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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

InitialDave posted:

That is just beautiful.

Hang on. Aren't you very much constitutionally entitled to not tell The Man what he wants to know? And while, if you do not, a proposed deal to let you off in favour of turfing other people in may indeed disappear... The only way that deal can exist is if they have something they can arrest/convict you for? Which in this case was building drug-related hidey holes into cars. So yes, he was prosecuted for that?

If so, that's dangerously close to the playground "if I walk toward you windmilling my arms, it's your fault if you get hit because you didn't get out the way" logic.

I appreciate that drug dealing is some pretty bad poo poo done by pretty bad people, but as a society we should be very wary of potential unintended consequences of expanding what can be done to tackle it. If he did not commit a crime beyond carrying out a job (which was perfectly legal in and of itself) for people who were going to use it for illegal purposes and paid him with earnings of the same, I believe it is wrong for him to be done for it. Especially when "sorry, I'd rather not do business with you" results in the aformentioned family-in-tiny-bits scenario.

Pick up that can, citizen.

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nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."
I haven't looked up the law, but I'm going to guys it required the government to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you "knew or should have known."
If he was ignorant, he was willfully ignorant, as the conversation he described "there's nothing in there I need to know about" means that he knew what the gently caress was going on.

Just because I pretend all the dudes I pick up outside of banks in masks with guns are just cold and hunting doesn't mean I don't get away with bank robbery.

New Zealand can eat me
Aug 29, 2008

:matters:


I'm 99% sure pictures of this have been posted before, but someone I know saw it recently and took another picture



:allears:

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

New Zealand can eat me posted:

I'm 99% sure pictures of this have been posted before, but someone I know saw it recently and took another picture



:allears:

Had they done that properly and joined it at the B-pillar, that could have looked awesome.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

spog posted:

Had they done that properly and joined it at the B-pillar, that could have looked awesome.

It is weird as hell that it looks like they joined it just at the crest of the hood. Maybe they were going for maximum length? :pervert:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

nm posted:

I haven't looked up the law, but I'm going to guys it required the government to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you "knew or should have known."
If he was ignorant, he was willfully ignorant, as the conversation he described "there's nothing in there I need to know about" means that he knew what the gently caress was going on.
Thank you, this is the kind of insight that's needed with this stuff. Don't forget, I'm not American, so I have a large degree of separation from how your law actually works.

I still say he wasn't done just for "not telling them what they wanted to know".

Naturally Selected
Nov 28, 2007

by Cyrano4747

InitialDave posted:

Thank you, this is the kind of insight that's needed with this stuff. Don't forget, I'm not American, so I have a large degree of separation from how your law actually works.

I still say he wasn't done just for "not telling them what they wanted to know".

He was also done because one of his clients got a deal for testifying that the guy knew exactly what he was doing and did it anyways, which is a whole nother can of worms when it comes to US law. nm's on point with the guys in masks analogy, though-willful ignorance will only take you so far, especially when the feds get a hard-on for you.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

InitialDave posted:

Thank you, this is the kind of insight that's needed with this stuff. Don't forget, I'm not American, so I have a large degree of separation from how your law actually works.

I still say he wasn't done just for "not telling them what they wanted to know".

In a sense they actually did prosecute him because he didn't squeal - but only because ratting out his compatriots was a way to save himself. The charges against him were not made up just to persecute him for not cooperating. They had a solid case against him and offered him a way out. When he refused the deal, they went ahead. It's not the Kafka-esque scenario some civil libertarians paint.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Naturally Selected posted:

He was also done because one of his clients got a deal for testifying that the guy knew exactly what he was doing and did it anyways, which is a whole nother can of worms when it comes to US law. nm's on point with the guys in masks analogy, though-willful ignorance will only take you so far, especially when the feds get a hard-on for you.

The ignorance defense only really applies in a very few amount of cases, and you better be drat ready if you're going to use it. I think the only law that it regularly applies to is tax law, and usually in regards to sudden windfalls where the recipient is completely (and usually legitimately) unaware that you have to pay taxes on that. I'm not a lawyer though so huge loving grain of salt there.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Deteriorata posted:

When he refused the deal, they went ahead. It's not the Kafka-esque scenario some civil libertarians paint.
Yes, exactly.

iospace posted:

I think the only law that it regularly applies to is tax law, and usually in regards to sudden windfalls where the recipient is completely (and usually legitimately) unaware that you have to pay taxes on that.
That's one area where US law seems really odd, that you can win something of high value, and you've got to sell it because you then owe tax money you don't have funds for.

Here, a prize is not taxed, at least not in that sense. What is given to you is what you get.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jan 21, 2017

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


InitialDave posted:

That's one area where US law seems really odd, that you can win something of high value, and you've got to sell it because you then owe tax money you don't have funds for.

Here, a prize is not taxed, at least not in that sense. What is given to you is what you get.

It gets better. My wife has about $100k in student loans she will never pay off as she is a social worker. So some time down the line they will be forgiven. Thing is that having the loan forgiven counts as income so she will be expected to pay income tax on the amount that was forgiven.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

BigPaddy posted:

It gets better. My wife has about $100k in student loans she will never pay off as she is a social worker. So some time down the line they will be forgiven. Thing is that having the loan forgiven counts as income so she will be expected to pay income tax on the amount that was forgiven.
:psyduck:

Worst we have to contend with on that front, really, is inheritance tax, and that's only an issue because they refuse to raise the threshold for it to a reasonable level.

Lime Tonics
Nov 7, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
Do car leasing websites count because get a load of this one,

http://www.lingscars.com/sitemap.php

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


Lings is legendary for a) being insane b) having decent prices c) the owner going after people who said they got bad service because she is nuts

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

That was on dragons den wasn't it

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Lime Tonics posted:

Do car leasing websites count because get a load of this one,

http://www.lingscars.com/sitemap.php

I remember that site! Yeah it's nuts.

InitialDave posted:

:psyduck:

Worst we have to contend with on that front, really, is inheritance tax, and that's only an issue because they refuse to raise the threshold for it to a reasonable level.

In the US the inheritance tax level is like 5m, yet everyone and their mother is afraid they're going to get knocked by it.

puberty worked me over
May 20, 2013

by Cyrano4747
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puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jan 4, 2020

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


puberty worked me over posted:

What is wrong with this?

Oh nothing, just gotta keep those upperty kids down their whole lives fellow GOP voter.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

BigPaddy posted:

Oh nothing, just gotta keep those upperty kids down their whole lives fellow GOP voter.

I guess you'd be better off if they didn't actually forgive the loans so you could pass your debt on to your kids.

BigPaddy
Jun 30, 2008

That night we performed the rite and opened the gate.
Halfway through, I went to fix us both a coke float.
By the time I got back, he'd gone insane.
Plus, he'd left the gate open and there was evil everywhere.


Or if they forgave the loans and didn't then expect that someone who couldn't pay it off over 25 years is going to be able to pay a decent chunk of it off in one year.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

iospace posted:

In the US the inheritance tax level is like 5m, yet everyone and their mother is afraid they're going to get knocked by it.
Ours is £325k. 40% on anything over that threshold. You inherited your dear old mum's house she bought in 1962 for tuppence ha'penny, and due to the :wtc: nature of house prices, is now worth £500k? Right. £70k. Pay up. Oh, you don't have that yourself, and she had zero other assets/capital? Tough, you're selling it then.

It's utterly immoral. Should be firmly in 7 figures before you have to pay it.

puberty worked me over posted:

What is wrong with this?
I'm going to let you off the $100k you owe me, because you never earned enough to be able to pay it back. You now owe me $20k in cash right now.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
here people panic when its in the mid-7 figure mark like even any significant percentage of the country is going to have assets in excess where oh god you MAY have to pay taxes on it.

because the government is stealing, and we will all be millionaires one day.

nevermind those collapsing bridges or anything.

eyebeem
Jul 18, 2013

by R. Guyovich

BigPaddy posted:

It gets better. My wife has about $100k in student loans she will never pay off as she is a social worker. So some time down the line they will be forgiven. Thing is that having the loan forgiven counts as income so she will be expected to pay income tax on the amount that was forgiven.

My wife has over $500,000 in student loans. I'm at 100k.

Not in public service. Wheee.

Fats
Oct 14, 2006

What I cannot create, I do not understand
Fun Shoe

InitialDave posted:

It's utterly immoral. Should be firmly in 7 figures before you have to pay it.

Inheritance in general is immoral in a society where we blame poors for being poor. At the very least, 100% of it should be taxed as income.

Anyway, here's a terrible car thing I saw:





I was surprised it was still lit.

shy boy from chess club
Jun 11, 2008

It wasnt that bad, after you left I got to help put out the fire!

Superior German wirihahahahaha

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Fats posted:

Inheritance in general is immoral in a society where we blame poors for being poor. At the very least, 100% of it should be taxed as income.

Anyway, here's a terrible car thing I saw:





I was surprised it was still lit.

Stay safe 14" headlight gost.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


BigPaddy posted:

Lings is legendary for a) being insane b) having decent prices c) the owner going after people who said they got bad service because she is nuts

That website in amazing - have a look at the live visitor 'camp'...and they are offering a DMC-12.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Fats posted:

Inheritance in general is immoral in a society where we blame poors for being poor. At the very least, 100% of it should be taxed as income.
While our current modless status might sort of allow me the freedom to do so, no, I'm not going to engage in the derail this invites. Short and final answer: No.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Humphreys posted:

That website in amazing - have a look at the live visitor 'camp'...and they are offering a DMC-12.

Holy crap it's hard to believe that's a real business. I like the Mongol Rally diary by some dudes sponsored by Ling. Every time they talk about their R reg Fiat Cinquecento they add ("Chink")

https://www.lingscars.com/ling-valentine.php

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
Cross post from the schadenfreude thread:

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Memento posted:

Cross post from the schadenfreude thread:

I love how he lights up, in a "yup, it's one of those nights" sort of way.

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

InitialDave posted:

While our current modless status might sort of allow me the freedom to do so, no, I'm not going to engage in the derail this invites. Short and final answer: No.

Modless? What happened, another Aatrek?

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

PCOS Bill posted:

Modless? What happened, another Aatrek?

IoC quit due to forums drama unrelated to him personally.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
Next mod should have owned at least five red block Volvos at some point.

Root Bear
Nov 15, 2004

DARKEST SKETCH
I really want to believe this is an obvious joke/troll attempt like the "just painted my rotors" gag but who really knows anymore...


Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

zoom-zoom
Toilet Rascal
Volvo 240 Classic. One of 1600 made. In terrible shape :(

Blacknose
Jul 28, 2006

Meet frustration face to face
A point of view creates more waves
So lose some sleep and say you tried

Fats posted:

Inheritance in general is immoral in a society where we blame poors for being poor. At the very least, 100% of it should be taxed as income.

Came here to post this.

CroatianAlzheimers
Jun 15, 2009

I can't remember why I'm mad at you...


New Zealand can eat me posted:

I'm 99% sure pictures of this have been posted before, but someone I know saw it recently and took another picture



:allears:

I see your manyvan, and raise you this stretched, SBC Fiero...

Laura-4-Lyfe
Oct 14, 2005

CroatianAlzheimers posted:

I see your manyvan, and raise you this stretched, SBC Fiero...



Holy crap! I drove by that car on the way home from work a bunch. I didn't know it had a v8. Actually I never saw it move.

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CroatianAlzheimers
Jun 15, 2009

I can't remember why I'm mad at you...


Laura-4-Lyfe posted:

Holy crap! I drove by that car on the way home from work a bunch. I didn't know it had a v8. Actually I never saw it move.

Hahahahahaha, what's up SEMI goon?

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