the same Nope, that is the equally but separately insane New Chronology.
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Jan 21, 2017 06:59
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FreudianSlippers posted:George Washington, the person, was long dead before some rando made up a fable about the idealized infaliable God-King George Washington being a perfect being that couldn't even lie as a child. Actually he had only been dead for a few months before Parson Weems published his bullshit instabook. Maybe people worked faster back then?
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Jan 21, 2017 07:06
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skasion posted:Nope, that is the equally but separately insane New Chronology. gently caress i shoulda known there are multiple weird chronologies but thx fwiw
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Jan 21, 2017 07:19
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skasion posted:Nope, that is the equally but separately insane New Chronology. "close to three centuries (AD 614 to 911)" hmm yes, this is clearly based on physics & math
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Jan 21, 2017 07:22
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skasion posted:Nope, that is the equally but separately insane New Chronology. I've actually never seen this one before, it's even better than phantom time.
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Jan 21, 2017 07:30
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Powaqoatse posted:"close to three centuries (AD 614 to 911)" hmm yes, this is clearly based on physics & math While the whole thing is obviously insane, the 297 years between those two dates are close enough to three centuries to me? 
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Jan 21, 2017 07:38
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Elyv posted:my personal favorite batshit crazy conspiracy theory is The Phantom Time Hypothesis Just for my own sake; the three major point of phantom time (lol even at the name) 1 there's no scarcity of archaelogical material between the curiously specific years 614–911. 2 romanesque architecture is obviously a tip of the hat to prior architects. even now architects make a choise to expand on a prior work, or make something new (the latter are purely poo poo, 100%) 3 the idiotic calendar claim is so convoluted that im kinda sure it actually disproves the lovely idea.
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Jan 21, 2017 07:39
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System Metternich posted:While the whole thing is obviously insane, the 297 years between those two dates are close enough to three centuries to me? this is true. i dont even know. my only excuse is that i hit the wrong result when i did the lovely meath in my lovely head
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Jan 21, 2017 07:42
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Powaqoatse posted:Just for my own sake; the three major point of phantom time (lol even at the name) There's also stuff like astronomical events such as eclipses and comets referenced prior to his timeskip that wouldn't make any sense with his calendar and non-European stuff happening during the years he said never happened; the rise of Islam being the notable one.
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Jan 21, 2017 08:02
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Powaqoatse posted:"close to three centuries (AD 614 to 911)" hmm yes, this is clearly based on physics & math They put “AD” before the number. They clearly know what they’re doing.
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Jan 21, 2017 08:05
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Baron Corbyn posted:There's also stuff like astronomical events such as eclipses and comets referenced prior to his timeskip that wouldn't make any sense with his calendar and non-European stuff happening during the years he said never happened; the rise of Islam being the notable one. i love that we can now combine astronomical & other observations, its fantastic imo. especially now, i think that pretty much anything made of wood in "olden" europe can be dated to when when the tree was felled. and we should all be glad that science was free in islam. algebra, algorithms, etc
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Jan 21, 2017 08:14
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Baron Corbyn posted:There's also stuff like astronomical events such as eclipses and comets referenced prior to his timeskip that wouldn't make any sense with his calendar and non-European stuff happening during the years he said never happened; the rise of Islam being the notable one. 
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Jan 21, 2017 09:03
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funmanguy posted:Also a shocking number of people believe New Zealand is real. Well, it's not on the map. 
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Jan 21, 2017 09:55
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America isn't real. All the media supposedly coming from America is faked in Europe to maintain the illusion. People that think they've traveled there are just drugged on Iceland and implanted with false memories. There are huge hangars near Reykjavik full of dozing tourists waiting to return home to Europe or wherever. Paid posters claim to be Americans in forums like these, but I can see through that crap.
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Jan 21, 2017 10:12
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Say Nothing posted:Well, it's not on the map. whats that lil foot tho is that my new zeland righ thre?
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Jan 21, 2017 10:12
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ISSAT NUZELLANDRIGHT THERR
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Jan 21, 2017 10:15
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Powaqoatse posted:ISSAT NUZELLANDRIGHT THERR It's pronounced Nuzild
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Jan 21, 2017 10:37
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Solice Kirsk posted:OH! I love this one too! I was just talking about it the other day! The Phantom time poo poo is hilarious bullshit but if you're trying to counter it with something one of the Plinys said in your wikipedia article you might as well just admit you're attacking bullshit with other bullshit
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Jan 21, 2017 11:01
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Say Nothing posted:Well, it's not on the map. Yet there are two Chukchi Peninsulas
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Jan 21, 2017 11:07
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cptn_dr posted:It's pronounced Nuzild soz bazza
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Jan 21, 2017 11:14
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Aesop Poprock posted:The Phantom time poo poo is hilarious bullshit but if you're trying to counter it with something one of the Plinys said in your wikipedia article you might as well just admit you're attacking bullshit with other bullshit But it's very easy to verify that a solar eclipse actually happened when Pliny (in this case) said it did. NASA's got that eclipse dated very accurately.
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Jan 21, 2017 11:23
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Kassad posted:But it's very easy to verify that a solar eclipse actually happened when Pliny (in this case) said it did. NASA's got that eclipse dated very accurately. Goddamnit science
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Jan 21, 2017 11:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPUo9whncMU&t=195s
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Jan 21, 2017 11:34
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So did Tintin have time travelling abilities or is this one of those central/northern European things where it's cool to portray the rest of the world as stereotypical savages in the 20th century
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Jan 21, 2017 11:44
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Powaqoatse posted:- Apparently there's a pretty persistent rumor among old people that Nelson Mandela died in prison. I've never heard the rumor, but it appears to be a thing for 40+-year olds ?! quote:- idk more of that I heard about this one conspiracy theory perpetuated by this Russian guy who insists that Freddie Mercury was 100% completely heterosexual and also a devout Christian and he was infected with AIDS by this gay conspiracy masterminded by Elton John to create a martyr for the Insidious Homosexual Agenda.
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Jan 21, 2017 12:01
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Aesop Poprock posted:So did Tintin have time travelling abilities or is this one of those central/northern European things where it's cool to portray the rest of the world as stereotypical savages in the 20th century It's from Prisoners of the Sun, where he meets a 'lost Incan civiliastion'. Tintin's not perfect by any means but from the Blue Lotus onward Herge is generally pretty realistic in his depiction of the contemporary 20th century world, with occasional digressions into 'lost magical tribe' territory. It's also something that crops up far and wide, not just in European work (although it's rooted in colonialism so Europe is certainly a huge influence on depicting other cultures in this way).
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Jan 21, 2017 12:32
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Tintin is basically the innocent ideal of colonialism, but he found a scrap of newspaper & realized the whole eclipse thing because he is so
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Jan 21, 2017 13:58
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Wheat Loaf posted:I heard about this one conspiracy theory perpetuated by this Russian guy who insists that Freddie Mercury was 100% completely heterosexual and also a devout Christian and he was infected with AIDS by this gay conspiracy masterminded by Elton John to create a martyr for the Insidious Homosexual Agenda. that is amazing im gonna assume that russian guy really lilked queen and really did not like elton john, like "i only listen to straight music" type of guy?
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Jan 21, 2017 14:00
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Powaqoatse posted:Tintin is basically the innocent ideal of colonialism, but he found a scrap of newspaper & realized the whole eclipse thing because he is so Apparently that scene is actually based on a real occurrence with Christopher Columbus when he was stranded in Jamaica. When the natives got pissed at him (because the Europeans cheated and robbed them), he looked at his astronomical charts and noticed that a lunar eclipse would be appearing. He went up to the local leader and pretended that God was angry with them for their "poor treatment" of the sailors and would make the moon appear inflamed with his wrath right as the eclipse was occurring, then went into his cabin and pretended to pray until the eclipse went away.
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Jan 21, 2017 15:16
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chitoryu12 posted:Apparently that scene is actually based on a real occurrence with Christopher Columbus when he was stranded in Jamaica. When the natives got pissed at him (because the Europeans cheated and robbed them), he looked at his astronomical charts and noticed that a lunar eclipse would be appearing. He went up to the local leader and pretended that God was angry with them for their "poor treatment" of the sailors and would make the moon appear inflamed with his wrath right as the eclipse was occurring, then went into his cabin and pretended to pray until the eclipse went away. doesn't that story exist for every single explorer and every single "savage peop" combination that you can think of though?
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Jan 21, 2017 15:26
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:America isn't real. All the media supposedly coming from America is faked in Europe to maintain the illusion. People that think they've traveled there are just drugged on Iceland and implanted with false memories. There are huge hangars near Reykjavik full of dozing tourists waiting to return home to Europe or wherever. Paid posters claim to be Americans in forums like these, but I can see through that crap. He knows
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Jan 21, 2017 15:39
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The Erdapfel is the oldest surviving terrestrial globe. Since it was made in 1492, it doesn't show the Americas:
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Jan 21, 2017 15:47
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Fun fact: Behaim couldn't know this (because he wouldn't know that potatoes existed) but “Erdapfel“ (lit. “Earth Apple“) would go on to become the word for potatoes in large parts of southern Germany and Austria, which is why I did a double-take when I read the globe's name for the first time I also really like the Swabian term for potato: “Grundbirne“ (=“ground pear“). Sadly it's now all swiftly being replaced by the Standard German “Kartoffel“, though, which in turn comes from the Italian “tartufolo“ (=“small truffle“)
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Jan 21, 2017 15:55
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System Metternich posted:Fun fact: Behaim couldn't know this (because he wouldn't know that potatoes existed) but “Erdapfel“ (lit. “Earth Apple“) would go on to become the word for potatoes in large parts of southern Germany and Austria, which is why I did a double-take when I read the globe's name for the first time There's a similar thing about oranges Most germanic languages call them some variation on "chinese apples"
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Jan 21, 2017 16:00
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Byzantine posted:The Erdapfel is the oldest surviving terrestrial globe. Since it was made in 1492, it doesn't show the Americas: “Let’s see. ‘Cipangu’ is Japan, and I know where Cape Verde is, so what’s that land plotted between them?” ”…just the phantom islands of Saint Brandan and Antillia.”
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Jan 21, 2017 16:08
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holy when you said "didnt show the americas" i didnt realize that it actually has Asia < ocean > Europe, no continent in between
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Jan 21, 2017 16:23
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Regarding Phantom Time/New Chronology, the idea that people were multiplying and distorting an accurate history isn't, actually, impossible (although yes these two are insane and stupid.) One historian has concluded that Khmer chronicles written circa 1800 describe the time after the fall of Angkor, about 1430-1580, but it's basically totally fictional. The historians felt they had to write something, but didn't have any traditions about this period and were imitating Thai culture.
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ya but also there are full wood-ring chronologies of like 3 types of trees back to like 20k years ago that match up with p much any historical source so i guess those systems just ignore it?
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