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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:nope Trump rode to the presidency on a campaign of racial fear and continually winked at internet Nazi subculture. The very first press conference was a series of bald faced lies and theats that the media believe them. If you don't see this as an emergency, then I don't know what will convince you. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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AARO posted:You think Spencer's words are likely to incite or produce such action immanently? Yes, his words caused a man to punch him. Ergo his words incite violence. Pittsburgh Lambic posted:well that got weird af, a blog i read is now arguing that punching nazis and laughing about punching nazis will lead to minorities getting violenced by police more If we start punching and laughing at cops, yes they'll retaliate. But gently caress em, they've already been mass murdering minorities for centuries. got any sevens fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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Jan 23, 2017 02:07
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AARO posted:Arguing against the analogy is embarrassingly sophomoric drivel. No, your analogy was bad and wrong, and now that you've been called out on comparing Nazis to gay people, you're blaming everyone else for your poor argument.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:10
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AARO posted:In the situation I set forth the reason he was punched was for stating that he was gay. It was not his being gay that triggered the punch, it was that he had spoken such. Hi, nobody actually thinks like this and if you think that the course of reasoning was "this person said he was gay, therefore I will punch him because of the phonemic/lexemic sequence that he vocalized" rather than "this person said he was gay, therefore he probably is, therefore I will punch him" then you don't know how language works. Your scenario is unbelievably stupid, because a man who said that he was gay in a context that undercut the statement and signaled his heterosexuality would not be subject to that kind of treatment. He was not punched for a phonemic sequence, he was punched because the aggressor thought that what he said was true.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:10
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:yeah i was going to make another post about this but the popehat article about it pretty much summarized my feelings on the issue concern_trolling.txt Also dramatically misunderstanding how hate groups operate. But I repeat myself.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:11
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Jan 23, 2017 02:11
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i mean i don't like nazis but i like violence even less
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Jan 23, 2017 02:13
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Bel_Canto posted:Hi, nobody actually thinks like this and if you think that the course of reasoning was "this person said he was gay, therefore I will punch him because of the phonemic/lexemic sequence that he vocalized" rather than "this person said he was gay, therefore he probably is, therefore I will punch him" then you don't know how language works. Your scenario is unbelievably stupid, because a man who said that he was gay in a context that undercut the statement and signaled his heterosexuality would not be subject to that kind of treatment. He was not punched for a phonemic sequence, he was punched because the aggressor thought that what he said was true. I get to set the parameters on my own hypothetical situation. Do I need to substitute the man who punches him for an alien who only punch people for saying they are gay (AAWOPPFSTAG). Fine it's AAWOPPFSTAG. Can we move on now?
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i mean i don't like nazis but i like violence even less 
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i mean i don't like nazis but i like violence even less Welcome to the struggle, my white brother! Together we will make the world understand that Nazis aren't bad. WPWW!
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Okay, but have you seen it now? Here, I'll quote it for you if you're having trouble finding it. Which side do you think you would have agreed with if you had been around when it came out? Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i mean i don't like nazis but i like violence even less, and posters in the thread got kinda weird and tinfoil-ish about trump and the impending trump disasters, so it all just seems kind of silly from outsider's perspective to see people advocating fisticuffs and rebellion against the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy or w/e i'm supposed to call it Hate crimes spiked after Trump's election. His vice president supports conversion therapy for gay kids. His pick for chief strategist has a history of antisemitism and runs a news site dedicated to the very ideals espoused by neo-nazis and his pick for attorney general literally lost his job because he was too openly racist in the '80s and attacking voting rights of minorities. And I'm going to remind you that you seemed surprised he was endorsed by the KKK and thought Spencer was an obscure figure rather than someone with several interviews in high profile media outlets and also the guy who coined the term "alt-right". Perhaps you should consider reading up on things more before taking a definitive stance. yellowyams fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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yellowyams posted:Okay, but have you seen it now? Here, I'll quote it for you if you're having trouble finding it. I'm pretty sure that punching a white man in the face is worse than any of those things though . . .
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The whole point of nazism/fascism is that life is eternal conflict and that only a state which exercises systemic violence for its own gain can succeed. If you don't like violence, you should dislike nazism more. It requires and positively endorses not just isolated bouts of violence, but systematic violence (like Spencer calling for black genocide). Rodatose fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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Jan 23, 2017 02:21
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AARO posted:I get to set the parameters on my own hypothetical situation. Do I need to substitute the man who punches him for an alien who only punch people for saying they are gay (AAWOPPFSTAG). Fine it's AAWOPPFSTAG. Can we move on now? No because in that case your analogy sucks and doesn't remotely map on to what's happening. You're attempting an equivocation that doesn't work and don't seem to understand why it doesn't.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:21
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Rodatose posted:The whole point of nazism/fascism is that life is eternal conflict and that only a state which exercises systemic violence for its own gain can succeed. That's more Italian Fascism, especially the more modern parts of Italian Fascism. The Nazi romantic vision of violence is very different and, frankly, a lot scarier. It's the difference between trying to be the fastest in a race and dying in a horrific crash because you went faster than you could control and knocking someone off the track so you can win.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:25
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Bel_Canto posted:No because in that case your analogy sucks and doesn't remotely map on to what's happening. You're attempting an equivocation that doesn't work and don't seem to understand why it doesn't. I guess we're at an impasse. I really am trying here to understand what the hell you're saying.
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AARO posted:I guess we're at an impasse. I really am trying here to understand what the hell you're saying. That's funny, because everyone else understands what you are saying and finds it loving abhorrent. Maybe you should check out a mirror sometime?
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Jan 23, 2017 02:26
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Shbobdb posted:That's funny, because everyone else understands what you are saying and finds it loving abhorrent. Oh I defintely will take a look at what you're saying in an attempt to change.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:28
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yellowyams posted:Okay, but have you seen it now? Here, I'll quote it for you if you're having trouble finding it. idk i'd probably find something else to do; i've never gotten worked up enough about politics to march about anything i mean, i'm a little leery of The Greatening but i'm not panicking about it either, not calling it an emergency or running around screaming and from the looks of things most of the country isn't dissolving into chaos about trump just yet either sometimes it helps to just chill out
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Jan 23, 2017 02:29
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Shbobdb posted:That's more Italian Fascism, especially the more modern parts of Italian Fascism. What was the difference I thought that nazism had its intellectual roots in the same general place as the musolini/italiian facism and other fascisms of the time, especially drawing from futurism's glorification of violence, motion, nation and technology
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Jan 23, 2017 02:30
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Chill people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than ‘politics. They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t chill people? Resisters.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:31
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:sometimes it helps to just chill out hahaha yeah just tell this guy to chill out  look how chill he is, about to get shot by a cop for being black just chill out man!
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Jan 23, 2017 02:31
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Rodatose posted:What was the difference Not that it matters that much, but the Futurism of Italian Fascism is in conflict with the Romanticism found in German Nazism. But that's window dressing on a poo poo pie 
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Jan 23, 2017 02:32
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AARO posted:Oh I defintely will take a look at what you're saying in an attempt to change. Please tell your friends and family members that you're a Nazi sympathizer and report their reactions back to us, thanks in advance.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:33
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It wasn't just some random trump supporter that got punched. It was a literal white supremacist who supports literal genocide of black people.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:33
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Just posting about the man in the last page who said "I dislike nazis but I dislike violence even more" hahaha
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Jan 23, 2017 02:33
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GBS is catching on. Look how much good your memes have done. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 23, 2017 02:35
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:idk i'd probably find something else to do; i've never gotten worked up enough about politics to march about anything Is that your response? Should MLK and other civil rights activists have chilled out until things got better? When do you think that would have happened?
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Jan 23, 2017 02:36
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AARO posted:I guess we're at an impasse. I really am trying here to understand what the hell you're saying. Punching someone because of how they were born isn't the same as punching someone for the beliefs they hold. The fact that in both cases they told the puncher about the thing they got punched for doesn't make the two situations somehow equivalent.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:nope oh my, lmao.
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Main Paineframe posted:Punching someone because of how they were born isn't the same as punching someone for the beliefs they hold. The fact that in both cases they told the puncher about the thing they got punched for doesn't make the two situations somehow equivalent. As a straight cishet white man, these all look the same to me. I don't know why you people are making such a big deal 
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Jan 23, 2017 02:39
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Main Paineframe posted:Punching someone because of how they were born isn't the same as punching someone for the beliefs they hold. The fact that in both cases they told the puncher about the thing they got punched for doesn't make the two situations somehow equivalent. Do you doubt the possibility of coming up with a hypothetical situation in which the one who is assaulted is beaten merely for speech and also blameless? 1950's. Guy speaks out in defense of black people. Gets punched. (Or an infinite amount of other analogies) gently caress off with this argue against the analogy poo poo.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:45
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"Defending black people is equivalent to calling for genocide on national media" - very serious people
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Jan 23, 2017 02:47
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AARO posted:Do you doubt the possibility of coming up with a hypothetical situation in which the one who is assaulted is beaten merely for speech and also blameless? no see we're back in the civil rights era and a black dude is being accused of rape, castrated, hanged and burned alive literally every day and you need to be up in arms about this
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AARO posted:1950's. Guy speaks out in defense of black people. Gets punched. (Or an infinite amount of other analogies) This would be bad. Here's a different hypothetical: 2017. Guy speaks out in support of killing all black people. Gets punched.
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Jan 23, 2017 02:48
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:no see we're back in the civil rights era and a black dude is being accused of rape, castrated, hanged and burned alive literally every day and you need to be up in arms about this Hi, please answer this: yellowyams posted:Is that your response? Should MLK and other civil rights activists have chilled out until things got better? When do you think that would have happened?
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Jan 23, 2017 02:48
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i can't answer that because i'm not mlk, nor a civil rights activist, nor was i alive during that era
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Jan 23, 2017 02:49
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i can't answer that because i'm not mlk, nor a civil rights activist, nor was i alive during that era Please explain how that leaves you unable to answer. Is history closed off from analysis once it passes? Should we get rid of history classes because there's nothing to learn from them?
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Jan 23, 2017 02:51
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i can't answer that because i'm not mlk, nor a civil rights activist, nor was i alive during that era Nor would you be any of these things if you were alive in that era by the sound of it.
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Is punching the leader of the NBPP justified for his support of killing white babies?
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