alf_pogs posted:

i wonder what the total post count of the combined star citizen threads is. the last thread was stopped at page 6665, no idea on the one before that

Regrettable posted:

That's 266,600 posts if it made it to the end of the page. It has to be close to one million.

alf_pogs posted:

i wonder what the total post count of the combined star citizen threads is. the last thread was stopped at page 6665, no idea on the one before that

IrvingWashington posted:

Hello SC thread. My dog died yesterday. Osteosarcoma. She was only with us for 5 1/2 wonderful years. Remember to call your dogges. They love you and want you to have all the fidolety you can handle.

Ghostlight posted:

Not that you should eat half a pineapple in one sitting, but that's about how much it takes before your mouth starts tingling, and by the end of it you're gonna be tender for a while.

Quavers posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466 (6665 pages)
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3744337 (746 pages)
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3639730 (905 pages)

Can't find a thread before the earliest one. Perhaps Beer knows as he's been the OP of three of them.

Zzr posted:

I think fat people should pay a carbon tax, because they give off way more methane than human beings ; they are like cows.

Quavers posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3748466 (6665 pages)
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3744337 (746 pages)
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3639730 (905 pages)

Can't find a thread before the earliest one. Perhaps Beer knows as he's been the OP of three of them.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I'm not sure how to find them, but I'll see if I kept a record anywhere.

Inkel posted:

TheAgent .. do you even understand mocap development?

Sappo569 posted:

Ah the good ol' days



2012. Someone said this in 2012, and Chris is still doing exactly what was predicted

Sappo569 posted:

Ah the good ol' days



2012. Someone said this in 2012, and Chris is still doing exactly what was predicted

Chris Roberts 2012 AMA posted:

You can definitely crash land on a carrier deck without blowing up. I've done it a few times!

Inkel posted:

So many innocent goons, throwing so much money at mushmouth-Roberts

Kosumo posted:

Hey Beer, can I ask how is your toe or is that doxing? (This is not me asking about your toe or doxing/please confirm that AftJason, you're my only hope)

spacetoaster posted:

Here you are: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3511398&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Inkel posted:

Flash forward to current Star Citizen where even looking at a ship wrong will sometimes cause it to spontaneously explode and fly off into space at 1,000 km/s.

Fat Shat Sings posted:

i get that's why they troll the thread. This is one of the easier places on SA to troll due to there being so many J4Gs here. Random people who joined for the thread.

I get that, it makes sense.

But what is the end goal here? Why spend so long ironically trolling that you become the most prolific posters in the thread? Why spend tens of thousands of words on your ironic shitposting efforts repeating the same thing hundreds of times over a period of months?

is there some kind of FYAD savior that has been foretold to return to teach these guys that they have lost their way or something? I'll pay for his re-reg.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Don't judge home interiors, just exteriors.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I think there's at least two or three more.

Inkel posted:

So many innocent goons, throwing so much money at mushmouth-Roberts

It's so strange reading through these old threads. I know I have the advantage of hindsight and I've only been following Star Citizen for less than a year, but all of the red flags were there right from the start. How could anyone buy the bullshit line of "Star Citizen will have everything you've ever dreamed of! Plus we'll do it in two years with a small budget and 20-30 people!"

Sunswipe posted:

I don't think I'll ever understand why anyone would think a videogame could be worth paying hundreds, or even thousands, of dollars for. Even if Roberts had delivered the game as promised, how would a single ship in it be worth hundreds?

spacetoaster posted:

Many goons, because of our cynical nature, saw the writing on the wall early and sold their ships on reddit for double/triple what was paid for them.

Megabound posted:

The amount of money that moved on the grey market was insane. I know I moved $88,000 (sale price, 40,000 sticker price) worth of jpegs around in my short, little career there. The biggest guys moved orders of magnitude more than me.

spacetoaster posted:

And people, just tuning in, will doubt our stories of fathers spending their children's college funds. Others losing spouses because of JPEG debt. And many, many more.









Sometimes, in this thread, I start to feel that we're hating Chris, Sandi, Ben, etc a little too much. And then I think: "They KNOW this is a sham. They know exactly what their doing." And I hate them intensely all over again.

We say it often, not to be cruel, but because it's absolutely (and horribly) true. People will commit suicide over this stupid, stupid game.

spacetoaster posted:

Sillybones posted:

I agree with the idea this guy is saying, but I have no actual knowledge on this. How can mocap data be incompatible? Do they not keep the raw data around (because it is huge?) and so immediately process it to some target skeleton? Even if you did that, you could write a tool to re-target that skeleton to another.

Or is it unsuitable as in they have already gone in and hand-cleaned the animations so it isn't that they need to record more, but that they need to re-spend the actual major cost which is the hand-cleaning part?

Please help, I do not understand game development.

TheAgent posted:

It's not incompatible.

Mocapping a few animations that end up blending into other animations is all fine and good, because its usually a brief second or two of animation that your anim team has to hand scrub anyway.

Mocapping an entire performance gets tricky. If you're not 100% confident of the take, you can have a lot of problems. You get weird wandering heads, eye darting, jiggling jowls, hands and arms and legs clipping through clothes and backgrounds and other characters and a whole lotta other weird poo poo you gotta clean up by hand. These happen no matter how good your take is anyway, but the problems get more severe the less you understand about the technology and the more you utilize it. What might look great on the screen can be very, very hard to translate into a great performance.

What you end up doing, usually, is doing small point captures of various scenes. What no one has loving done because its goddamn stupid, is record 20+ hours of mocapped data. Especially if you don't have the model dimensions down, the scenery already fleshed out. Every rewrite or change is another huge amount of time, money and energy wasted.

So in walks Chris Roberts with his directorial dreams, not understanding the following:

• for every second of footage you shoot in the mocap rigs, it can take up to a ten minutes of dev time per character to fix (sometimes more)
  
• some scenes were shot with many, many characters (up to six to eight)
  
• multiple clothing changes or scene changes can increase this time
  
• the more characters interacting together in a scene, the more time it takes per character to animate correctly
  

You're talking with that 20+ hours of mocap footage alone, something like 12,000 hours of manpower at the very minimum. But wait, this only really works if these are all entirely cutscene type deals with 0 player interaction. Because then you need programmers to script the triggers for the 20+ hours of conversation you have going on.

To get that into a fully working state for 20+ hours of mocap, I'd say that's three to five years of work across art and programming teams, after the principle mocap shoot was completed. It's about fifteen times longer than your average cartoon 3d animated film AND you're trying to hit the highest fidelity ever seen in this media. That means extra work on hair, clothing, textures, shaders, everything for every single character and every single costume has to be absolutely perfect in every. single. loving. scene.

This also means any script changes or rewrites or other problems after the principle shooting has to be reshot, completely redone by the art team and then rejiggered by the programming team.

This also means that the game you're building to showcase this amazing twenty hour long opus needs to be built as well. And you're not just building a single player game, but a heavily multiplayer driven MMO style FPS action game too, with hundreds of not entirely fleshed out mechanics. And if you gently caress up and realize "poo poo, we can't get this <whatever feature> to work right, but we have an hour+ of footage important to the game that needs that feature," you need to go back and edit and reshoot and have your artists and programmers redo a bunch of work again and again and again and again and again and again

Senor Dog posted:

You complaining about trolls is loving hilarious

spacetoaster posted: