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Several prominent climatologists released a book today presenting a model that suggests that warming can be limited to 2 degrees by keeping to the emissions limits set in the Paris Agreement and by producing at least 50% of the world's energy from zero-emissions sources by 2060. http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319469386#aboutBook
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Thug Lessons posted:Several prominent climatologists released a book today presenting a model that suggests that warming can be limited to 2 degrees by keeping to the emissions limits set in the Paris Agreement and by producing at least 50% of the world's energy from zero-emissions sources by 2060. This poo poo is so brutal, like a lot of very recent scholarship, because it was written in a world where the number one actor was presumed to remain committed to at least playing the game (albeit stubbornly). An article my team just published - as well as dozens of others in this small field - makes reference to federal agencies' mandates to incorporate climate change into their planning efforts (one of the big things the Obama admin did through executive order). Now it almost feels like we just published an artifact for a time capsule, rather than an instrument for future debate and development.
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Jan 24, 2017 21:17
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El Laucha posted:And yet the government wont invest in firefighting planes, not even 1, because lol gently caress you.
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Jan 24, 2017 21:19
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Thug Lessons posted:Several prominent climatologists released a book today presenting a model that suggests that warming can be limited to 2 degrees by keeping to the emissions limits set in the Paris Agreement and by producing at least 50% of the world's energy from zero-emissions sources by 2060. Released on the same day Canada and the USA commit to the Keystone XL pipeline. I can only imagine them screaming "gently caress" over and over because all that work just went right down the toilet. 
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Jan 24, 2017 21:19
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I'm carefully optimistic about the Trump administration releasing the pressure on nuclear to spite hippies and it resulting in the return of a glorious new clean power age for America. I mean, it's not like he's really gonna "bring back coal".
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Jan 24, 2017 21:21
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Fasdar posted:This poo poo is so brutal, like a lot of very recent scholarship, because it was written in a world where the number one actor was presumed to remain committed to at least playing the game (albeit stubbornly). An article my team just published - as well as dozens of others in this small field - makes reference to federal agencies' mandates to incorporate climate change into their planning efforts (one of the big things the Obama admin did through executive order). Now it almost feels like we just published an artifact for a time capsule, rather than an instrument for future debate and development. Yeah, that is really disheartening, but I wouldn't presume we now have to write off the US in the long term. It seems unlikely that Trump will be able to undermine Paris alone and he will eventually no longer be President.
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Jan 24, 2017 21:24
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Thug Lessons posted:Yeah, that is really disheartening, but I wouldn't presume we now have to write off the US in the long term. It seems unlikely that Trump will be able to undermine Paris alone and he will eventually no longer be President. Even if he only runs one term, the damage he will do is far more lasting. The subsequent administration doing their realistic hardest to run in the other direction isn't going to undo a generation of climate scientists being lost, four years of data that requires continuous and exhaustive analysis being stopped or sabotaged, redistribution of these public funds to other areas, foreign policy getting hosed and the world antagonized with economic wars, and the infrastructure switch in the wrong direction. Quoting from Alex Steffen's article, "it’s politically harder to force companies to abandon expensive investments than it is to prevent those systems from being built in the first place — the mere existence of a pipeline becomes an argument for continuing to use it."
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Jan 24, 2017 21:57
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Conspiratiorist posted:Even if he only runs one term, the damage he will do is far more lasting. The subsequent administration doing their realistic hardest to run in the other direction isn't going to undo a generation of climate scientists being lost, four years of data that requires continuous and exhaustive analysis being stopped or sabotaged, redistribution of these public funds to other areas, foreign policy getting hosed and the world antagonized with economic wars, and the infrastructure switch in the wrong direction. Quoting from Alex Steffen's article, "it’s politically harder to force companies to abandon expensive investments than it is to prevent those systems from being built in the first place — the mere existence of a pipeline becomes an argument for continuing to use it." The comment on infrastructure really nails it: the changes made by congress over the next two years - or, if they keep the pace up, the next few months - could have lasting repercussions on for the overall technological and scientific momentum of the system. Chilling effects alone - where bureaucratic administrations become paranoid and reluctant to speak out - are likely to outlast even a truncated Trump administration. Given that one of the most pressing needs is for science producers to connect more directly with regular people, this is especially lovely, annoying, frustrating, and, of course, highly beneficial to the current conservative movement. The effects of these efforts will effectively retard our capacity to develop on a mutually shared empirical basis, something we're already loving terrible at, which means the talons of talk radio idiocy will sink ever deeper into our collective skulls.
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Jan 24, 2017 22:12
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Cingulate posted:I'm carefully optimistic about the Trump administration releasing the pressure on nuclear to spite hippies and it resulting in the return of a glorious new clean power age for America. It's spelled O-I-L
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Jan 24, 2017 23:38
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Jan 25, 2017 04:53
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gently caress yeah, finally this lovely country's gonna die
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Jan 25, 2017 05:33
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No your country will survive due to advantageous geographic location and money, you kill several other countries though.
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Jan 25, 2017 08:51
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Zudgemud posted:No your country will survive due to advantageous geographic location and money, you kill several other countries though. We need to act preemptively to ensure any Florida climate refugees are funneled into states that are already as terrible and hosed up as Florida is
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Jan 25, 2017 09:09
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:We need to act preemptively to ensure any Florida climate refugees are funneled into states that are already as terrible and hosed up as Florida is Yeehaw Texas here we come!
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Jan 25, 2017 10:18
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:We need to act preemptively to ensure any Florida climate refugees are funneled into states that are already as terrible and hosed up as Florida is Or we just let Bugs Bunny do his thing
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Jan 25, 2017 10:22
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gently caress You And Diebold posted:We need to act preemptively to ensure any Florida climate refugees are funneled into states that are already as terrible and hosed up as Florida is Screw you, Miamites!
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Jan 25, 2017 10:31
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This is even more serious than it looks. One of the most important things the government does is collect and distribute data about the country. Trump is creating an environment where where his administration controls the public data that can be used to determine the state of the country: employment and economic data, housing data, environmental data etc. Undermining this can be catastrophic. For example, the Bush administration was found to have conducted "a systematic effort to manipulate climate change science and mislead policymakers and the public about the dangers of global warming." that set us back years. The Obama administration had put into place safeguards to protect the independence of researchers and scientists, but Trump has deliberately found a workaround. It is not idle speculation that Trump might doctor or suppress government data he dislikes. In case you missed the story from earlier, scientists and programmers have been trying desperately to archive what they can of existing data before he can get at it. Here's an account of one particular hackathon where "roughly 60 hackers, scientists, archivists, and librarians... collectively loaded 3,692 NOAA web pages onto the Internet Archive, and found ways to download 17 particularly hard-to-crack data sets from the EPA, NOAA, and the Department of Energy." The organizers call Trump a “Red loving Alert”. This communication crackdown also works to suppress dissent and outrage when an agency is a target to be unraveled. The EPA we knew would be a clear target. But I think it's telling how much the National Park Service has also been a target from the Trump administration recently. After the inauguration, Trump cracked down on NPS communications, and yesterday they deleted a number of tweets from one of the accounts. I infer it's not unlikely that Bannon/Kushner/Trump and company have plans to privatize and/or develop some national park lands.
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Jan 25, 2017 14:15
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Zudgemud posted:No your country will survive due to advantageous geographic location and money, you kill several other countries though. Haha, I love when people think America is going to be fine because we have "money", usually people that don't live here. All that money is in the hands of the rich and large multinationals, the average American has next to no ability to financially deal with an emergency climate related relocation or rebuilding. We're going to tell the Americans affected by climate change what we tell anyone who's suffering: "go gently caress yourself, and bootstraps bitch" Also Rime is correct that humans aren't worth saving, I'd much rather preserve the Amazon than your lovely kid. call to action fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Jan 25, 2017 |
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Jan 25, 2017 15:12
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call to action posted:Also Rime is correct that humans aren't worth saving, I'd much rather preserve the Amazon than your lovely kid. That's an extravagantly melodramatic false dichotomy.
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Jan 25, 2017 15:32
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call to action posted:Haha, I love when people think America is going to be fine because we have "money", usually people that don't live here. All that money is in the hands of the rich and large multinationals, the average American has next to no ability to financially deal with an emergency climate related relocation or rebuilding. You will be fine because you are not Bangladesh, Yemen, Egypt or the Maldives, piss poor countries with lovely location, you will most likely not even suffer many climate refugees because you are surrounded by two large moats. Your population will largely be fine compared to the world average because you have such a huge country rich in natural resources, population, state organisation, infrastructure, military and money that you can much easier mitigate the environmental effects of climate change and long term disruptions to international stability and trade. Climate change will generally not be dramatic but a slow increase in shittyness for the worst affected areas, most of your ordinary citizens will have time to realize that their current position is untenable and that they need to relocate to other parts of the nation.
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Zudgemud posted:You will be fine because you are not Bangladesh, Yemen, Egypt or the Maldives, piss poor countries with lovely location, you will most likely not even suffer many climate refugees because you are surrounded by two large moats. It'll only be one moat.
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https://www.apnews.com/c1423276fb574b07953651a68a082db9/EPA-contract-freeze,-media-blackout-leave-states-confused Alright, so two things are happening here. First, "a temporary suspension of new business activities at the EPA, including issuing work assignments to contractors" means that they have basically halted all EPA activities. The administration has crippled the EPA. Second, the gag order makes it illegal for them to talk to anyone about it. Aside from the aforementioned planned shift to have the agency go through the White House for future communications, what does halting all EPA activities mean, at this moment? The Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Endangered Species Act now have no primary regulatory or enforcement body. Let that sink in for a minute. The EPA, their primary regulatory and enforcement body, isn't taking any new business. That means that for the time being, any violations will not be subject to primary scrutiny or enforcement. Secondary Organizations can't step up because the EPA still technically exists, so it can't automatically be bypassed thanks to procedural rules. As long as this order stands, State EPAs are the thin Green Line in terms of protecting the environment. But that's dependent on not only the strength of the EPA state by state, but each state's corresponding Environmental Regulations, as the State EPAs won't be able to enforce on Federal Statutes due to the EPA still technically existing. It's really bad. Like really bad.
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Jan 25, 2017 19:22
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Someone needs to start dumping toxic waste on rich republicans' lawns ASAP.
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Jan 25, 2017 19:44
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"Two-thirds of Americans give priority to developing alternative energy over fossil fuels"
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Zudgemud posted:You will be fine because you are not Bangladesh, Yemen, Egypt or the Maldives, piss poor countries with lovely location, you will most likely not even suffer many climate refugees because you are surrounded by two large moats. Your population will largely be fine compared to the world average because you have such a huge country rich in natural resources, population, state organisation, infrastructure, military and money that you can much easier mitigate the environmental effects of climate change and long term disruptions to international stability and trade. Climate change will generally not be dramatic but a slow increase in shittyness for the worst affected areas, most of your ordinary citizens will have time to realize that their current position is untenable and that they need to relocate to other parts of the nation. Yeah this is all nice, except none of those resources will be used to do anything but secure the fortunes, lives, and property of the rich. I don't doubt things will be worse in Bangladesh, but let's not play the oppression olympics game, please. Most of our citizens simply do not have sufficient money to relocate TODAY, let alone after the worst of climate change starts to affect the economy.
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Jan 25, 2017 20:53
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Cingulate posted:"Two-thirds of Americans give priority to developing alternative energy over fossil fuels" Your facts are contrary to the Trump administrations vision. Off to prison!
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Jan 25, 2017 21:58
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Cingulate posted:Pretty sure firefighting planes have an extremely limited role and a bad cost/benefit ratio. Knowing your country's geography, and knowing that it burns every drat year in the same way and causes huge losses to both people and livestock, you'd think it would be worth it by now. Many national parks have burned badly, one of the trees that only grows in this region (Araucaria), is going extint from the climate change and the rest are burning down. It takes one tree around 1000 years to fully develop. Its the national tree! I'd think saving one of your country's simbol might be worth a plane or two. From what I understand, the plane itself doesnt fight the fire directy, but rather give coverage/support for the firefighters on the ground who are digging firewalls and whatever else they do to stop the spread of the fire.
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Jan 25, 2017 22:10
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Here's a thing that's spreading that I didn't see in this thread. http://www.scientistsmarchonwashington.com/ Make it spread more, all of yous.
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Jan 25, 2017 22:26
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Fangz posted:Someone needs to start dumping toxic waste on rich republicans' lawns ASAP. They'd be shot by cops and the cops wouldn't even be charged.
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ReidRansom posted:Here's a thing that's spreading that I didn't see in this thread. I will be at the one in my city
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Forever_Peace posted:I will be at the one in my city
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Jan 25, 2017 23:52
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Cingulate posted:All my US psychology/linguistics/neuroscience/machine learning/data science friends are signed up for this thing. https://twitter.com/AP/status/824374557893083146 As Bob Dylan once said: "Play it loving loud"
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Jan 25, 2017 23:55
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I wonder what Jon Haidt, Lee Jussim and the rest of the Heterodox Academy team are thinking right now.
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Forever_Peace posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/824374557893083146 This should even out the liberal bias of scientists.
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Cross-post from USPol/Trump thread: Al Gore is personally re-hosting the CDC climate change conference. The AltNatPark Twitter account is also at 1.2 million followers and rapidly climbing. We might be doomed, but attempts to muzzle how doomed we are haven't been going well.
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Oxxidation posted:Cross-post from USPol/Trump thread: The private facebook group of scientists for organizing the local scientists march in my city is now in the tens of thousands. A colleague of mine referred me to this today for some evening advocacy: https://whitehouseinc.org quote:Foreign leaders and Wall Street executives know that if they want to reach out to our President, they can just connect with his business associates. Now the American people have a direct line to Trump too. I'm sure these Trump representatives would love to hear how excited you are to share your thoughts about the nomination of Scott Pruitt to the EPA. (please be nice - the more excited you are, the better) Finally, just want to say that there's a reason hilarious poo poo like this keeps leaking: quote:On the morning after Donald Trump’s inauguration, acting National Park Service director Michael T. Reynolds received an extraordinary summons: The new president wanted to talk to him.
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Kinda surprised how muted government employees in climate change or environmental related agencies have been. At this point, working for the Trump administration should be seen as being a collaborationist.
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I'd be careful when attending those scientists march rallies. If you get arrested you could get put on a blacklist that would make it very hard to find employment in your field.
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qkkl posted:I'd be careful when attending those scientists march rallies. If you get arrested you could get put on a blacklist that would make it very hard to find employment in your field. It's probable that Trump is an actual authoritarian. If we don't march early and often, we got bigger problems.
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shrike82 posted:Kinda surprised how muted government employees in climate change or environmental related agencies have been. At this point, working for the Trump administration should be seen as being a collaborationist. qkkl posted:I'd be careful when attending those scientists march rallies. If you get arrested you could get put on a blacklist that would make it very hard to find employment in your field. Everyone is just trying to numbly move forward. Some are planning their exits, and some are simply hanging on in the notion that someone worse would be replacing them if they leave. Believe it or not, a lot of people doing government science do so out of a sense of patriotism and idealism, and their belief in the "system" is often much more intricate than most of the regular citizenry. The work I do will probably get kneecapped soon (DOI funds us), and while I may talk some jive here and there, I'm a quasi-institutional employee sheltered by a graduate school. For people in NASA, USGS, and the real science systems, public outreach and political advocacy are generally not strong points in the first place, and this situation is more likely to make them circle wagons. Basically, if you want more angry government scientists, advocate for more government social scientists. More to the point: government institutions belong to the people. By abandoning them, we abandon them to Trump. If something like inertia exists in the quality and nature of our government, it comes from the people working in the institutions of which it is made. Fasdar fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jan 27, 2017 |
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