SUK ZONE: it's all a pointless exercise and you're just screaming into the void

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GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

The reason some Dems voted against it is because they suck. It was a good amendment and they obviously miscalculated that no one would be paying much attention while returning some political favors.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:21

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# ? May 27, 2024 18:36

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

The reason some Dems voted against it is because they suck. It was a good amendment and they obviously miscalculated that no one would be paying much attention while returning some political favors.

prag *face stomped by boot* ma *face stomped by boot* tism

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:22

Error 404: Jul 17, 2009; MAGE CURES PLOT

Arkhams Razor posted:

Shouldn't have all the Democratic senators voted Yes anyway, if that were the case? Opportunity to claim populist cred with no risks.

Occam's Razor, assuming anything but they voted as they did intentionally, is just so much liberal fanfic

Pragmatic progressive and Compassionate Conservative mean the exact same thing

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:22

GOOD TIMES ON METH: Mar 17, 2006; Fun Shoe

Arkhams Razor posted:

Shouldn't have all the Democratic senators voted Yes anyway, if that were the case? Opportunity to claim populist cred with no risks.

The risk is pissing off people who will be hopefully funding your reelection over a bill that wont pass anyways. Of course, the risk going the other way is that it makes you look like a corporate shill.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:24

Concerned Citizen: Jul 22, 2007; Ramrod XTreme

Arkhams Razor posted:

Shouldn't have all the Democratic senators voted Yes anyway, if that were the case? Opportunity to claim populist cred with no risks.

in theory, yes. in practice, there might have been reasons why schumer allowed a free vote. like i said, these things are deliberately obscure since it's entirely theater where everything is designed to fail. there could have been a deal with mcconnell, for example, to have a handful of dems cross the aisle in exchange for something else of substance. or those dems might have been worried about domestic pharma industries/donors. or they might just want to lower the % of the time they vote with schumer. who knows? the vote was designed to allow dems to run ads against those senators in the future for voting against drug re-importation, along with whatever other dozen popular amendments the gop was forced to vote down. that doesn't require a party-line vote.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:27

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

I find Cenk extremely smug and off-putting. He basically only appeals to a very narrow segment and I just don't see him leading the way to a progressive majority.

https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/823081796422291456

I would amend this to add the analogous Goon Corollary.

I don't know if Chapo's talked about TYT at all, but I'm pretty sure they'd all agree with running socialist challengers against virtually any current Democrat.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:29

Lindsey O. Graham: Dec 31, 2016; "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

jarofpiss posted:

now that president trump has declared war on chicago and is planning the blitzkreig i feel like we are all owed an apology for anyone who thought running hillary clinton was ever ever ever a good idea

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:29

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Fidel Cuckstro posted:

I don't know if Chapo's talked about TYT at all, but I'm pretty sure they'd all agree with running socialist challengers against virtually any current Democrat.

Hence my Goon Corrollary. Fortunately I'm not wedded to the political line taken by the Chapo Trap House

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:36

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

The reason some Dems voted against it is because they suck. It was a good amendment and they obviously miscalculated that no one would be paying much attention while returning some political favors.

it's actually a bad amendment but it's better than the status quo

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:37

BornAPoorBlkChild: Sep 24, 2012

i just posted this because this is one of the best goddamn gif :v:

https://twitter.com/mmpadellan/status/824110395778539521

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:46

WhiskeyJuvenile: Feb 15, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo

actually democrats and republicans are exactly the same :smug:

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:52

Lindsey O. Graham: Dec 31, 2016; "We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

actually democrats and republicans are exactly the same

Quite true!

I would've expected much of the same mismanagement under Hillary as we are seeing with Trump.

It's amazing to me that others don't see this!

# ? Jan 25, 2017 06:59

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Dems need to double down on free trade - Trump's given them an opening to win back some moderate business folks. Stress the geopolitical advantages of TPP, how rescinding it empowers China. Soak in some defense industry donations by proposing a three point plan to depose Assad, restore Crimea to Ukraine, and expand NATO to pen in Putin.

This is what the voters want. This is what will win.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 07:03

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

GalacticAcid posted:

Dems need to double down on free trade - Trump's given them an opening to win back some moderate business folks. Stress the geopolitical advantages of TPP, how rescinding it empowers China. Soak in some defense industry donations by proposing a three point plan to depose Assad, restore Crimea to Ukraine, and expand NATO to pen in Putin.

This is what the voters want. This is what will win.

10/10 troll

# ? Jan 25, 2017 07:05

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

gotta earn my David Brock Bux

# ? Jan 25, 2017 07:08

Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

It's important that they fight Trump on the idea that the economy isn't doing well. Look at the DOW. It's up. Look at GDP. It's up. Americans are doing so well all of them bought insurance.

Fact. Check.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 07:08

Pomp: Apr 3, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Concerned Citizen posted:

it would be a pretty massive victory for dems to use their filibuster power to force trump to replace scalia with a moderate, but i suspect the gop will use the nuclear option

Just kill the entire supreme Court after Trump leaves Bing bong bing

# ? Jan 25, 2017 07:11

Ace of Baes: Jul 7, 1977

https://mobile.twitter.com/lhfang/status/824139428625059840

# ? Jan 25, 2017 07:26

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

reminder that if your purity percentage falls below 95 you're basically just as bad as Ted Cruz

# ? Jan 25, 2017 08:11

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Al-Saqr posted:

the sooner every spineless democrat get's purged from the party the better.

the goal of the democratic party is to win elections for democrats. it aint ideological purity, you authoritarian apologist.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 08:13

SpaceGoku: Jul 19, 2011

My Imaginary GF posted:

the goal of the democratic party is to win elections for democrats. it aint ideological purity, you authoritarian apologist.

not doing so hot at that first thing lately

# ? Jan 25, 2017 08:24

FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

blue squares posted:

Thoughts on this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.1da24d7a6b12

I like it, and I'm hopeful it takes off so I can support it.

I do question if it can be implemented correctly, but I like the concept of it. Even people who are critical of TYT seem to be going "Yes, this is a good idea".

This is where the Left Wing should be basing it's Tea Party out of. The rest of the party just seems utterly clueless save for the types that are trying to kickstart this sort of movement.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 08:32

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

logikv9 posted:

reminder that if your purity percentage falls below 95 you're basically just as bad as Ted Cruz

as the nazis march in lockstep to take over american cities, i feel like the most important issue at hand is who is most right

# ? Jan 25, 2017 08:53

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

My Imaginary GF posted:

the theoretical goal of the democratic party is to win elections for democrats

# ? Jan 25, 2017 08:54

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

GalacticAcid posted:

Dems need to double down on free trade - Trump's given them an opening to win back some moderate business folks. Stress the geopolitical advantages of TPP, how rescinding it empowers China. Soak in some defense industry donations by proposing a three point plan to depose Assad, restore Crimea to Ukraine, and expand NATO to pen in Putin.

This is what the voters want. This is what will win.

Hey now, if you're going to quote zoux's posts, you should at least have the decency of sourcing them.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 09:05

logikv9: Mar 5, 2009; Ham Wrangler

isn't that a yug quote

# ? Jan 25, 2017 09:09

Shinjobi: Jul 10, 2008; Gravy Boat 2k

GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

The risk is pissing off people who will be hopefully funding your reelection over a bill that wont pass anyways. Of course, the risk going the other way is that it makes you look like a corporate shill.

Which is pretty much how all who voted against the amendment look right now.

It was a god damned ball placed on a tee, and they swung at the sky.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 09:32

Jokerpilled Drudge: Jan 27, 2010; by Pragmatica

My Imaginary GF posted:

the goal of the democratic party is to win elections for democrats. it aint ideological purity, you authoritarian apologist.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 09:32

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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Yinlock posted:

as the nazis march in lockstep to take over american cities, i feel like the most important issue at hand is who is most right

we can't even get liberals to agree that punching a nazi that has called for genocide is ok, how are they supposed to be good allies against the nazi scourge?

# ? Jan 25, 2017 09:44

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

what the gently caress, amy klobachar

https://twitter.com/Scrumhalf1/status/823744995878281216

# ? Jan 25, 2017 10:19

Jonas Albrecht: Jun 7, 2012

Oh Tammy, thank you for proving your (duck)worth.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 10:24

Cactus Ghost: Dec 20, 2003; you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

oh gently caress you feinstein

# ? Jan 25, 2017 10:26

Philip Rivers: Mar 15, 2010

At least Kamala is cool and good

# ? Jan 25, 2017 10:28

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

schumer and kaine too

boy, those dems sure are something

# ? Jan 25, 2017 10:29

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

This is why Congress needs an age ceiling.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 10:37

Dead Cosmonaut: Nov 14, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Uncle Wemus posted:

what the gently caress, amy klobachar

https://twitter.com/Scrumhalf1/status/823744995878281216

when did Bennett grow a spine?

# ? Jan 25, 2017 11:16

Arkhams Razor: Jun 10, 2009

From glance-through of Senate Dem's Blueprint to Renew America's Infrastructure:

Plan as a whole is around 10x larger than the prospective Trump plan. $1 trillion in spending while creating 15 million jobs, all funded directly by the federal government.
Intro: Infrastructure is the backbone of our economy, which Americans use every single day. However, we have let it fall into disrepair, which has created problems in American's everyday lives (i.e. traffic jams, potholes, overcrowded subways, crumbling schools, no high-speed internet). Local governments stuck with impossible choice between letting quality of life deteriorate or raising taxes. Our bill is the answer. We will create a 21st century infrastructure system by investing directly with communities to avoid making the problem worse through privatization, which would damage people through the creation of more highway tolls and for-profit water and sewer systems. Will target all communities, and will include set-asides for small towns, rural areas, tribal lands, and underserved populations. With the middle class struggling, this plan will create 15 million well-paying middle class jobs in the hardest hit areas of the economy that cannot be outsourced.
Additionally, all construction will adhere to these principles: Only American provisions will be used, strong worker protection, strengthened participation of minority and woman-owned business, and accelerated construction while adhering to environmental regulations.
Costs will be upset by wringing money out of corporations and wealthy.
Uses "bipartisan" too much. Fine if it happens, but should not be the ultimate aim, particularly in a document laying out your own side's vision. If that sentiment has to be brought up, just say that the American people support it.
First is road and bridge repair, $100 billion framed around reducing costs to individual families by >$1700. Has a portion of the funding set aside for nominal use on incentivizing states/cities to pursue creative solutions. Also wants to restore funding to the Federal Highway Trust fund to ensure solvency.
Next comes "Revitalize America's Main Streets," a $100 billion proposal to invest in towns and rural communities. This is the best proposal out of the bunch in terms of appeal.
A $10 billion expansion in the TIGER Grant program, which are used for various city- or town-level infrastructure projects and are in high demand. Probably more important to people whom already know wha it is.
$100 billion to modernizing water and sewer system without burdening local governments with fees.
$50 billion in new rail infrastructure, $150 billion in repairing and improving existing infrastructure.
$200 billion for "Vital Infrastructure Projects." Rhetorical pitch is essentially MAGA: we no longer build tallest buildings/fastest cars/best highways, so let's do so. Vague about what exactly it applies to, but I'm guessing it's primarily meant as a rhetorical tool.
$75 billion to public schools to allow for modern infrastructure without raising local property taxes, with strong emphasis on public. In addition, reauthorized Qualified Zones Academy Bonds program, which target funding towards poor communities.
$30 billion in airports, $10 billion in ports and waterways.
$25 billion for natural disaster mitigation/prevention/relief in high-risk communities.
$100 billion to upgrade the national power grid, ramp up renewable sources of energy, and lower electric bills.
$20 billion for widespread and affordable high-speed internet, particularly expanding into underserved rural areas.
$20 billion for infrastructure on public land and Indian Country.
$10 billion in modernizing VA hospitals and care facilities. Given the fuckery the hiring freeze does to the VA, could see increased investment in it as a good angle to push.
$10 billion in financing innovation to reduce costs of future infrastructure work.
Brings up balancing budgets at several points; not that often, but here and there. Fine in a proposal, just to rhetorically cover their rear end, but bad if they put it front in center of their messaging.
Closes with emphasis on directly affecting American communities, and not privatizing public assets.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 11:37

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

Arkhams Razor posted:

From glance-through of Senate Dem's Blueprint to Renew America's Infrastructure:

Plan as a whole is around 10x larger than the prospective Trump plan. $1 trillion in spending while creating 15 million jobs, all funded directly by the federal government.

Intro: Infrastructure is the backbone of our economy, which Americans use every single day. However, we have let it fall into disrepair, which has created problems in American's everyday lives (i.e. traffic jams, potholes, overcrowded subways, crumbling schools, no high-speed internet). Local governments stuck with impossible choice between letting quality of life deteriorate or raising taxes. Our bill is the answer. We will create a 21st century infrastructure system by investing directly with communities to avoid making the problem worse through privatization, which would damage people through the creation of more highway tolls and for-profit water and sewer systems. Will target all communities, and will include set-asides for small towns, rural areas, tribal lands, and underserved populations. With the middle class struggling, this plan will create 15 million well-paying middle class jobs in the hardest hit areas of the economy that cannot be outsourced.

Additionally, all construction will adhere to these principles: Only American provisions will be used, strong worker protection, strengthened participation of minority and woman-owned business, and accelerated construction while adhering to environmental regulations.

Costs will be upset by wringing money out of corporations and wealthy.

Uses "bipartisan" too much. Fine if it happens, but should not be the ultimate aim, particularly in a document laying out your own side's vision. If that sentiment has to be brought up, just say that the American people support it.

First is road and bridge repair, $100 billion framed around reducing costs to individual families by >$1700. Has a portion of the funding set aside for nominal use on incentivizing states/cities to pursue creative solutions. Also wants to restore funding to the Federal Highway Trust fund to ensure solvency.

Next comes "Revitalize America's Main Streets," a $100 billion proposal to invest in towns and rural communities. This is the best proposal out of the bunch in terms of appeal.

A $10 billion expansion in the TIGER Grant program, which are used for various city- or town-level infrastructure projects and are in high demand. Probably more important to people whom already know wha it is.

$100 billion to modernizing water and sewer system without burdening local governments with fees.

$50 billion in new rail infrastructure, $150 billion in repairing and improving existing infrastructure.

$200 billion for "Vital Infrastructure Projects." Rhetorical pitch is essentially MAGA: we no longer build tallest buildings/fastest cars/best highways, so let's do so. Vague about what exactly it applies to, but I'm guessing it's primarily meant as a rhetorical tool.

$75 billion to public schools to allow for modern infrastructure without raising local property taxes, with strong emphasis on public. In addition, reauthorized Qualified Zones Academy Bonds program, which target funding towards poor communities.

$30 billion in airports, $10 billion in ports and waterways.

$25 billion for natural disaster mitigation/prevention/relief in high-risk communities.

$100 billion to upgrade the national power grid, ramp up renewable sources of energy, and lower electric bills.

$20 billion for widespread and affordable high-speed internet, particularly expanding into underserved rural areas.

$20 billion for infrastructure on public land and Indian Country.

$10 billion in modernizing VA hospitals and care facilities. Given the fuckery the hiring freeze does to the VA, could see increased investment in it as a good angle to push.

$10 billion in financing innovation to reduce costs of future infrastructure work.

Brings up balancing budgets at several points; not that often, but here and there. Fine in a proposal, just to rhetorically cover their rear end, but bad if they put it front in center of their messaging.

Closes with emphasis on directly affecting American communities, and not privatizing public assets.

let's see how long any of this lasts before it's replaced with a 2 trillion "into putin's gaping maw" measure by the GOP, and the blue dogs chipping away at it

# ? Jan 25, 2017 12:42

Gene Hackman Fan: Dec 27, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to... you know... come out with this plan before the election?

i mean, i could talk about how i plan to donate fifty million dollars in one lump sum to habitat for humanity, but if i never get in a position to have fifty million dollars in the first place it's not going to mean a loving thing.

...oh, right -- dread abuela would never have allowed it.

# ? Jan 25, 2017 12:45

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Fidel Cuckstro: Jul 2, 2007

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to... you know... come out with this plan before the election?

i mean, i could talk about how i plan to donate fifty million dollars in one lump sum to habitat for humanity, but if i never get in a position to have fifty million dollars in the first place it's not going to mean a loving thing.

...oh, right -- dread abuela would never have allowed it.

Wow, look who doesn't understand how politics really works

*falls in to a broom closet*

# ? Jan 25, 2017 12:52

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