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Lord Banana posted:Isn't that only 1% by rounding? Surely actual 1% is achieved at $2400. Not that I doubt the meteoric rise of this glorious tribute to Revolutionary France of course. It already has a fruit based fan game after all! thermidor is the anime version of fructidor, not the other way around. please check the release dates.
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Willfrey posted:Typical aristocratic bullshit, asking the pesantry to fund their grand designs. Typical peasant selfishness, refusing to fund the grand designs of their social and intellectual betters.
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Stumpus posted:I need a response from Ron on the state of this thread. What will he say? What will he do? Is he real? Ron your literal only fans are right here in this thread are you abandoning us and Thermidor?
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JosephWongKS posted:19 January 2017 - $1227 USD raised by 28 backers / 1% of $240,000 fixed goal This is just barely 1/2%, rounding up to 1 is awfully generous. DropsySufferer posted:Ron your literal only fans are right here in this thread are you abandoning us and Thermidor? Why are you talking about Thermidor in the Fructidor thread, make a new thread if you wanna talk about that poo poo.
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raditts posted:This is just barely 1/2%, rounding up to 1 is awfully generous. Well Ron, you sure showed us; you've reached 1(ish) percent of your total goal. Truly, we "trolls" and "haters" have been vanquished. Now that you have the high ground, any chance you'd deign to answer any of the questions I asked you? Or will you continue to lie and deflect like a poor man's Reagan?
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Are you talking to Ron, or fired Ron?
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Sole.Sushi posted:Well Ron, you sure showed us; you've reached 1(ish) percent of your total goal. Truly, we "trolls" and "haters" have been vanquished. raditts posted:Why are you talking about Thermidor in the Fructidor thread, make a new thread if you wanna talk about that poo poo.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Are you talking to Ron, or fired Ron? Meta Ron
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Punished Venom Ron.
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LibbyM posted:Punished Venom Ron. Lol
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Or Ron is just a painfully confused Japanese man desperately trying to come up with American sounding names and pull the veil over our eyes with false senses of change for the sake of marketing.
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Ron if you're still reading this tell ur pathetic French CEO to suck my zizi from derrière
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Merde.
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Ayn Marx posted:Ron if you're still reading this tell ur pathetic French CEO to suck my zizi from derrière spoiler alert: he isn't
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Kelp Me! posted:spoiler alert: he isn't Merde alors !
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Because I think that the talent behind Fructidor deserves to know that some no-talent rear end-hat named Ron has created a shameless rip-off and is trying to cash in on people's ignorance. We can't have honest Goons being tricked into investing in a shameless cash-grab when Fructidor is 100% free. EDIT: Hey Ron, just thought I'd let you know: the Chinese word for "dragon" is "long" or "lung", not "ron." While Japanese has distinct difficulty in pronouncing "L" as "R" due to the evolution of their language, Chinese doesn't you racist gently caress. While I'm at it, "ron" is one translation of the word "theory" from Japanese, but is more often translated as "argument, debate" or "controversy." Sole.Sushi fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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Sole.Sushi posted:Because I think that the talent behind Fructidor deserves to know that some no-talent rear end-hat named Ron has created a shameless rip-off and is trying to cash in on people's ignorance. We can't have honest Goons being tricked into investing in a shameless cash-grab when Fructidor is 100% free. what the christ are you even talking about here
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Ayn Marx posted:Ron if you're still reading this tell ur pathetic French CEO to suck my zizi from derrière Sacre bleu!
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Kelp Me! posted:what the christ are you even talking about here hyperdevbox posted:My full name is Ron, which means "dragon" in chinese, "cheerful song" in Hebrew, and "theory" in Japanese. Admittedly, my edit did come from out of nowhere.
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Sole.Sushi posted:Admittedly, my edit did come from out of nowhere. whoa whoa whoa i missed that lol did he just go full l->r mode there and misconstrue "long/lung" and "ron" lmao
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Kelp Me! posted:spoiler alert: he isn't He drops out for weeks at a time, answers every question in a clear, concise manner and then returns to the hard graft of making a quality anime game.
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Thanks for the corrections on Louis XVI's parentage. Both of you are absolutely correct. 2. On the Brink Alright, so last time I promised I'd be getting a little bit more into the exact sequence of events that cause Things To Get Worse. It turns out that I lied--the more I thought about it, the harder it was to get across how easy it was for so many people to mismanage things so poorly. The central figure, of course, is Louis XVI himself. If you crack open a high school world history textbook, the story looks something like this: "Louis XVI was a terrible king and also a tyrant because Jefferson said so in that famous quote; eventually he became enough of a tyrant that people overthrew him and cut off his head; also Marie Antoinette's head. Then Napoleon took over and he eventually got his rear end kicked at Waterloo, but not before selling the Louisiana Territory to us for way too cheap. Heh, what a dumbass." Obviously, (almost) nobody gets out of bed in the morning and decides that hey, today they're going to be a terrible tyrannical king. And that doesn't really describe Louis XVI--he had a ton of personal faults and may have been pretty much the worst guy for the job, but he does genuinely have seemed to want to do right. He just wasn't very good at it. Maybe more importantly, he had an almost impossible problem on his hands. A lot of the insane things that he and his ministers are about to do are a lot more understandable once you realize exactly how much of a clusterfuck late 18th century France is. France is politically speaking, incoherent. When I say "France" what I really mean is the territories held by the Bourbon family, which once encompassed only a relatively small chunk centered on the modern Ile-de-France. But that was in the Middle Ages. By conquest or marriage or inheritance, "France" gradually katamaried up the various surrounding states that used to occupy the territory of modern France. This process was still ongoing at the time of Louis XVI--the Lorraine had been added to Bourbon domains in 1766, well within living memory. This is a problem, because as a consequence 1700s France is about as legally organized as a katamari. Each of the individual parts of Louis XVI's empire have their own legal system, inherited from when they were independent. Imagine if the 17th Amendment to the United States Constitution went something like this: A different, deeply terrifying history posted:The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, except for Minnesota, the western half of North Carolina, and all formerly Spanish or Mexican territories--where taxes shall be collected on land ownership instead. This shall exempt income on agricultural products in the states created from the Louisiana territory, and the San Francisco Bay Area (except for Marin County). Taxes must be paid in kind in the original 13 colonies, but may be accepted in any legal tender elsewhere in the country. The IRS must also accept payment in coconut shells anywhere coconuts are commercially grown, because that's how they used to do it. Also, one United States dollar (or coconut) doesn't correspond to one Tax Dollar anywhere outside of Washington, D.C, and in order to find out what your exchange rate is you must trust the tax collector who's being paid as a percentage of what he takes in. Now imagine if every single loving law in the country either worked like this or was a customary law that nobody ever bothered to write down. Oh, yeah, and nobody can even agree on what a state is, the exact borders of any of the states, or even how many states there are. Now imagine trying to run that country. France is, socially speaking, incoherent. There's an organization today, the French Academy, whose only real job is to regulate and standardize a single French language. The Academy actually existed in Louis XVI's day, but its reach was limited to the relatively prosperous Paris Basin and some of the textile-manufacturing regions which did significant internal business--Normandy, Amiens, Rouen, Lyon. Anywhere outside this relatively tight "core" may as well have lived in a different country, socially as well as legally. To the south the old Roman heartlands on the far side of the Massif Central, the rich agricultural highlands of Provence and the rapidly growing trade center of Languedoc, had a particular reputation for separatism. Occitan, a language/language family (depending on who you ask) having way more to do with Catalan than French, was dominant in Southern France during the time of the Bourbons. Even those who understood French would have done so in the Meridional accent, which sounds distinctly odd to a Parisan ear. Just as importantly, Occitania was the traditional stronghold of the staunchly Calvinist French Huguenot population; it had been illegal to be a Protestant in France since Louis XIV's day. By the eve of the Revolution, almost nobody personally remembered the widespread guerrilla warfare of the Camisard revolts in the early 1700s. But the conflict had been conducted with massive brutality on both sides, and the social scars still ran deep. To the north the regions dominated by the Channel ports were cotton country as surely as any city in England, tightly bound by the Seine and Meuse to Paris' trade networks and therefore to Paris' culture. But travel a bit further to the west--too far west for the Seine, too far north for the Loire--and things got a lot murkier. Brittany and western Normandy are dominated by the bocage, a mess of hedgerows and lovely windy roads that will still be around to give Patton so much trouble a century and a half in the future. The bocage shielded the region from central authority in more ways than just physical. There, the peasants spoke Breton, a today-dying language almost completely unintelligible to a French speaker. Still, it was a reasonably prosperous region with its own coastal import-export economy, driven by international trade through Nantes (and to a lesser degree Brest) instead of the Channel market. Even further west from Paris, in the marshy, rocky, hilly shithole of the Vendée, the people didn't even have that. The departments of the former Vendée are doing well economically today, thanks in large part to modern transportation networks, but in the late 1700s they were rich in nothing but resentment. The Vendée in particular is about to blow up in pretty much everyone's faces, but we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves. France is, economically speaking, incoherent. I'm about to make some simplified generalizations about the French economy, here. They're simplistic precisely because the country was so divided socially and legally--the great ports such as Nantes and Bordeaux are going to do quite well for themselves during this period--but on the whole it's very much a rich-get-richer/poor-get-poorer trend. For obvious reasons, this last bit is what left-leaning historians tend to focus on as a cause of the Revolution. The basic idea is simple--in the middle years of the 18th century, good weather and a lack of major crop blights had gotten everyone accustomed to grain production being higher than what would have been reasonable. Since the average Frenchman ate a lot of bread the unsustainably low food prices drove unsustainably high population growth. Some parts of the country were less dependent on wheat--peasants in the heavily Germanified Alsace and Lorraine knew the value of potatoes, and there are scattered references to a developing corn trade in the south--but they were subsistence economies. They didn't produce enough surplus food to cover for the metropolises of the Paris basin when wheat yields fell back to earth. And when they did fall in the 1770s or so, they fell hard. French agriculture got hit with many years in a row of bad weather and nasty crop blights that pushed smallholders and sharecroppers off their land and drove them to the cities looking for work. Just as massively increasing food prices had driven people who already lived there into homelessness, first by the thousands, then by the tens and hundreds of thousands, then finally by the millions. When I say "millions", remember that France had a population of perhaps 25 million in the years leading up to the Revolution. This spiral of widespread urban squalor and poverty in Paris, surrounding on every side the richly gilded palaces of the Bourbons, was a societal bomb just waiting to cook off. It's almost a miracle things didn't come to a head earlier; widespread anger had held in check only by the government's aggressive and highly visible attempts to regulate the grain trade and limit profiteering. I mean, they wouldn't be stupid enough to deregulate the grain trade under those circumstances, right? Especially not in the middle of a famine? Next time: they absolutely, definitely, 100% are stupid enough Reiterpallasch fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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These French Revolution history posts are really interesting, thanks for taking the time!
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Reiterpallasch posted:Since the average Frenchman ate a lot of bread the unsustainably low food prices drove unsustainably high population growth. Well why didn't they just eat some fish or some pork or something e; nice chip butty, that'd sort it out 
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Yeah, these history posts are fabulous. Thanks for the hard work, effort posts like these are what makes these forums worth the 
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avoraciopoctules posted:These French Revolution history posts are really interesting, thanks for taking the time! Also more work than all of hyperdevbox's work on making their concept historically accurate.
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Reiterpallasch posted:[snip] Do please continue these whenever you can. They are a most fascinating read in this thread of [missing execution implements].
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FUNDS RAISED BY THERMIDOR ON INDIEGOGO 28 December 2016 - $802 USD raised by 22 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 31 December 2016 - $802 USD raised by 22 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 3 January 2017 - $802 USD raised by 22 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 5 January 2017 - $802 USD raised by 22 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 6 January 2017 - $802 USD raised by 22 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 7 January 2017 - $802 USD raised by 22 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 8 January 2017 - $1002 USD raised by 23 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 9 January 2017 - $1002 USD raised by 23 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 10 January 2017 - $1052 USD raised by 24 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 11 January 2017 - $1052 USD raised by 24 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 12 January 2017 - $1082 USD raised by 25 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 13 January 2017 - $1082 USD raised by 25 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 14 January 2017 - $1082 USD raised by 25 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 15 January 2017 - $1082 USD raised by 25 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 16 January 2017 - $1082 USD raised by 25 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 17 January 2017 - $1112 USD raised by 26 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 18 January 2017 - $1112 USD raised by 26 backers / 0% of $240,000 fixed goal 19 January 2017 - $1227 USD raised by 28 backers / 0.51% of $240,000 fixed goal 20 January 2017 - $1257 USD raised by 29 backers / 0.52% of $240,000 fixed goal 21 January 2017 - $1257 USD raised by 29 backers / 0.52% of $240,000 fixed goal _______________________________________________ Total increase in number of backers between 28 December 2016 to 21 January 2017 - 7 Total increase in amount raised between 28 December 2016 to 21 January 2017 - $455 Average amount raised per day in the 24 days between 28 December 2016 to 20 January 2017 - $18.99 _______________________________________________ Time left - A month [According to the Indiegogo page - it's not specified exactly how many days this means] Shortfall between target and amount raised so far - $238,743.00 Average amount of new funds per month required to meet target - $238,743.00
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Dear Ron, Could you please tell us how the $250K would be spent if it was achieved? Yours Sincerely GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
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On blow and a short length of macrame, I suspect.
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Mister Adequate posted:Man I cannot beat Wave 25. if you have a lot of cakes, try to either a) stack them all at the end of the belt, or b) launch a few of them in different directions the ai is programmed to home in on cakes regardless of distance (i think) so spreading them out can buy you some time
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boy are my arms tired posted:if you have a lot of cakes, try to either a) stack them all at the end of the belt, or b) launch a few of them in different directions Restrained Crown Posse posted:Use the smart-bombs. Been doing both these things. 
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boy are my arms tired posted:the ai is programmed to home in on cakes regardless of distance (i think) so spreading them out can buy you some time Confirming this. The Peasants are really REALLY hungry, and a mere whiff of cake sends them scrambling. Strategywise the key is to make a lot of cakes! To do this you need to slice a lot of the right kind of fruit quickly. Which you most likely will need powerups for! To beat wave 25 you will need to get most of the stat boost cubes that spawn during the game, especially the blue ones that boost your powerup spawn rate. When you have the Vitesse! and Bonne moission! powerups stacked cakemaking will be very rapid. Also you are still the only one to have "beaten" the game, so there are still 2 prizes to claim! I've gotten to the end and confirmed that it usually gets stuck before the lovingly crafted ending cutscene. The response to Fructidor in the actual game jam thread has been lukewarm to say the least. It could be that it's only a good game when compared to Thermidor. I still think the idea has potential though, and will definitely keep working on it a while longer. They played it on the jam stream but didn't quite get that you could throw fruit and cakes out on the map, which is kind of key to success. This is of course entirely my fault as the game should explain this properly in some way. I think the game is perfect for a single player campaign with a bunch of different maps (Bastille, Versailles...) but I'll do a first round of polishing and fixing what's already there and making it more fun before I add anything major. I'm thinking a general tightening up of the controls and speeding up of the gameplay. So: Here is v 1.0 of the FRUIT (FRUctidor Improvement Table) Controls: -Switch from mouse to gamepad controls (or make it an option). Left stick to move the guillotine, right stick to rotate the blade. Right trigger to slice fruit, Left trigger to throw fruit. Pressing harder/longer on the trigger increases the throwing power. Camera: -Remove the wobbly circular track camera -Instead Two camera modes to switch between. 1: Fixed camera at an isometric angle for slicing fruit. 2: Catapult-style camera for throwing things. Will need to test this out to find something good. Slicing: -Speed up the guillotine a bit at the start, right now it feels like you need powerups to control well, which might not be a good design decision. Throwing: -Make it easiser to control how hard you throw and to make accurate throws. It's a bit too unpredictable now. You should be able to pinpoint throw a bomb to the head of a peasant half the map away if you're good, which you currently can't. -Make the throwing mechanism visible and sort of logical. I'm thinking like a big spoon-catapult-like thing that rotates and scoops away fruit -Throwing gizmo, like the slicer gizmo, to give you some sort of reference to what's going on. Cake Making: -More direct feedback on if you slice the right kind of fruit or not. Right now you have to wait until the sliced fruit reaches the end of the belt, which can take a while, before you know you hosed up. -Fruit should fall directly through the conveyor belt when sliced and into some kind of secondary chute that leads to the cake. This should improve visual clarity greatly. -Add a button for opening a hole in the cake chute, before the fruit reaches the cake. This will give you the option of clearing a portion of the chute and avoid the wrong kind of fruit getting on your cake. Fruit: -Add a few more fruits. Not too many at this point but something green would be nice. The four kinds in the game were all the not-godawful models I could find by googling "FREE APPLE 3D MODEL DOWNLOAD". Bugs/General: -Fix wave 25 bug and make the game finishable. -Game tries to start in VR headset, oops. (Comedy option: add VR support) -Improve physics and AI performance (I had to cut back on the number of on-screen fruit because of this. I'd ideally like the game to be a clusterfuck of fruit, cake and peasants everywhere) I hope I can iterate this into something a bit more snappy and easy to pick up. I'll also try to get some help with sound, music and art. Progress will probably not be super fast since I have a lot of non-Fructidor-related things going on at the moment, but I'll keep you posted and hopefully you can eventually get at least one finished game out of this thread!
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