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The water temple is almost as tedious as teaching goons to communicate
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Friend who has only played Ocarina 3D and was thinking about getting Breath of the Wild asked me to explain the timeline to him. Do you ever have a moment of self reflection after doing something and wonder "how did I get here"?
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Jan 24, 2017 04:26
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And you may ask yourself Where is that switch pro controller? And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful switch And you may tell yourself This is not my beautiful joycon Letting the launch go by Let the WiiU hold me down
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Jan 24, 2017 04:31
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s.i.r.e. posted:Well you said it was tedious, so how would you make it not tedious? In the 3DS version you literally just press a button to put the boots on and off and I don't see how that's tedious at all. ... ok well you're coming at this from a weird angle and I'm not going to claim to be a guy who knows better game design than the people who created this classic video game but I have thought about it a bit and I think what was frustrating me is the multi-level aspect of the puzzle fucks with the way I normally play a Zelda dungeon. Normally I travel down one path until I need a thing, so then I go down another available path until I find the thing. This just adds an extra layer where there are multiple paths that only work in certain situations and you have to figure out where the places to change them are and all that stuff. Just a lot of stuff to keep track of at once. Not that this is a bad dungeon or anything. I think I was overstating my dislike of the level earlier to be honest, it just played differently than I was expecting it to and from the sound of it it's not going to escalate from here, so I am just going to chill out and finish it now. 
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Jan 24, 2017 04:41
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In terms of exploration my basic plan at the start is to stick to the rivers and lakes that I'm used to.
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Jan 24, 2017 04:47
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codenameFANGIO posted:... ok well you're coming at this from a weird angle and I'm not going to claim to be a guy who knows better game design than the people who created this classic video game but I have thought about it a bit and I think what was frustrating me is the multi-level aspect of the puzzle fucks with the way I normally play a Zelda dungeon. Normally I travel down one path until I need a thing, so then I go down another available path until I find the thing. This just adds an extra layer where there are multiple paths that only work in certain situations and you have to figure out where the places to change them are and all that stuff. Just a lot of stuff to keep track of at once. I feel you, though, I feel like all of that tedium was removed in the 3DS version due to the game telling you where to go exactly for most of it and at a pace where it's easy to remember when you had to backtrack. The original version of the game, god, I must have spent hours on it because I kept going to areas that I didn't need to and there was no guides at all. By the time you had everything unlocked? Have fun remembering anything. That poo poo was miserable. Maybe it's because I'm not 10 anymore and maybe I wouldn't have that much trouble in the original version of the game at this point but OoT3D made the dungeon as tedium free as possible. Also, not loving having to pause and unpause when you needed the stupid boots. gently caress.that.poo poo.
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Jan 24, 2017 05:04
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:In terms of exploration my basic plan at the start is to stick to the rivers and lakes that I'm used to. I think you're moving too fast.
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Jan 24, 2017 05:06
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Nephzinho posted:Friend who has only played Ocarina 3D and was thinking about getting Breath of the Wild asked me to explain the timeline to him. Do you ever have a moment of self reflection after doing something and wonder "how did I get here"? Timeline's made up and the chronology don't matter. It's a legend.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:13
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dublish posted:It's a legend. What the gently caress
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Jan 24, 2017 06:33
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Yeah seriously the only reason nintendo started caring about the timeline was to market skyward sword as ~the prequel~. Outside of direct sequels your friend doesn't really need to know anything.
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Jan 24, 2017 06:41
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Most of the games in the series are direct sequels or prequels to exactly one other game in the series, and this is a good thing about them. Sometimes different ones are sequels to the same game, and they contradict each other. So they said, "Eh, we've got time travel in this series already, let's just say that's why they both exist."
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Jan 24, 2017 07:45
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youcallthatatwist posted:Yeah seriously the only reason nintendo started caring about the timeline was to market skyward sword as ~the prequel~. Outside of direct sequels your friend doesn't really need to know anything. Also hadn't Shigeru Miyamoto been saying for years that he had a definite timeline written out somewhere and it was a secret? The whole "timeline" thing has been going since at least Wind Waker. The Timeline is dumb and they can do whatever they want with it since they created 3 distinct timelines after OOT and who's to say they won't just say "Oh, well this timeline is from when Groose was the true Hero" for the next, Groose-descendants centered game.
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Jan 24, 2017 07:45
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I did it, everyone. I beat the Water Temple.
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Jan 24, 2017 16:05
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And it only took you eighteen years
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Jan 24, 2017 16:09
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Next time consult a gamefaq
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Jan 24, 2017 16:09
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codenameFANGIO posted:I did it, everyone. I beat the Water Temple. I'm proud of you.
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Jan 24, 2017 16:37
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pentyne posted:Also hadn't Shigeru Miyamoto been saying for years that he had a definite timeline written out somewhere and it was a secret? The whole "timeline" thing has been going since at least Wind Waker. The timeline debate goes back even further than Wind Waker. I spent a lot of time in in the late nineties arguing on LoZ forums about the 'True Timeline". I think OoT kicked off the major timeline debate because it told the story of the Imprisoning War that was in ALttP's prologue (or did it?!?), and obviously LoZ and AoL were connected. At that time the hot topic was whether there was one timeline or two, oh and even if there was one Link or multiple. Little did we know that in the future Nintendo would blow that debate out of the water with the reveal of the three timelines in Hyrule Historia. Ahh, good memories of arguing about something that doesn't matter in the slightest. And speaking of connected timelines, which Link is the "most adventured"? It should be ALttP because that same Link goes on to the two Oracle games and then LA before drowning at sea, right? I guess WW Link was in PH and ST but I haven't played them yet.
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Jan 24, 2017 16:46
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King of Foolians posted:And speaking of connected timelines, which Link is the "most adventured"? It should be ALttP because that same Link goes on to the two Oracle games and then LA before drowning at sea, right? I guess WW Link was in PH and ST but I haven't played them yet. He doesn't drown at sea god drat it.  I wish LA got a sequel that let us know he made it back safely.
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Jan 24, 2017 16:52
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Link to the Past Link's fate is ambiguous, and that is okay, and cool.
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Jan 24, 2017 16:57
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King of Foolians posted:I guess WW Link was in PH and ST but I haven't played them yet. Only PH actually. ST takes place 100 years later.
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Jan 24, 2017 17:03
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Regy Rusty posted:Only PH actually. ST takes place 100 years later.  BotW confirmed direct sequel to ST
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Jan 24, 2017 17:09
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https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/823924607686242305 Zelda sale for Europe!! Also includes DLC for Hyrule Warriors!!!
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Jan 24, 2017 17:33
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Hopefully that means cheap Majora's Mask 
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Jan 24, 2017 17:42
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Rexroom posted:https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/823924607686242305 Where do I get that hoodie?
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Jan 24, 2017 18:09
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Rexroom posted:https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/823924607686242305 A US sale would be nice too. The Dave posted:I think you're moving too fast. I'm gonna have it my way or nothing at all.
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Jan 24, 2017 18:15
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Cojawfee posted:I really liked the remote for aiming the bow or the claw shot. Joysticks are terrible for that. If they could do gyro aiming in breath of the wild, that would be cool. That's really the only thing it's good for though. Now that I've finished the game, I would rather have a normal controller. I still liked most of the game but the controls biffed it. The bow gyro aiming is badass and my favorite part of the game was doing the shooting minigame. It looks like that's carrying over? Don't want to lug it with the Gamepad tho, splatoon flashbacks D:
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Jan 24, 2017 18:44
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youcallthatatwist posted:Yeah seriously the only reason nintendo started caring about the timeline was to market skyward sword as ~the prequel~. Outside of direct sequels your friend doesn't really need to know anything. Literally every game since OoT makes its connections to other games obvious, so...
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Jan 24, 2017 20:08
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Ometeotl posted:Literally every game since OoT makes its connections to other games Lobvious, so... The 3D games do, but the 2D games have always been pretty ambiguous as to where they fit on the overall timeline.
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Jan 24, 2017 20:51
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So, to play Majora's Mask for the first time, what version should I get? 3DS or WiiU VC version?
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Jan 24, 2017 22:50
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pentyne posted:So, to play Majora's Mask for the first time, what version should I get? 3DS or WiiU VC version? 3DS. It's an updated remake with tons of quality of life upgrades and better graphics + framerate. the Wii U VC is just an emulated N64 game.
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Jan 24, 2017 23:07
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pentyne posted:So, to play Majora's Mask for the first time, what version should I get? 3DS or WiiU VC version? 3DS for all the modern concessions, but afterwards watch an LP of the 64 version to see all the original bosses etc
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Jan 24, 2017 23:14
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Hedrigall posted:3DS for all the modern concessions, but afterwards watch an LP of the 64 version to see all the original bosses etc They actually changed the bosses?  I never played the remake. I've liked everything i'd hear about it until now. That seems like a really weird thing to do.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:12
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Nephzinho posted:Friend who has only played Ocarina 3D and was thinking about getting Breath of the Wild asked me to explain the timeline to him. Do you ever have a moment of self reflection after doing something and wonder "how did I get here"? I tried to write a 'splitless' timeline around when ALBW came out just because I felt like it. So yes.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:12
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Phimosissy posted:They actually changed the bosses? Design wise they're all worse because they added huge eyeballs as weak points in places that don't make sense (Goht's new eyeball is on his back...) Gameplay wise some are worse but some are better. Odolwa's really fun now.
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Jan 25, 2017 00:52
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Rexroom posted:https://twitter.com/NintendoEurope/status/823924607686242305 Wait, wait, hold the gently caress up. Where do I get a sweet Hyrule Hoodie like his?
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Jan 25, 2017 03:29
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You're the second person to ask. I don't know but personally I like this one better: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/jo...si08aAlbi8P8HAQ
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Jan 25, 2017 03:33
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I love that this is in the suggestions http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/hsjh/ Who's going to wear this anywhere but to a con as a low-effort cosplay?
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Jan 25, 2017 08:01
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PerrineClostermann posted:I love that this is in the suggestions My very nerdy 18-year old coworker got that exact hoodie for Christmas and it is every bit as ridiculous as you can imagine. I certainly pretended like it was awesome though when he showed me.
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Jan 25, 2017 08:53
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Truly an example of subtle video game clothing to show off your passion to other fans.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Wait, wait, hold the gently caress up. Where do I get a sweet Hyrule Hoodie like his? According to google they sell it at the Nintendo World Store in New York and... nowhere else. 
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