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Seriously. There's even retarded hate for heroes replacing Tony, Spider-Man, Cap, Thor. I have no idea why. Guess why. Oh it's okay to introduce new characters, just don't touch the originals. Keep the same packaging preserved forever like in the childhood.
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X-O posted:The answer to this is almost always yes no matter what character you're talking about. People want the characters they grew up reading. They're afraid or ambivalent or angry about change. There are a ton of people that consider Eddie Brock the only Venom and everything else since has just been treading water until he gets it back. People felt that way about Dick Grayson as Batman and Sam Alexander as Nova and they feel that way about Jane Foster, Amadeus Cho, Laura Kinney, and Sam Wilson right now. Very true. For instance... I miss Danny Ketch/Noble Kale in the red and yellow leathers. Seriously. But I like Robbie Reyes too. I think Johnny Blaze is best used as a guy who got out of the Ghost Roding biz and stayed out but is still a main/recurring character. Oh well, it's just comics.
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Jan 24, 2017 03:15
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Johnny and Danny need to go to hell and unsurp and rule it.
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Jan 24, 2017 03:22
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Gatts posted:Seriously. There's even retarded hate for heroes replacing Tony, Spider-Man, Cap, Thor. I have no idea why. Because abloo bloo bloo SJWs making my characters black/female/gay/whatever!!!!!
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Jan 24, 2017 03:36
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Endless Mike posted:Because abloo bloo bloo SJWs making my characters black/female/gay/whatever!!!!! Eh, that's a small part of it for sure. Mostly though it's just that most comic fans are very resistant to change.
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Jan 24, 2017 03:38
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Eh, the only one I really cared about was the change in Novas and that's just because they killed off Richard. I enjoyed the issues of the last volume I've read and I REALLY enjoy the current volume.
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Jan 24, 2017 03:43
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all of those characters were either killed or incapacitated when they were replaced. ultimate peter parker dying is where miles came in; same with logan and laura. sam took over as cap when steve got old, jane became thor when the odinson became unworthy, and both riri and iron doom are from tony's dumbass ending in civil war 2 (well, riri would have done it anyway but she didn't get her own book until after that so...). cho basically took the hulk from banner as well the only ones that aren't currently existing in the same space as their originals right now are riri and doom, and that's just because civil war 2 ended like a month ago. odinson is still unworthy and technically it's a different logan, but eh; they do the same stuff
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Jan 24, 2017 04:16
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Jan 24, 2017 04:21
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We sold three times as many MCM #0's as the final issue of the previous series. ANECDOTAL.
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Jan 24, 2017 04:23
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Endless Mike posted:Because abloo bloo bloo SJWs making my characters black/female/gay/whatever!!!!! "Don't forget being SJW's themselves!"- Mark Waid
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Jan 24, 2017 04:29
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Rhyno posted:We sold three times as many MCM #0's as the final issue of the previous series. Right I should have asked how things were going for you.' EDIT: That's not sarcastic either.
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Jan 24, 2017 04:30
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Onmi posted:Right I should have asked how things were going for you. To be fair, BBC's customer base is much larger than mine.
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Jan 24, 2017 04:31
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Was there any significant change from 0 to 1
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Jan 24, 2017 04:44
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site posted:Was there any significant change from 0 to 1 Not enough time has passed to assess sales on #1.
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Jan 24, 2017 04:56
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X-O posted:Eh, that's a small part of it for sure. Mostly though it's just that most comic fans are very resistant to change. Yeah, this is a huge thing with nerd culture everywhere; it's all enormously neophobic. It's why Pacific Rim struggled to break even, for example.
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Jan 24, 2017 05:38
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X-O posted:I'll be going from not reading Venom to... not reading Venom. Flash or bust for me. Flash stopped being interesting pretty much the second Remender stopped writing him. I hope Eddie kills Mania so people can stop hoping for her to come back.
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Jan 24, 2017 05:39
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The man called M posted:"Don't forget being SJW's themselves!"- Mark Waid Mark Waids problem isn't that they'd SJWs themselves. He just handles them so clumsily. And as interesting/fun as Cho Hulk is, I still think Cho worked best as a foil to Hercules.
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Jan 24, 2017 05:41
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I thought Mighty Captain Marvel was good? Even beyond my bias I liked Carol just hanging out with Jess being uncomfortable with her popularity, and actually dealing with the consequences of her actions with being ostracized by the hero community for the most part. But yea I can understand why sales weren't good because trying to get a character over and then making them be a complete rear end in a top hat in your lovely event is a really, really bad idea. Not that it's a particularly unique take on it, but it's so god drat obvious that it's amazing that Marvel thought it was a good idea. Though watch her in Infinity War will be amazing and she will instantly become a massive cultural icon, though for some reason Marvel will hold back producing any merch with Brie Larsen's face on it because of some weird idea that girls don't like this stuff.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:02
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Remember when comic shops were saying that Champions was an utter failure, and its ended up selling just fine?
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Jan 24, 2017 06:06
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Roth posted:Remember when comic shops were saying that Champions was an utter failure, and its ended up selling just fine? Remember when Marvel did a 100% overship on the book to pump up their sales numbers?
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Jan 24, 2017 06:07
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hot take: i think it is just as silly to call people who prefer the old characters terrified manbabies as calling people who prefer the new ones sjw cultural marxists I just like to read books with pictures. Star-Lord was very fun, and I like that each issue seems to be starting with some beefcake.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:10
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I think issue #1 was inflated due to Scholastic book fairs as well, but #2 and #3 were both about where I'd expect them to be within the Top 50. I doubt Captain Marvel will sell that well, but I just think it's best to wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:12
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Clawtopsy posted:hot take: i think it is just as silly to call people who prefer the old characters terrified manbabies as calling people who prefer the new ones sjw cultural marxists That is exactly what they are. It's not the worst thing they can be but let's not pretend.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:13
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Clawtopsy posted:hot take: i think it is just as silly to call people who prefer the old characters terrified manbabies as calling people who prefer the new ones sjw cultural marxists I don't think it applies to everybody who prefers the older characters, but the amount of vitriol I've seen directed at characters like Jane (who a lot of people call Whor because that's really clever) is really concerning.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:15
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To be fair there is a difference between those that hate change and those that actively hate women/minorities.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:30
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CharlestheHammer posted:To be fair there is a difference between those that hate change and those that actively hate women/minorities. 
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Jan 24, 2017 06:42
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Clawtopsy posted:hot take: i think it is just as silly to call people who prefer the old characters terrified manbabies as calling people who prefer the new ones sjw cultural marxists Agreed. I'm divided on the subject. Love Jane-Thor. Don't care about Sam-Cap. Riri William's becoming Iron Man felt very forced and not at all organic but her book is friggin excellent so I got over it.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:48
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Rhyno posted:Agreed. I'm divided on the subject. Love Jane-Thor. Don't care about Sam-Cap. Riri William's becoming Iron Man felt very forced and not at all organic but her book is friggin excellent so I got over it. well to be fair, she became ironheart instead 
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Jan 24, 2017 06:51
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Manatee Cannon posted:well to be fair, she became ironheart instead YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. Also digital Tony is the best supporting character ever.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:54
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They should really go that way with the movies when RDJ is ready to wind down.
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Jan 24, 2017 07:05
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Open Marriage Night posted:They should really go that way with the movies when RDJ is ready to wind down. I'm holding out for a deaged Tony and them casting Adam Brody.
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Jan 24, 2017 07:06
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Rhyno posted:I'm holding out for a deaged Tony and them casting Adam Brody. They could go full-on The Crossing and cast Grant Gustin. ....I'm not sure if I hate that idea or not, actually...
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Jan 24, 2017 07:37
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They should give rhodey his legs back and bring back war machine cuz don cheadle is a boss
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Jan 24, 2017 07:52
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site posted:They should give rhodey his legs back and bring back war machine cuz don cheadle is a boss this is just the setup for him becoming venom and going to space with the guardians of the galaxy
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Jan 24, 2017 08:17
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Rhyno posted:I'm holding out for a deaged Tony and them casting Adam Brody. We already got deaged RDJ in Civil War. You and your sick fantasies. How about a Fantastic Force movie when Fox gets real desperate?
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Jan 24, 2017 08:17
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Manatee Cannon posted:this is just the setup for him becoming venom and going to space with the guardians of the galaxy lmao
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Jan 24, 2017 08:23
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I think an interesting story for Venom could be Eddie and the suit both re-evaluating each other after reuniting. "Hey, are we still crazy?" "God I hope not." "Whoa." I mean sure, it'll all go to poo poo because why else bring em together again, but it'd be really nice if it didn't go from 0 to MURDERSPREE in like six seconds.
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Jan 24, 2017 10:19
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Eddie's already killing people and being crazy with a different symbiote right now.
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Rhyno posted:The film studio probably wants traditional Venom back for use as a film bad guy. Marvel will care a little bit more what Sony wants now thanks do their agreement about Spider-Man, but I doubt it goes this far. twistedmentat posted:I thought Mighty Captain Marvel was good? Even beyond my bias I liked Carol just hanging out with Jess being uncomfortable with her popularity, and actually dealing with the consequences of her actions with being ostracized by the hero community for the most part. I didn't much like it to be honest. It felt a lot like "Carol is so great, and the normal people see how great she is, why don't the other heroes see how great she is. Here again a example of great she is. Watch her talk with the President! Watch her delegate tasks! Watch her get emotional over little blue Kree girl!" The Hala refugee/bounty hunter story was too little to grip me yet either. Decius fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Jan 24, 2017 |
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The last rumor going around with Venom was that Sony wanted to keep it separate completely from Spider-Man and the MCU. Which is dumb, but you know it's Sony.
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