Auspol January 2017: relentless incoherence and incompetence.

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WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Doesn't one of their case's sort of rest on the fact that, 'lol my account was hacked,' was actually believed?

# ? Jan 21, 2017 06:54

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BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

it's cool that the hrc is blamed for a court case in which it's not involved

# ? Jan 21, 2017 07:13

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

I think it's important that wind power and renewable energy take their fair share of the blame for causing 18C, refugees and terrorism.

Also any so called "facts" aside I'm pretty sure this is all Labor's Fault [tm].

# ? Jan 21, 2017 07:23

blacksun: Mar 16, 2006; I told Cwapface not to register me with a title that said I am a faggot but he did it anyway because he likes to tell the truth.

Recoome posted:

you're missing the bit where incidents such as these reflect broad systematic discrimination against non-white people. People aren't just mad about being "offended", it's actually more than that

These dumb kids shouldn't have been sued under 18c for being racist arseholes to make an example of them, that isn't the point of the law.

This case should have been thrown out much earlier, as much as these kids are loving racist morons and should be acknowledged as such, I'm not comfortable with the usage in this case.

Bolt, where he was using his position of power to say demonstrably false poo poo, and where no penalty outside of a retraction, court costs, and apology were pursued, feels more in line with the spirit of the law.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 07:58

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Didn't they only have to go through mediation? They chose to go to court didn't they?

# ? Jan 21, 2017 08:03

blacksun: Mar 16, 2006; I told Cwapface not to register me with a title that said I am a faggot but he did it anyway because he likes to tell the truth.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Didn't they only have to go through mediation? They chose to go to court didn't they?

Arsetralian article says the four others involved settled for $5000 each, is this correct? That doesn't sound like mediation.

News.com.au posted:

The AHRC has not commented on the case directly but says respondents are sometimes not notified in situations where it is not clear if the complainant wishes to continue with the proceedings against them, so as to not cause the respondent unnecessary concern.

Lawyers for QUT have said in court documents that Ms Prior wrote to the commission requesting the students not be notified of the complaint until settlement discussions with the university had been completed.

The AHRC also said that it will sometimes ask an organisation, such as an employer, to notify individual respondents, and added that it was not uncommon for the organisation to negotiate a settlement with the complainant without the individual respondents being involved.

How is this not a money-grab on Ms Prior's behalf?

blacksun fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Jan 21, 2017

# ? Jan 21, 2017 08:49

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

blacksun posted:

Arsetralian article says the four others involved settled for $5000 each, is this correct? That doesn't sound like mediation.

Because they didn't want to go through mediation?

# ? Jan 21, 2017 09:12

blacksun: Mar 16, 2006; I told Cwapface not to register me with a title that said I am a faggot but he did it anyway because he likes to tell the truth.

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Because they didn't want to go through mediation?

Entirely possible. Is there any public information available about the meditation?

Ms Prior was sueing QUT for $250,000, doesn't seem like she wanted a mediated outcome. Seems like she wanted payout.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 09:22

Cpt Underpants: Nov 19, 2008; Simply Irresistible; Grimey Drawer

Anidav posted:

A bunch of law students

Jackson Powell was undertaking a Bachelor of Games and Interactive Entertainment
Alex Wood was studying civil engineering.
Calum Thwaites was studying teaching specialising in indigenous education but has switched to law

So you were almost correct.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 10:18

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

Liberals fear split after Cory Bernardi blackout

Conservative senator Cory Bernardi has reignited fears that he will split from the Liberal Party to spearhead a Trump-inspired political movement after he deleted all of his social media activity on Twitter.

The South Australian, who has remained silent about his �massive� plans for the year ahead, describes himself as an Australian conservative on his public profiles, with no reference to the Liberal Party or Malcolm Turnbull.

Senior conservative MPs are now convinced Senator Bernardi will formally split within the next two weeks, despite rigorous �attempts by his colleagues to persuade him to remain in the �Coalition partyroom.

Fears have been simmering over the summer break that the Prime Minister could begin the year with further instability if Senator Bernardi decides to quit the party, something he has �refused to rule out.

After reportedly spending the new year travelling on luxury cruise liner The World as a guest of billionaire Gina Rinehart, Senator Bernardi said yesterday his decision to delete his social media activity relating to his work as a government senator was not news.

�A �news� story about my unchanged twitter profile seems to be an annual event. Must be another slow news day @australian,� Senator Bernardi claimed.

There are mixed views over what it would mean for the party if he does split, other than a consensus that it would increase difficulties for the government. One senior member of the conser�vative faction warned that the party would have no choice but to go to war with him if he defected.

They also accused moderate ministers aligned to Mr Turnbull of stoking the fires within conservative ranks. Right-aligned MPs fear the rise of One Nation will see the government lose a swath of seats at the next election unless the Prime Minister does more to appeal to the party�s conservative base.

�Deleting any reference to the Liberal Party on his social media profile is a bad look,� one of Sen�ator Bernardi�s colleagues said.

Another influential member of the majority conservative grouping said be believed Senator Bernardi had already made up his mind.

�Yes I am coming to the conclusion that he will split,� he said. �(Donald) Trump has given him delusions of grandeur.

�It�s hardly surprising � while he is liked and well-regarded by his colleagues, he has always been a bit of a lone wolf.

�He has never been a team player.�

However, they downplayed the significance of him leaving the Liberal tent, other than to say it meant the government would need to negotiate with another independent on the Senate crossbench to pass legislation.

Other colleagues expressed alarm at the potential for the conservative wing of the party to fracture, fearing it would spark an ideological schism on the scale of the Labor Party split in the 1950s.

�I think it would be catastrophic,� a conservative MP said.

There are also fears that Nat�ionals MP George Christensen could be tempted to follow suit. Last year, he warned that he wanted to see a �new way of doing things� from the government or he would struggle to remain ��inside the tent�.

Senator Bernardi did not return calls yesterday.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...1755-1484990107

# ? Jan 21, 2017 10:20

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

You know News Corp might be right. Having to pay out for bigoted statements and actions is a little unfair. They should have the choice of this, instead. Free of charge.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 10:23

Digiwizzard: Dec 23, 2003; Pork Pro

They'll just counterbalance it by formally adding One Nation to the coalition.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 11:25

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...1755-1484990107

At last at last it begins

# ? Jan 21, 2017 11:36

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

ewe2 posted:

At last at last it begins

*opens a fresh bottle, sits back watching*

# ? Jan 21, 2017 11:41

Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

Digiwizzard posted:

They'll just counterbalance it by formally adding One Nation to the coalition.

Turnbull is already scared that Hanson looks too much like a powerbroker, bringing the very people who undermine the Big Australia status quo rhetoric into the fold, would make him look so small and weak that it would surprise people to learn that he can burp himself and use a big boy toilet. It might even lose him those Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative rubes. Not only that, bringing them in would just give the lunar-right faction numbers enough to roll him. We would just end up with Dutton or ScoMo.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 11:42

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

I'm pretty sure everyone is already under the impression Turnbull needs toilet & burping assistance. Can't do anything by himself.

I wonder if his shoes are slip ons.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 11:59

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Cory will do nothing because all he is is piss and wind. There is no way anyone will vote for him in large enough numbers without having the Liberals supporting him, and there's no way he'll be tolerated even in One Nation.

Now if Cory was in the ministry then maybe he might have some relevance, but since he's a back bencher with poo poo views, he won't get any support at all.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 12:27

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Cpt Underpants posted:

Jackson Powell was undertaking a Bachelor of Games and Interactive Entertainment
Alex Wood was studying civil engineering.
Calum Thwaites was studying teaching specialising in indigenous education but has switched to law

So you were almost correct.

Truly a tragic loss to indigenous education.

Also game dev students are perhaps the only people on a campus worse than engineers

# ? Jan 21, 2017 12:39

AgentF: May 11, 2009

You Am I posted:

Cory will do nothing because all he is is piss and wind. There is no way anyone will vote for him in large enough numbers without having the Liberals supporting him, and there's no way he'll be tolerated even in One Nation.

Just because something is a bad idea doesn't mean he won't do it.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 13:53

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

I'll have you know that Corey Bernardi is the Donald Trump of Australia

# ? Jan 21, 2017 14:07

sausage eyes: Nov 28, 2007; Truly the Abbott government is comparable to the horrors of Nazi Germany - auspol poster Sausage Eyes, 2015, in between hits of the crack pipe.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

I'll have you know that Corey Bernardi is the Donald Trump of Australia

Tony Abbot was our trump. Half the liberal party still want to murder him for embarrassing them.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 14:28

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

You Am I posted:

Cory will do nothing because all he is is piss and wind. There is no way anyone will vote for him in large enough numbers without having the Liberals supporting him, and there's no way he'll be tolerated even in One Nation.

Now if Cory was in the ministry then maybe he might have some relevance, but since he's a back bencher with poo poo views, he won't get any support at all.

He's utterly convinced that something in the order of 60% of the Australian population are religious conservatives too cowed by the leftist intelligentsia to actually act on their conservative views

Meanwhile, in Queensland

quote:

Police are appealing for witnesses to a "sickening" attack in the Brisbane CBD where an ibis was strangled to death and used to threaten passers-by on Saturday morning.

Detectives said a man captured and killed the bird about 5.30am on George Street before approaching members of the public as they walked past and threatening them with the dead bird.

edit

quote:

Skywriters wrote �Trump� over Sydney on Saturday, above a protest where 5,000 people marched in support of womens rights, following Donald Trump�s inauguration as US president.

Two messages simply saying �Trump� appeared about midday, and many images of the signs were posted on social media.

Rob Vance from Skywriting Australia said his company did the skywriting at a total cost of $4,000 to the customers, who wanted the messages to coincide with the Women�s March.

He said the customers were a group of Australian Trump supporters, but they wanted to remain anonymous.

gay picnic defence fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Jan 21, 2017

# ? Jan 21, 2017 14:33

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

AgentF posted:

Just because something is a bad idea doesn't mean he won't do it.

He's been harping on about starting his own party since he was elected to the Senate. He's a gutless bigot who will realise that's he's about as well liked as a dog turd if he leaves the Liberals.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 14:52

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Palmer is the closest we've come to Trump.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 14:59

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

gay picnic defence posted:

He's utterly convinced that something in the order of 60% of the Australian population are religious conservatives too cowed by the leftist intelligentsia to actually act on their conservative views.

He's not the messiah he's just a very naughty boy.

quote:

Skywriters wrote �Trump� over Sydney on Saturday, above a protest where 5,000 people marched in support of womens rights, following Donald Trump�s inauguration as US president.

Two messages simply saying �Trump� appeared about midday, and many images of the signs were posted on social media.

Rob Vance from Skywriting Australia said his company did the skywriting at a total cost of $4,000 to the customers, who wanted the messages to coincide with the Women�s March.

He said the customers were a group of Australian Trump supporters, but they wanted to remain anonymous.

And no one noticed. Seriously, first I've heard of it and I was on twitter half the day.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 15:15

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
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ewe2 posted:

He's not the messiah he's just a very naughty boy.

And no one noticed. Seriously, first I've heard of it and I was on twitter half the day.

To be fair, I lived in Sydney for about 30 years and never read anything a skywriter wrote.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 15:26

Kazzah: Jul 15, 2011; Formerly known as
Krazyface; Hair Elf

Donors wanting to show their support for the US president anonymously kinda says it all really.

# ? Jan 21, 2017 15:34

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

# ? Jan 21, 2017 15:40

Kafka Syrup: Apr 29, 2009

Mordialloc posted:

Everywhere is less than a half hour drive away.

Casurina Sands is a good place to swim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe5xuWmtlVA

What sort of stuff are you looking for?

Social acceptance and my father's approval? (or some hobbies and a D&D crew.)

Resident Idiot posted:

Southside best side, despite the lack of a) internet, b) trams, and c) anything else.

trams soon friend. soon.

# ? Jan 22, 2017 09:55

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

After the Centrelink debacle Essential Research shows the LNP primary vote going up by 1 point :psyboom:

# ? Jan 22, 2017 23:30

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Anidav posted:

After the Centrelink debacle Essential Research shows the LNP primary vote going up by 1 point

Give it until the debt machine goes after the OAPs later this year.

# ? Jan 22, 2017 23:38

Freudian Slip: Mar 10, 2007; "I'm an archivist. I'm archiving."

Also 1 percent is well within the error margins of their estimate. It could well be statistical noise

# ? Jan 22, 2017 23:41

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Treat em mean keep em keen

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:43

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

In the least surprising news ever Left Renewal founders, convenors etc. all are from USyd's student young Greens party, all people who were on the student council there, and are anarchists. Student politicians are the loving worst I swear.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:44

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

full socialism now

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:46

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Recoome posted:

full socialism now

i think socialism is incompatible with anarcho-communism

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:49

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

quote:

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...121-gtw6un.html
The Turnbull government appears to be moving toward establishing a government backed-bond vehicle for affordable housing as Treasurer Scott Morrison heads to Britain to seek guidance on Australia's housing affordability crisis and Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull prioritises the issue.

Similar to the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, which the former Abbott government wanted to abolish, a housing bond aggregator would give affordable housing providers access to cheaper and longer tenor debt for the construction of new homes.

It was the leading recommendation of bureaucrats in a report handed to state and federal treasurers in December, who agreed to establish a taskforce to design the model by mid-2017. The report made an exemplar of Britain's Housing Finance Corporation, which in 2014-15 issued more than �4 billion ($6.55 billion) in loans to housing agencies.

Mr Morrison is scheduled to meet with a slew of British officials this week including Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond, who in a landmark speech in November announced the doubling of capital expenditure on housing, including a �2.3 billion housing infrastructure fund.

Housing affordability had become an unacceptable drag on Britain's productivity and needed to be addressed urgently, Mr Hammond said.

By contrast, the Turnbull government has acknowledged the challenge Australia faces but has backed away from reforms such as abolishing negative gearing and instead shifted responsibility to the states, calling on them to boost supply.

That is set to change in 2017, with Mr Turnbull using last week's reshuffle to appoint young Victorian backbencher Michael Sukkar as assistant minister to the Treasurer, with special remit over housing affordability.

"This is an extraordinarily high priority for the PM," Mr Sukkar told Fairfax Media on Sunday. "This was made clear to me when I was offered the role. It's an issue that has rightly gathered steam over recent years."

Mr Sukkar said the government would not countenance changes to negative gearing, but voters could expect a "big, multifaceted approach" that could extend to "serious tax reform" in co-operation with the states.

"We'll need to lead by example and with the levers that we control ensure that they are being pulled to address housing affordability to the greatest extent possible ... and perhaps incentivising the states to make some of the reforms they need to as well," he said.

Mr Morrison said he would meet with financiers and specialists in the affordable housing field to determine if Britain's policies were "fit for purpose in the Australian context". Britain was "leading the way on this front" with a number of initiatives, he said, but did not specify any programs.

The Treasurer flagged a desire to redirect the $10 billion-plus spent on housing each year by Australian governments, declaring it needed to be used "more efficiently in order to help disadvantaged households".

Mr Morrison was due to arrive in London on Sunday night and will also use the trip to spruik Australia's financial sector while laying the groundwork for a free trade agreement with Britain.

High commissioner to London Alexander Downer told the BBC Australia had provided a scoping paper to the British government for an FTA that could be struck within just eight months.

He said Australia would likely want easier access for business people operating in Britain, although they can already obtain a tier-two visa to remain in the country for up to five years.

A spokesman for Trade Minister Steve Ciobo said Mr Ciobo had a "productive meeting" with Britain's Secretary of State for International Trade, Liam Fox, last week as the two countries worked toward an "ambitious" FTA.

Despite the global march of protectionism, the Turnbull government is also pursuing a free trade agreement with the European Union. Mr Morrison will also travel this week to Germany, the current president of the G20.

A scoping paper on an FTA with the EU was still under negotiation and could not be released, a spokesman for Mr Ciobo said.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:51

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

I thought a major problem in our capital cities wasn't actual supply of housing, but the continual pushing outwards to more isolated areas which don't have adequate infrastructure coupled with inflated house prices closer to the city

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:57

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Even the houses in outer suburbs are way overvalued.

I don't really know what the solution is if they only want to focus on supply, massive investment in regional centres? More sprawl in our current major cities can't be the answer.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 01:01

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Nibbles!: Jun 26, 2008; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please

If supply was really the issue they'd scrap negative gearing unless it's on a new build.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 01:01

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