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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:no no, you don't understand, if you're not literally panicking about trump then you're a genocide supporter Sorry buddy, you're the only one making that argument.
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maybe you'll get it if i punch you enough times, genocide supporting nazi
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Jan 25, 2017 05:38
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Rhjamiz posted:Yeah it's like, this poo poo happened quite literally within living memory. "It could never happen here" is naive as gently caress considering Hitler was taken as a joke right up to the point where he seized power. I don't think that Trump is a fascist.
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Jan 25, 2017 05:40
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:maybe you'll get it if i punch you enough times, genocide supporting nazi Yeah okay dude  Hogge Wild posted:I don't think that Trump is a fascist. Didn't say he was. But I think he's making it easy for them, regardless.
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Jan 25, 2017 05:41
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Rhjamiz posted:Yeah okay dude that's exactly what a nazi does, blows off the threat and acts like it's not serious, everyone punch this guy
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Jan 25, 2017 05:42
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Have you not read any of the hundreds of essays Spencer and his publishing outlets have produced?
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Jan 25, 2017 06:01
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came into this thinking it was good to punch nazis, but after reading some of the arguments itt im beginning to wonder if maybe its not good to punch nazis
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Jan 25, 2017 06:11
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:that's exactly what a nazi does, blows off the threat and acts like it's not serious, everyone punch this guy nice meltdown
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Jan 25, 2017 06:13
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Look, if we say it's okay to punch Nazis, I bet sooner or later we'll start to justify violence against any racist anti-Semitic homophobic authoritarian hate group. It's a slippery slope here.
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Jan 25, 2017 06:17
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Lord Hydronium posted:Look, if we say it's okay to punch Nazis, I bet sooner or later we'll start to justify violence against any racist anti-Semitic homophobic authoritarian hate group. It's a slippery slope here. You mean like communists?
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Jan 25, 2017 06:21
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It's a good idea to beat up nazis
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Jan 25, 2017 06:21
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Calibanibal posted:came into this thinking it was good to punch nazis, but after reading some of the arguments itt im beginning to wonder if maybe its not good to punch nazis Please reconsider
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Jan 25, 2017 06:22
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Hogge Wild posted:You mean like communists?
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Jan 25, 2017 06:28
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Jan 25, 2017 06:28
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what im struggling with is the dilemma that pittberg lamb and others have argued persuasively, that punches intended for nazis may sometimes be received by non-nazis, for whatever reason. this troubles me there is also the issue that, having destroyed all nazis w/ punches, people may be then tempted to solve other problems with punching. this is bad, as punching is not a good solution for poor restaurant service, rush hour traffic, misbehaving dogs etc
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Jan 25, 2017 06:32
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Personally I want to live in a more loving and caring world, a world where people actually care about other people, because they might get punched
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Jan 25, 2017 06:44
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Also, I can't wait until we punch all the nazis, and then we can move on to punching the lesser racists and misogynists and then move on to the liberals, bring on the slippery slope imo
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Jan 25, 2017 06:46
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Is it morally ok to beat my wife if she hates Mongolians? Not legally ok, just morally guys.
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Jan 25, 2017 06:47
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AARO posted:Is it morally ok to beat my wife if she hates Mongolians? Hogge Wild posted:I don't think that Trump is a fascist. Flesh Forge posted:A number of people have said in conversation about this whole nazi thing that it's okay, there's just no way there could ever be a fascist takeover in the US, and that the whole idea of ethnic extermination is so dumb that it could never catch on. It's weird because hitler took inspiration for the holocaust from american native extermination programs so it's not like "it couldn't happen here" even makes sense.
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Jan 25, 2017 06:55
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Pull the switch and punch the NYT columnist, duh.
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AARO posted:Is it morally ok to beat my wife if she hates Mongolians? Is your wife advocating the genocide of Mongolians? then yes you should punch that nazi bitch  People keep asking these things the same way, it's like the loving "does the dog have a Buddha-nature" poo poo
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Jan 25, 2017 07:41
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AARO posted:Is it morally ok to beat my wife if she hates Mongolians? No. But if she progresses to actively advocating for the genocide of Mongolians you should definitely divorce her. Then when it's gone through and you're no longer in a domestic relationship with her you can go ahead and punch her for being a genocide advocate. Hope this helps.
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Jan 25, 2017 07:44
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Anchor Wanker posted:While we're punching Nazis, Also punch members of any white nationalist organization. I say Make the Alt Right live in fight.
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Jan 25, 2017 08:10
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^^^^forge the alt-right into a fighting force through constant harassment could work, could also not work very well. depending on several factors
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Jan 25, 2017 08:20
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*commits organized political violence* WE'RE THE ANTIFASCISTS!
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:screw it, let's turn this entire nation into a free-for-all punch party, anyone we don't agree with deserves violence on the pretext that their opinions might, after 78 pre-requisite factors are fulfilled, lead to their own violence in some kind of nightmare world that i imagine trump will eventually create But hey, if it is you need to punch them all, Hope This Helps. Hogge Wild posted:I don't think that Trump is a fascist.
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Calibanibal posted:what im struggling with is the dilemma that pittberg lamb and others have argued persuasively, that punches intended for nazis may sometimes be received by non-nazis, for whatever reason. this troubles me For the second, yeah it's a bad deal, which is why you're not supposed to let Nazis ever think they have free rein in your society to go around doing Nazi things. We kinda fell down on that one though, America, so time to get punching.
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Jan 25, 2017 08:41
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Nazis should be punched because they wreck everything, hate people for no good reason and are incapable of being negotiated with because violence is inherent to what they are, we kind of know this (most of us, anyway) because World War 2 and all that Nazi sympathizers should also be punched because they apologize for the fascists' crimes and enable their behaviour through their well meaning if not utterly unhelpful or outright destructive concern trolling. Trying to reason with fascists once they've weaseled their way into your government (as they have in the US) is a pointless endeavor since they're just going to gently caress you over anyway, and their apologists will always find something about your protests to invalidate your point or actions in their eyes no matter how "reasonable" you are Tighclops fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:*commits organized political violence against fascists* WE'RE THE ANTIFASCISTS! gently caress this gently caress you
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Jan 25, 2017 09:57
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trusting antifa with anything in this day of free information is not smart
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Jan 25, 2017 09:58
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If someone's speech is inciting violence then using force to prevent it is really just self-defense, no?
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Calibanibal posted:what im struggling with is the dilemma that pittberg lamb and others have argued persuasively, that punches intended for nazis may sometimes be received by non-nazis, for whatever reason. this troubles me As someone who used to be involved in some Antifa poo poo, I feel like I have some authority here. Generally speaking, Nazis and Antifa seek each other out to beat each other up as a form of catharsis. It's a lot of angry teenage poo poo. I'm unusual in that I'm "Old Money became no money (during the Great Depression)" in terms of my background. Most on both sides were more "Raisin in the Sun" types, where their families had dreams of social mobility that didn't work out. The parents displaced this frustration onto their kids.* And the kids found out that punching their feelings was good therapy  In other threads I've talked about how there was a ritualized component to Antifa/Nazi fights. It's pretty obvious and unless you are a total moron or actively trying to start a fight (and if you are, you are probably an Antifa/Nazi). An example that Goons might get since evidently all Goons love Jesus (still surprised by that one) or at least Crusader Kings 2 is Orthodox and Catholic Eucharist. Go to a modern wedding with a mixed crowd and both Orthodox and Catholic services will have a helpful note carefully detailing who can and cannot receive the Eucharist. What happens is that most people just awkwardly receive the Eucharist. But the people who care? They stand out. It's pretty obvious to everybody and there is no ambiguity. The mythology of "maybe someone will be confused with someone else when everyone involved can totally tell each other apart but they all look the same to me because I'm not involved" is the laziest form of concern trolling. Like, be better. Like, how many people do you think sneak into churches of the wrong denomination to "defile" them by violating their rules on eating some bread? Is that a credible threat? *Side note: Kids from unspoken disappointment or divorce where "It's not your fault" but it totally was were much more likely to be Antifa whereas kids from vocalized disappointment or acrimonious "the kid is totally a piece in play on the board" divorces tended towards Nazism.
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Hogge Wild posted:You mean like communists?
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Jan 25, 2017 10:49
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Jan 25, 2017 10:50
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Okay so to all the bleeding heart pearl clutchers, where should we draw the line? Are wedgies okay? Because I am very pro Nazi Wedgie Caucus. I hope that's not too extreme of a solution to an infamous hate group and you will consider this point seriously 
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Jan 25, 2017 10:51
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I just don't trust an assortment of anarchists and communists to draw the line for me. Imo nazis should be arrested by police and forced to disperse whenever possible. Leaving that job to citizens is just sloppy
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Jan 25, 2017 10:54
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Why would police interfere with their government-protected First Amendment rights? e: oh wait
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Jan 25, 2017 11:03
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Goa Tse-tung posted:gently caress this gently caress you Where he falls down is pretending there's something wrong with it, but up to that point he's on point. Poor fella just thinks all violence is the same, is all.
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Jan 25, 2017 11:08
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Wild Horses posted:I just don't trust an assortment of anarchists and communists to draw the line for me.
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Kilroy posted:I mean he's not wrong. Getting organized and going out and committing violence against fascists is literally antifascism. What else could it be? I changed his post tho you could say fixed...
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