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I can't remember, was there even an explanation for why there's an 'ur' before gold? I mean, it's probably piss poor but was there?
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It's dwarven? The capes all look really static too, like they've just been draped on the people.
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Jan 24, 2017 10:10
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it's not actual gold it's bits of grimnir (née gotrek) they get high off of sigmarine armour is not ur-gold anyway. it's sigmarite. 
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Jan 24, 2017 10:16
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Irate Tree posted:I can't remember, was there even an explanation for why there's an 'ur' before gold? I mean, it's probably piss poor but was there?
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Jan 24, 2017 10:18
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Saint Drogo posted:it's not actual gold it's bits of grimnir (née gotrek) they get high off of Basicall ur-gold is poppers for the gay bear dwarves, that they take before dousing themselves in lubricant, and entering a mosh pit to the sound of pounding techno
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Jan 24, 2017 10:25
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Safety Factor posted:Fluff-wise, ur-gold is like the fragments of the fyredorfs' dead god, Grimnir from WHFB. Apparently he died at some point? In reality, it's done to add a false sense of gravitas to the whole thing because it's a new setting and there's no better way to do that that add useless prefixes and adjectives all over the place.
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Jan 24, 2017 10:47
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Safety Factor posted:Fluff-wise, ur-gold is like the fragments of the fyredorfs' dead god, Grimnir from WHFB. Apparently he died at some point? In reality, it's done to add a false sense of gravitas to the whole thing because it's a new setting and there's no better way to do that that add useless prefixes and adjectives all over the place. I think the writer should go gently caress ur-self
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Jan 24, 2017 10:54
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Irate Tree posted:The sad thing too is that, their spiel has them as the scouts of the army and that they have "less bulky armour" than the others. How are they? It's the exact same armour, you just gave them larger capes and some poo poo on the front! They left the mask of
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Jan 24, 2017 11:00
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Irate Tree posted:You know, i have an easier time picturing the repeater crossbow from Vermintide working over this thing. Like, it's pretty loving clear that very little, if any thought, was put into the look of those pistol things. It just looks like they took a pistol from any place and strapped a bow to it. To be fair, she's literally armed with a pistol that has a bow strapped to it. They have separate functions, and would function in the real world.
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Jan 24, 2017 11:54
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Maybe an Sigmar summoned a million bolt-crossbow-repeater-pistols because they couldn't find one at the time, and the sigmarines are just using them because they were lying around
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Jan 24, 2017 12:18
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The crossbow pistol discussion reminded me of the vaulters from Endless Legend, whose crossbows look like assault rifles: Only in that case it works because their ancestor crashed onto the fantasy planet in a spaceship and of course they're trying to look like the mighty warriors of old.
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Jan 24, 2017 12:36
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tacticool harpoon gun is pretty rad
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Jan 24, 2017 14:06
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Also, they look like they could actually work. The strings are even visible on one!
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Jan 24, 2017 15:22
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Bad Decision Dino posted:Are you sure it isn't so they could trademark Ur-gold? Bingo.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:11
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Bad Decision Dino posted:Are you sure it isn't so they could trademark Ur-gold?
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Jan 24, 2017 17:26
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MikeCrotch posted:Maybe an Sigmar summoned a million bolt-crossbow-repeater-pistols because they couldn't find one at the time, and the sigmarines are just using them because they were lying around
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Jan 24, 2017 18:05
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I found out I get mildly upset when people use the stupid aos names unironically
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Jan 24, 2017 18:10
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You only discovered this today?
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Jan 24, 2017 18:20
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There are people who use the AoS names unironically?
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Jan 24, 2017 18:29
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:There are people who use the AoS names unironically? Those people who play AoS.
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Jan 24, 2017 18:38
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Anyone who has the sheer lack of self-awareness that is required to unironically utter the word "Bloodsecrator" really needs to be committed to an institution.
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Jan 24, 2017 19:30
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Drone posted:Anyone who has the sheer lack of self-awareness that is required to unironically utter the word "Bloodsecrator" really needs to be committed to an institution. 
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Jan 24, 2017 19:39
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Bistromatic posted:The crossbow pistol discussion reminded me of the vaulters from Endless Legend, whose crossbows look like assault rifles:
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Jan 24, 2017 19:40
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Did GW actually completely stop localizing their product names? I know for 40k and WHFB there were quite a few things that were translated from English into the local market languages -- definitely not everything, but some (here in Germany, a Space Marine Librarian is a Scriptor, or a Dreadnought is a Cybot, and iirc a lot of Tau vehicles were translated). I ask because I just checked the GW website in Germany to see if they actually bothered translating lovely loving names like Bloodsecrators or Bloodbloods or whatever into other languages, and the answer is nope.
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Jan 24, 2017 19:57
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Joe_Richter posted:Also, they look like they could actually work. The strings are even visible on one! It is ruining my narrative !
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Jan 24, 2017 20:18
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Drone posted:Did GW actually completely stop localizing their product names? I know for 40k and WHFB there were quite a few things that were translated from English into the local market languages -- definitely not everything, but some (here in Germany, a Space Marine Librarian is a Scriptor, or a Dreadnought is a Cybot, and iirc a lot of Tau vehicles were translated). I ask because I just checked the GW website in Germany to see if they actually bothered translating lovely loving names like Bloodsecrators or Bloodbloods or whatever into other languages, and the answer is nope. You'd think that German would make it more enticing to string together unwieldy compound nouns, not less 
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Jan 24, 2017 20:25
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Have they actually bothered to do this? How many of the new names have they trademarked, anyway? I dunno about in the UK. In the US, we have a convenient online search tool for finding trademarks, both current and expired! http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4804:1kod9t.1.1 For example, there are two entries registered in the US for "WARHAMMER AGE OF SIGMAR" broadly covering computer games and other digital content, printed matter, and (non-computer) games. I'm not sure why they needed two, which appear to be identical, but I'm not an expert on the vagaries of registering trademarks. Notably, "SIGMAR" by itself is already trademarked for use in children's books and jigsaw puzzles by some Argentinian company. I searched for "STORMCAST ETERNAL" and got no relevant results. "STORMCAST" on its own produces a handful of dead trademarks for weather forecasting products. I also get no results for "BLOODBOUND," "AELF," or "ORRUK" so at that point I gave up. I don't believe GW has bothered to trademark most of their nonsense words, at least in the US. Nor should they, since registering a trademark is expensive, and you have to maintain that registration with annual fees. Since they're not registered trademarks, anyone can name their products STORMCAST AELF ETERNAL BLOODSECUTORS in the US. However, there are still some fair trade protections: if you tried to sell products with the intent of making them confusingly similar to GW's products, you would very quickly get successfully sued. In general it's illegal to try to gain the benefit of a competitor's product design, packaging, naming, etc. - even aside from trademarks. As a caveat to that, however, to the extent to which some design detail or name is in the public domain - that is, has been used before, or is derived from prior art/use, anyone gets to use it. So for example, GW successfully sued Chapterhouse on the basis that their models have big pouldrons and big pouldrons are part of the design aesthetic unique to their product lines. On the other hand, they explicitly lost a lawsuit claim to the idea and name of "space marines" because power-armored space troopers called "space marines" were around before GW ever used them, have been used by many different authors in written fiction, and are just part of the general genre of space fantasy. GW's takeaway from the Chapterhouse suit and other lawsuits has been that by using brand new names for their dudes, there's no "prior art" and therefore no way for a competitor to claim that their Orruks, Aelfs, and Bloodsecutors are just based on that prior art rather than blatant ripoffs of GW's poo poo. Sooo.... yeah. GW does gain some IP protection by using unique names for everything. That protection is thin, though. They are on much better ground when they have original ideas rather than original names, because... why the gently caress would a competitor want to call their elves Aelves? They can still make and sell the poo poo out of a bunch of space elves, space orcs, space marines, etc. for you to use in your warhammer games and there's dick all GW can do about it. GW's entire IP is derivative of prior art. There are precious few actually original concepts. Their visual aesthetics are in a few cases somewhat distinctive - those big loving pouldrons on every goddamn thing, maybe the eldar aesthetic, maybe the logos for some of their chapters and chaos factions? If you tried to sell a product setting of the far future with an immortal but basically dead god-emperor, four chaos gods of decay, carnage, sex, and trickery, a realm of chaos that impinges on the mortal world from psychic activity, etc. etc. you'd be too strongly similar to warhammer 40k and be easily sued. Taken in totality, GW's IP is protectable. But in its constituent parts, it mostly isn't, and putting unique names on things doesn't change that. The names are also idiotic. That's really the biggest issue. "Orruks" and "ogors" and so on, it's loving embarrassing. If they gave them more evocative names that a normal, socially well-adjusted person could say out loud without blushing, that would be a big improvement.
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Irate Tree posted:I can't remember, was there even an explanation for why there's an 'ur' before gold? I mean, it's probably piss poor but was there? It's a real life mystic thing. Ur was one of the very first cities in recorded human history so Ur-"object" tends to be used to denote its status as a primal or original form. So Fyreslayers collect Ur-Gold because they are the Ur-Vomit Encrusted Tiny Bears.
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Jan 24, 2017 20:53
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Tangentially, some hilariously specific things from GW games - subterranean ratmen ruled by a council of 13, Chaos in general and the eight pointed star as its symbol - are lifted directly from other settings and a copyright free for all.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:It's a real life mystic thing. Ur was one of the very first cities in recorded human history so Ur-"object" tends to be used to denote its status as a primal or original form. Also the cities of ancient Sumer are the ones that built Ziggurats, ever a favourite thing of fantasy fans, and the one in the ruins of Ur is quite well preserved thanks to Saddam Hussein
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Jan 24, 2017 21:31
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Flipswitch posted:a minis game with Amplitude designed models would be cool. admittedly i just want cravers in a tabletop game 
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Jan 24, 2017 22:33
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If they wanted to reboot WHFB and get away from a high entry cost why not just ape the rules from LOTR they were excellent.
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Jan 24, 2017 22:44
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Safety Factor posted:You're not wrong. I'd be so down for that, their designs are always great. Just imagine busting out an army of Horatios. Make it a skirmish dugeon crawler thing with a premise like Frostgrave. Loot Endless stuff in either fantasy or scifi. Gather Dust to fuel magic and buy new stuff. Become the most beatiful Horatio. Now i rellay want that game.
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Saint Drogo posted:it's not actual gold it's bits of grimnir (née gotrek) they get high off of It's also probably not even bits of grimnir, but instead bits of slannesh that they have been misled into snorting. The only person who knows the truth is Sigmar and in a dickish move he's not telling them the truth.
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Jan 24, 2017 23:17
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Business Gorillas posted:I found out I get mildly upset when people use the stupid aos names unironically loving... IKR!
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Fun game: Find a serious AoS battle report on youtube that uses all the lingo and see how long you can make it. Come to think of it, it's not actually fun at all
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Bistromatic posted:Make it a skirmish dugeon crawler thing with a premise like Frostgrave. Loot Endless stuff in either fantasy or scifi. Gather Dust to fuel magic and buy new stuff. Become the most beatiful Horatio.
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I have a staff member who got into painting and playing 40K by her husband and she has a cool looking eldar army that is like harlequins or something I haven't played since 5th that she enjoys stomping smelly warhams who don't think women can play. Anyway, I don't know how I should or even have the heart to break the coming Sigmaring of her game. Maybe I'll just show some pics of Infinity figs.
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potentiallycool posted:If they wanted to reboot WHFB and get away from a high entry cost why not just ape the rules from LOTR they were excellent. One of these days ill finish my lotr conversion featuring the nigmo rumors.
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potentiallycool posted:If they wanted to reboot WHFB and get away from a high entry cost why not just ape the rules from LOTR they were excellent. This is actually what I thought they where going to do before the actual rules came out as you're right; the LotR skirmish rules are actually pretty good and massively better than what they actually came out with.
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