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From the GBS thread (not importing drama, just representin') re: "How exactly do you reasonably engage with "let's get rid of all the black people, just, y'know, make them go away":Novo posted:The same way you deal with the guy who thinks UFOs are transmitting eggnog recipes into his fillings. So if you're in public, you politely ignore him. If he's at your door with a gun then that's different. I'm preparing some sharp rear end rebuttals for that day, let me tell you
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yes let's politely ignore the people arguing for genocide until we're personally impacted. what could go wrong.
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Jan 24, 2017 21:07
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Kellyanne Conway punched a nazi!
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Jan 24, 2017 21:13
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Radish posted:What did she walk into a door frame? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...daily202&wpmm=1 quote:"Inside the ball we see a fight between two guys in tuxes and then suddenly out of nowhere came Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway who began throwing some mean punches at one of the guys," Gasparino wrote. "Whole thing lasted a few mins no one was hurt except maybe the dude she smacked."
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Jan 24, 2017 21:16
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"Whole thing lasted a few mins no one was hurt except maybe the dude she smacked." is one of the stupider things I've read from a correspondent.
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Jan 24, 2017 21:18
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Radish posted:
Instead of him talking to the press by himself, he's going to talk to the press with nazi "bodyguards" beside him. What a victory! ______________ And actually read between the lines on that quote. He's trying to generate sympathy from conservative people who only know him from the mainstream media (aka the people reporting he's 'the leader of the alt-right' instead of a neo-nazi genocide advocate) or the video (where he's a well-dressed guy calmly trying to talk about memes around a hostile crowd until he's sucker-punched instead of a neo-nazi preaching nazism) while painting his enemies as crazed maniacs that will attack him anywhere. Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jan 24, 2017 |
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Jan 24, 2017 21:38
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deep web creep posted:Here are the appropriate targets: nazis Again, I don't have a lot of problems with punching Richard Spencer, who is obviously, unequivocally, 100% a nazi in the face. If your point is, it's OK to punch people who have literally themselves endorsed the genocide of a race, then sure. My point is that the absolute lack of reflection on when this *is* appropriate is going to lead to a lot of people being defined as "nazis" and punched for tenuous reasons. And yeah, deciding when violence and direct action is an appropriate measure in protest is difficult, and should be. Do you think it's better that people don't give thought and reflection to their actions and just punch whoever they think might be a nazi?
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Jan 24, 2017 21:57
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botany posted:yes let's politely ignore the people arguing for genocide until we're personally impacted. what could go wrong. An argument literally no one ever has made.
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enki42 posted:An argument literally no one ever has made. Uhhh there is a refrain dedicated to the viewpoint dude quote:First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
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enki42 posted:An argument literally no one ever has made.  literally the post above me had a quote with that exact argument
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Condiv posted:Uhhh there is a refrain dedicated to the viewpoint dude quote:literally the post above me had a quote with that exact argument Sorry, I missed that one (and I meant this thread more). But yeah, anyone proposing no action whatsoever is an idiot. There's a big gap between that and "punch everyone you think might be a nazi".
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Radish posted:
It is weird that this is such a tricky issue for me. On the one hand, as a child I applauded a rather iconic image of a holocaust survivor's daughter smacking a marching nazi in the head with her purse. On the other hand, I completely get why smacking people with awful opinions because they deserve it is super subjective in some cases and having personally known a few former believers who fear retaliation from their old communities for speaking out about abuse or just issues with their faith in general, I get why its a slippery slope. On the other other hand, the remixes are loving hilarious.
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enki42 posted:Sorry, I missed that one (and I meant this thread more). But yeah, anyone proposing no action whatsoever is an idiot. There's a big gap between that and "punch everyone you think might be a nazi". That's why I brought a quote of that, it was strikingly dumb
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enki42 posted:"punch everyone you think might be a nazi". Who needs to think about anything? Why the gently caress are people saying this? It's not hard to figure out who is a nazi. They say things like "I am a nazi" and do things like LITERALLY advocate for LITERAL genocide. is this guy who is heiling hitler and yelling kill all jews a nazi???? jeez you guys i don't know there might be a slippery slope here oh nooooo!!!!!
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Jan 24, 2017 23:02
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"Hey we're just saying, y'know, what if there were no black people? Wouldn't it be neat if they were just, y'know, gone? The exact means of disposing of them, well, we call it 'peaceful ethnic cleansing' wink wink nudge nudge" https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=AlternativeRight.com&item_type=topic This is really their foundation of argument, they're not even subtle about it. I'm glad Spencer got punched and I hope he gets punched more.
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Jan 24, 2017 23:27
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Osama shouldn't have been assassinated, he should have been arrested. If not, then why is their use of violence legally acceptable?
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Jan 24, 2017 23:40
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Frankly the dude deserved to be punched because of his loving hair
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Jan 24, 2017 23:42
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deep web creep posted:Who needs to think about anything? Why the gently caress are people saying this? You need to think about what exactly constitutes a Nazi. We're all firmly on the side of Richard Spencer belonging in the "actual Nazi" category, but even by your standards: - He doesn't call himself a Nazi. - He hasn't directly advocated for literal genocide (he has hosted an article on his site authored by someone else that calls for literal genocide) Do I think he's a nazi? Absolutely. Do I think he, in particular, needed to be punched? Without question. But even in his case, the most nazi-ish nazi in America it's not *absolutely* black and white. And I think a lot of people are approaching this incident and nazi punching in general from "Nazi punching is good, if I think someone is a Nazi I can punch them", and that's going to result in a lot of supposed "nazis" getting punched or worse.
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Jan 24, 2017 23:47
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He did the whole Heil Hitler thing, that's close enough imo
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SSNeoman posted:Heil Hitler I found a Nazi! Punch it! It even has SS in its name!
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If he didn't actually mean literally Kill All The Black People, he would not be using words that literally mean Kill All The Black People ("ethnic cleansing", which he personally still advocates)
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Jan 24, 2017 23:58
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Yeah, sure, fair enough. Like I said, you won't find an argument from me that he's not a Nazi or worthy of punching. If your argument is "is it OK to punch Richard Spencer", then go hog wild.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:00
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Jan 25, 2017 00:02
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Call Me Charlie posted:Instead of him talking to the press by himself, he's going to talk to the press with nazi "bodyguards" beside him. They will do that anyway. People like him have spent the last eight years saying they were being oppressed by Obama for being white to the nodding of "moderate" Republicans everywhere. Crowder edited a video of him starting a fight with a union guy to make it look like he was the victim so they will manufacture this sort of thing even if it doesn't happen which will be picked up by every right wing media outlet. Nazis like him will play the victim card up until they are actively killing people and then say they are still defending themselves and right wingers will believe them all the way. White supremacy was on its way to being normalized already, this rear end getting punched isn't going to make people that weren't already open to ethnically cleansing their fellow citizens suddenly open to ideas they weren't before. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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Jan 25, 2017 00:38
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Trabisnikof posted:I found a Nazi! Punch it! It even has SS in its name! Sadly I got my name from Megaman Battle Network. I'm not a Nazi but a nerd 
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SSNeoman posted:Sadly I got my name from Megaman Battle Network. I'm not a Nazi but a nerd Yeah what ever SchutzstaffelNeoNaziUbermensch
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Crowsbeak posted:Add a red star to that boot. You don't have to be a communist to punch nazis. but it helps!
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enki42 posted:- He hasn't directly advocated for literal genocide (he has hosted an article on his site authored by someone else that calls for literal genocide)
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Jan 25, 2017 02:27
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You don't have to be a communist to punch nazis.
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While we're punching Nazis, Also punch members of any white nationalist organization. Also the Alt-right in general. It is morally good to punch almost all of these people. hth
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Jan 25, 2017 03:07
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Are wedgies of people who post meme frogs morally justified?
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Rodatose posted:Are wedgies of people who post meme frogs morally justified? We should wedgie all dipshit nerds really. If you don't then that's how you get Republicans. see Paul Ryan the Randroid? A good Atomic Wedgie would fix that problem right quick. We'd have universal healthcare in no time.
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A number of people have said in conversation about this whole nazi thing that it's okay, there's just no way there could ever be a fascist takeover in the US, and that the whole idea of ethnic extermination is so dumb that it could never catch on. I'm absolutely certain most of Germany never imagined poo poo like the Einsatzgruppen and gas chambers and ovens right up until they happened.
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Flesh Forge posted:A number of people have said in conversation about this whole nazi thing that it's okay, there's just no way there could ever be a fascist takeover in the US, and that the whole idea of ethnic extermination is so dumb that it could never catch on. I'm absolutely certain most of Germany never imagined poo poo like the Einsatzgruppen and gas chambers and ovens right up until they happened. Yeah it's like, this poo poo happened quite literally within living memory. "It could never happen here" is naive as gently caress considering Hitler was taken as a joke right up to the point where he seized power. Edit: Not to mention we are watching half of America deny the reality right before their eyes, and "you" somehow think that they'll wake up if fascists seize power. No, they'll blindly follow their fascist Strongman as long as he pisses off liberals. Rhjamiz fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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Anchor Wanker posted:While we're punching Nazis, Also punch members of any white nationalist organization. screw it, let's turn this entire nation into a free-for-all punch party, anyone we don't agree with deserves violence on the pretext that their opinions might, after 78 pre-requisite factors are fulfilled, lead to their own violence in some kind of nightmare world that i imagine trump will eventually create the earth is in a state of emergency everyone is a violence waiting to happen punch everything Pittsburgh Lambic fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:screw it, let's turn this entire nation into a free-for-all punch party, anyone we don't agree with deserves violence on the pretext that their opinions might, after 78 pre-requisite factors are fulfilled, lead to their own violence in some kind of nightmare world that i imagine trump will eventually create No one ever suggested we punch "anyone we don't agree with" and that hand-wringers need to expand it to that to make their arguments is pathetic.
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no no, you don't understand, if you're not literally panicking about trump then you're a genocide supporter
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