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Nostalgia4Ass posted:So I haven't really played any Paradox stuff since EU2 and Victoria. I just picked up all the main DLC for this and am starting out. I picked Portugal because they were a good choice in 2 but trade is weird and I feel like sending ships out to protect trade is barely breaking even after fleet maintenance. I guess I really don't understand how everything fits together but almost all of the tutorials I see are based on the base game. The expansions seem to add a lot of things that aren't really covered anywhere. The starting trade ships will barely break even yeah. They get better at boosting trade as you tech up. The wiki is good for catching up on all the expansion mechanics.
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Early on you build light ships for naval purposes because they more or less pay their own upkeep, later on they make lots more cash but you really need a good number of big ships to actually fight with.
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Jan 21, 2017 09:42
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Trade ships will have a bigger impact the more valuable the node is and the less contested it already is. They add a flat amount of trade power per ship, so that makes a bigger difference if there's 80 power in the node than if there's 200. Early on few nodes have much value because there's a lot of uncolonized land that isn't producing trade value and nobody forwarding trade from Africa, Asia, and the New World.
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Jan 21, 2017 09:50
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:So I haven't really played any Paradox stuff since EU2 and Victoria. I just picked up all the main DLC for this and am starting out. I picked Portugal because they were a good choice in 2 but trade is weird and I feel like sending ships out to protect trade is barely breaking even after fleet maintenance. I guess I really don't understand how everything fits together but almost all of the tutorials I see are based on the base game. The expansions seem to add a lot of things that aren't really covered anywhere. On the game or on the trade system? For the game in general I think you just need to jump in and then ask questions or peruse the eu4 wiki For trade, it's both the most and least complex system in the game. Here's a pretty good video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edjLVFMjPyo Your light ships aren't worth much at the start of the game, but that will change; upgraded light ships exert more trade power and as your naval force limit increases you'll be able to bully entire trade nodes by just dispatching the fleet, which is great if you're able to redirect trade value from a rich place like the spice islands. This also means that you want to dominate as much of the trade power in the Sevilla trade node as possible (so that you can collect all of that trade value), which in the early game means beating up Morocco. Later you'll want to set up a long chain of merchants and high-trade power provinces between the valuable trade nodes in the New World and/or Asia all the way back to Sevilla, using light ships to shore up trade nodes as needed or to dominate new trade nodes. Dominating those nodes means you'll be able to redirect all of that trade value back to Sevilla, where you'll collect it as ducats. You get tons of bonus merchants by forming larger colonial nations and by forming lots of trade companies and giving them enough trade power to dominate their respective trade nodes (this is all just one big feedback loop; more trade power, more merchants, more money) e: I don't usually recommend watching Youtube tutorials (because then you wind up watching a 10 minute video on institution seeding that could have been summed up in one loving sentence) but the trade video above is really good QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Jan 21, 2017 10:04
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The Bramble posted:This got posted on reddit and I feel like it belongs here too It belongs in the OP, honestly.
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Jan 21, 2017 11:31
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 [Border goring intensifies]
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Jan 21, 2017 13:11
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Your goal should be to not let any of your provinces touch more than 3 of your other provinces
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Jan 21, 2017 13:17
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I have given snaking myself to Lubeck some serious thought 
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Jan 21, 2017 13:31
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Detheros posted:I have given snaking myself to Lubeck some serious thought Make a point of not having any provinces in the HRE beyond Lubeck and then snake to it. It'll be beautiful.
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Jan 21, 2017 13:41
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Detheros posted:
I hate it when you're going for any achievement that requires coring all of Iberia and then France dips a toe into it.
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Jan 21, 2017 15:17
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Eej posted:I hate it when you're going for any achievement that requires coring all of Iberia and then France dips a toe into it. It's fun to have an end boss!
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Jan 21, 2017 15:54
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Detheros posted:
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Jan 21, 2017 16:06
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RabidWeasel posted:It's fun to have an end boss! Or someone to viciously gang up on with all your blobby friends! Poor Ottomans.
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Jan 21, 2017 16:17
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I need to give Albania a shot sometime, whats the best strat to do it these days? It's super easy in this patch. Ally Hungary and Bosnia, Serbia (usually) guarantees you, click "Friendlies can attach to this unit" on your Skanderbeg stack and wait for the Ottomans to declare and drag all four of you into a Defensive War. If they don't, then restart the game because you lose a ton of time consuming Serbia/Bosnia the slow way and the Ottomans will get strong from eating their Anatolian cores. Cut a path through the Balkans so you can border Constantinople, figure out how you're gonna deal with 20k+ murder stacks of separatists and then declare on Byzantium to deny Ottomans Constantinople. After that just play like normal while keeping an eye on any opportunities to carve out more territory from the Ottomans because they can still get huge by expanding East and South.
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Jan 21, 2017 16:35
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Eej posted:It's super easy in this patch. Ally Hungary and Bosnia, Serbia (usually) guarantees you, click "Friendlies can attach to this unit" on your Skanderbeg stack and wait for the Ottomans to declare and drag all four of you into a Defensive War. If they don't, then restart the game because you lose a ton of time consuming Serbia/Bosnia the slow way and the Ottomans will get strong from eating their Anatolian cores.
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Jan 21, 2017 17:04
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I think Personal Unions are the one mechanic I understand basically not at all. As far as I can tell it just goes like this Get Royal Marriages ??? Maybe Personal Union!
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Jan 21, 2017 17:05
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My understanding is that if you don't have the same dynasty you need to hope their King dies with no heir so there's a chance for your dynasty to take the throne. Once they have the same dynasty then you can request or force a PU over them.
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Jan 21, 2017 17:22
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Oh sweet, awesome, thank you. I'm playing a mega Spain game and I am the clear #1 great power and at this point I am pushing for all the achievements I can get so I can be done with it because all this naval and colonial poo poo is getting tedious. If you want to play Serbia it's a little harder and I haven't been able to pull it off but the idea is that you somehow ally Bosnia, Wallachia (if they haven't rivaled you, which they will), Byzantium, declare on Albania (assuming they aren't allied with anyone of course) and then vassalize them as soon as the Ottomans declare on them (and hopefully Venice doesn't declare on them in their weakness). Then you attach your army to Skanderbeg (or even Hunyadi if you somehow manage to get Hungary in on the action) and do the same as Albania. Obviously, a much more RNG start than Albania. Captain Oblivious posted:I think Personal Unions are the one mechanic I understand basically not at all. As far as I can tell it just goes like this The platonic ideal of getting PUs is finding an old as gently caress King with no heir, marrying them, they die with no heir and having high enough prestige and development to force a claim for the throne when one of your family becomes heir. Basically if your last name is on their throne you can PU them.
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Jan 21, 2017 17:28
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Eej posted:I hate it when you're going for any achievement that requires coring all of Iberia and then France dips a toe into it. Actually, the way areas and regions work now an area can only belong to one region. Which means the entire Basque area belongs to Iberia, so you're gonna be fighting France anyway:  You also need the Azores, Madeira and the Canary islands, but not the Balearic islands (they are Italian). It's kinda dumb. Elman fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Jan 21, 2017 18:11
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that's hosed up
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Jan 21, 2017 18:25
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Yeah, the way CK2 handles it where you can define custom regions and put provinces in any number of them (like region and continent, or the Historical Plague Exclusion Zone) is more flexible, if substantially less integrated into game mechanics.
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Jan 21, 2017 18:48
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On the bright side the new mountain range wastelands they added all over the place change the game quite significantly. Being able to hold back France at one or two chokepoints in the Pyrenees is cool. Aq Qoyunlu no longer sharing a border with Trebizond right at the start is less so.
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Eej posted:On the bright side the new mountain range wastelands they added all over the place change the game quite significantly. Being able to hold back France at one or two chokepoints in the Pyrenees is cool. Aq Qoyunlu no longer sharing a border with Trebizond right at the start is less so. Yeah these are totally great, though the ones in the Middle East are really loving annoying to fight over (which is probably the point, but still)
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Jan 21, 2017 19:44
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i wish the wastelands wouldn't change color to the color of whoever has the most land around it but i also wish the uncolored wastelands didn't look awful just popping out of political mapmode
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Jan 21, 2017 20:06
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How do you make France hate someone? I'm two provinces away from forming Italy, but I need to fight Tuscany that is VERY protected by my also ally: mega-France. I know I can wait until France is in a hellwar and ignores my aggression, or declare on someone to get France on my side then attack Tuscany, but I don't have any declaration options right now that aren't horrible.
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Jan 21, 2017 21:21
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Find an ally of Tuscany's that isn't scary, declare on them, separate peace Tuscany with just Cancel Alliance with France (to minimize Truce time) and then go from there.
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oddium posted:i wish the wastelands wouldn't change color to the color of whoever has the most land around it but i also wish the uncolored wastelands didn't look awful just popping out of political mapmode The colour changing is cool but I wish they stood out a bit more, I hate the fact that political mapmode shows the terrain map for empty provinces though
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Chump Farts posted:How do you make France hate someone? I'm two provinces away from forming Italy, but I need to fight Tuscany that is VERY protected by my also ally: mega-France. I know I can wait until France is in a hellwar and ignores my aggression, or declare on someone to get France on my side then attack Tuscany, but I don't have any declaration options right now that aren't horrible. declare on tuscany and make france a co-belligerent. if you get crushed then your italy was never meant to be
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Chump Farts posted:How do you make France hate someone? I'm two provinces away from forming Italy, but I need to fight Tuscany that is VERY protected by my also ally: mega-France. I know I can wait until France is in a hellwar and ignores my aggression, or declare on someone to get France on my side then attack Tuscany, but I don't have any declaration options right now that aren't horrible. Alternatively, call France into another small war with someone, then declare war on Tuscany when France joins the war with you. Try and finish Tuscany before the other war, because if you end the small war France might still join against you in the Tuscan war.
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Jan 21, 2017 21:53
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Tsyni posted:Alternatively, call France into another small war with someone, then declare war on Tuscany when France joins the war with you. Try and finish Tuscany before the other war, because if you end the small war France might still join against you in the Tuscan war.
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So I'm through my first four Idea groups in my Welsh colonialism game. Exploration, Administrative, Economic and Quantity are indeed pretty hard to gently caress up. Not really sure where to go from here though. Influence so I can demand more poo poo in war? Expansion to expedite colonization? Religious to holy war all the overseas heathens?  Any less obvious benefits or drawbacks to any of these ideas that might sway the decision?
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Jan 21, 2017 22:22
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I was going to say this but didnt because he said "declare on someone to get France on my side then attack Tuscany, but I don't have any declaration options right now that aren't horrible" so I dont think is an option. Well, I did decide to say it because my brain is slow and I can't read, lol...smh.
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RabidWeasel posted:It's fun to have an end boss! I just fought phase 1 of my end boss. The Ottoman, French, Mega Iraqi, Tunisian power block.  Good thing I had my own power block of Burgundy, Lithuania, Hungary, Ryazan, and Big Perm.
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Jan 21, 2017 22:58
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Mega Iraq still isn't too bad cause their national ideas are pretty meh in the hands of an AI.
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Tsyni posted:Alternatively, call France into another small war with someone, then declare war on Tuscany when France joins the war with you. Try and finish Tuscany before the other war, because if you end the small war France might still join against you in the Tuscan war. Yeah, I may have to invent a war just to get this to happen. My major mistake was not finishing the Ottomans once they lost their first major war and not finishing Byzantium when they were vulnerable. The Ottomans just went east and became monstrous enough that I can't take their things and get big enough to do what I like in Italy. Castile and France are allies too, so who knows when I will get Southern Italy. Edit: I got Genoa and Florence from Tuscany when I was lucky enough to have the 30 Years War pop and France was too busy to defend Tuscany. The only issue is I couldn't take more than those two provinces (like springing Siena free and taking it) due to the ridiculous amount of AE that comes with Italy. I have 200 years to get Rome and Siena.
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oddium posted:i wish the wastelands wouldn't change color to the color of whoever has the most land around it but i also wish the uncolored wastelands didn't look awful just popping out of political mapmode You can turn off wasteland colouring if you didn't know. Not sure if you mean grey wastelands look bad or terrain wastelands look bad but there are modes for both.
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I would like to thank Great Britain for funding the first Albanian-Spanish Imperialist War to the tune of 1000 ducats. 
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At what point does it start to make sense to just take out a handful of loans to embrace an institution? Like say if it's going to cost me an additional 1000 ducats and I'm pulling ~12 ducats per month on average, and it's spreading very slowly in my provinces, and I'm sitting at 35% tech penalty at this point, it seems like it would make sense to just go ahead and buy it out immediately with 3-4 loans. But I dunno if there are any general rules to follow in regards to that, like if you should always get them ASAP or maybe wait a bit if you aren't too far behind (and your tech levels are ahead anyway, for example). Kind of similarly not sure about if you should beeline to start spreading by doing development ASAP as soon as a new one pops up or not. Oh also, if you are fully annexing another country, you can still take ducats from them, is there any reason NOT to do that other than inflation I guess? Just seems kinda funny that you are claiming everything anyway, where's the money come from?
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:At what point does it start to make sense to just take out a handful of loans to embrace an institution? Like say if it's going to cost me an additional 1000 ducats and I'm pulling ~12 ducats per month on average, and it's spreading very slowly in my provinces, and I'm sitting at 35% tech penalty at this point, it seems like it would make sense to just go ahead and buy it out immediately with 3-4 loans. The situation you describe is exactly when I'd take out loans. More than 5 is too early, but once you're down below that it makes more sense to get the loans than to wait another decade for another round of provinces to get the institution. If you're planning to develop for an institution then yeah, do it as soon as possible. The longer it's in your country the less expensive it will be to embrace when the tech penalty gets to be a little much. No reason not to take all the ducats. You're raiding their treasury, which I guess gets stolen by the fleeing aristocracy unless you demand it.
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the weird part is when you full annex and they don't let you take all the gold. like the last sovereign king is buried with it or something
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