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As you mention, Triple H wasn't afraid of Mankind but he was terrified of Cactus Jack. This actually happened twice, in 97 and 2000. I think Dude Love was explained as something Mick was doing to entertain Vince for some reason, but he had two matches with Austin which are considered some of the best either man ever had, so he was no less capable a wrestler. Not sure about the gimmick acknowledgement thing, but it rings a bell. Someone else must have done that.
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I think the idea is that Jack is probably more likely to be DQ'ed in a regular match, but in a gimmick match or straight fight, he's way more dangerous than either other persona. Mankind will take a beating, but Cactus Jack can give one out. Nash sort of acknowledges his old gimmicks and everyone knows Stardust/Goldust and the Rhodes brothers are the same. But there aren't many guys who drastically changed characters like that in the last 20 years. It was more of a thing before the Monday Night Wars and even then guys like Dusty and Flair were still fundamentally Dusty and Flair even in the WWF. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jan 22, 2017 |
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Gaz-L posted:I think the idea is that Jack is probably more likely to be DQ'ed in a regular match, but in a gimmick match or straight fight, he's way more dangerous than either other persona. Mankind will take a beating, but Cactus Jack can give one out. There was also the acknowledgement of Ziggler's Spirit Squad past in his feud with Miz last year.
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My point is more that Doctor of Thuganomics and the current "recognise!" John Cena are different gimmicks, just like Diesel and NWO Nash, but they're not so different that it's not obviously the same guy. Ziggler's a good call though, because he was Nick Nemeth at that point.
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Was the two-feet rule always part of the Rumble rules from the very start, or was it only introduced to make the '95 finish a thing that could happen?
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magnum_valentino posted:Was the two-feet rule always part of the Rumble rules from the very start, or was it only introduced to make the '95 finish a thing that could happen? I think it was always technically a thing, but they made it a very specific rule for the 95 one. I'm not sure if that was deliberately supposed to happen or if it was a Cena/Batista situation where Vince vamped so the planned finish could happen.
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Gaz-L posted:I think it was always technically a thing, but they made it a very specific rule for the 95 one. I'm not sure if that was deliberately supposed to happen or if it was a Cena/Batista situation where Vince vamped so the planned finish could happen. That was definitely the planned finish.
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The wife and I were watching Back to the Future and they showed George McFly's photo and his brother's head having faded away. I told her about the Ric Flair and Miss Elizabeth affair photos and how they later showed the originals with Macho Man and how good the fakes were. I know I've seen the comparisons between the fakes and originals but I'm having a tough time finding that. I feel like I've seen it on video and on a website but a lot of Googling hasn't gotten me there. Does anyone know of the video I'm thinking of?
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magnum_valentino posted:Not sure about the gimmick acknowledgement thing, but it rings a bell. Someone else must have done that. Corporate Kane and Demon Kane come to mind, and they've done the Demon thing with Balor, too.
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Oh! Joe Park and his brother Chris! Y'know, Abyss! And Jeff Hardy's million dumbass gimmicks.
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Mankind was a masochist, Cactus Jack was a sadist. Most of Mankind's matches were built around him withstanding punishment, Jack's were built around him dishing it out. Dude Love was a loser, and all of his matches were built around him losing.
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E-Diddy posted:The wife and I were watching Back to the Future and they showed George McFly's photo and his brother's head having faded away. I told her about the Ric Flair and Miss Elizabeth affair photos and how they later showed the originals with Macho Man and how good the fakes were. I know I've seen the comparisons between the fakes and originals but I'm having a tough time finding that. I feel like I've seen it on video and on a website but a lot of Googling hasn't gotten me there. Does anyone know of the video I'm thinking of? It was in the WWF magazine.
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When did people (other than Jake) start to use DDT regularly?
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Kennel posted:When did people (other than Jake) start to use DDT regularly? About 15 years earlier?
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dsriggs posted:About 15 years earlier? Man that ref was awful, Santo clearly had his shoulder up on the first fall. Pretty good swanton at the end though. Gotta say though, they need to learn to work a little slower and sell. That Santo kid has a future if he can learn some psychology. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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Timby posted:Corporate Kane and Demon Kane come to mind, and they've done the Demon thing with Balor, too.
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Halloween Jack posted:You forgot Kurly Kane. I heard he was super smelly, tho?
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Mankind was a masochist, Cactus Jack was a sadist. Most of Mankind's matches were built around him withstanding punishment, Jack's were built around him dishing it out. Foley also used different finishers for his gimmicks. Mankind had the mandible claw, Jack had the double-hooked DDT. Did Dude Love have a finisher, because I don't think I've ever seen Dude Love win a match.
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Benne posted:Did Dude Love have a finisher, because I don't think I've ever seen Dude Love win a match. He originally used the Mandible Claw but called it "The Love Handle", and later used Sweet Shin Music.
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^Beat me  ^Benne posted:Foley also used different finishers for his gimmicks. Mankind had the mandible claw, Jack had the double-hooked DDT. I know that the claw was called the love handle in recent video games, which is a great name for it. He also used the Double Arm DDT with a kick to the shin, calling it the the Sweet Shin Music. Jack also used the Stump Puller Pile driver and a diving elbow drop to the floor to finish guys off.
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Benne posted:Foley also used different finishers for his gimmicks. Mankind had the mandible claw, Jack had the double-hooked DDT. Sweet Shin Music. (Nah, I think he used the double-arm DDT still)
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I think the Double-Arm DDT was common to all Foley gimmicks. Didn't he pin Austin with it as Mankind at SummerSlam '99?
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remusclaw posted:^Beat me iirc the Jack elbow onto the concrete was what motivated Foley to develop The Mandible, even he knew it was seriously stupid to have to do that dive every night.
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He always knew he was loving up his hip with it. In his first book he wrote about being mad at a bad cameraman for missing the shot of him doing the elbow.
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The Nestea Plunge bump he used to do (the thing where he'd fall off the apron to the floor) was even worse
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Davros1 posted:And it would have made more sense for Rey to come out first. Of course it would, but they didn't want Rey to be an official Bell to Bell winner because it was more important for HHH to be #1 and last until the end.
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Rey coming out #2 was maybe the tenth-worst thing about the Rumble.
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Nut Bunnies posted:Of course it would, but they didn't want Rey to be an official Bell to Bell winner because it was more important for HHH to be #1 and last until the end. What's the difference?
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Sandman McMahon posted:What's the difference? In the latter, Triple H doesn't get his ego bruised ever so slightly.
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gently caress HHH for taking Backlund's record, BTW.
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HHH can break all of Backlund's records except the one where he was actually a box-office draw.
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How much more autonomy do folks in New Japan have with their characters and the direction of storylines and what have you? I mean, I know they don't have a creative team like the WWE and their style of show is different and all that, but do they have much input into what happens in a feud or is it mainly directed by Gedo and the other top brass in NJPW?
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So Road Dogg helped write/wrote SDL last night, is that true? Where is Ryan Ward? Is he off of SDL now?
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TV Zombie posted:So Road Dogg helped write/wrote SDL last night, is that true? Where is Ryan Ward? Is he off of SDL now? The only place this was ever said was one random post that cited Disco Inferno as the source, but there was no actual evidence of this being said anywhere. So of course goons take it as gospel. I've noticed that Smackdown go-home shows have been rather weak for the last few months, so this is maybe just a symptom of that. Rovert hasn't commented.
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meltzer said on tuesday that road dogg's influence was increasing though he wasn't sure if that exactly meant ryan ward wasn't the lead writer, anymore, i think. anyway bad nazi show for fascists
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WWE is actually good.
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Sandman McMahon posted:What's the difference? Nothing to most people, but there definitely was to WWE
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Venomous posted:How much more autonomy do folks in New Japan have with their characters and the direction of storylines and what have you? I mean, I know they don't have a creative team like the WWE and their style of show is different and all that, but do they have much input into what happens in a feud or is it mainly directed by Gedo and the other top brass in NJPW? Based on what Kenny Omega has said recently, New Japan has their plans set a year in advance but they're willing to change things up based on reactions/injuries/signings etc. Omega will often try to push his own ideas and New Japan is open to it if it looks like it has legs, but will also often shoot down ideas or tell him not to promote things that don't mesh with their plans. Omega is also probably a bit of a freak case though given his status as their top gaijin, but it does seem they are open to input from the wrestlers.
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