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Mill Village posted:What Nightmare is best to start with for a newbie like me? Atomos (Dervish) is probably the easiest of the lot.
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I put together a kinda half-assed mage meta team and blew through a couple of fights far faster than my Luneth BSB + Greg BSB + Ramza Shout team ever could. I think I want to pick up more mage meta relics. So far I have: Quistis's BSB, which is ridiculously good. Terra's OSB and (underwhelming) BSB. The OSB hits hard enough with prep that I've seen it damage cap against ultimate bosses. Tellah's Bombcore for +30%ATK/MAG, which seems kinda lovely but I've not bothered leveling him yet. Gordon's Gungnir for another source of +30%ATK/MAG, on another unleveled character. I'm pretty sure that between Quistis and Terra I don't really need random black mage relics to make mage meta work, so much as specific good MAG buffs / hastega. With that in mind, a few questions. Is Terra "good enough" at filling a DPS role without her Tiara? I feel like I'm better served saving up mythril for the upcoming FFVIII and XIII banners (alongside the 2nd anniversary banners) since they offer buffs/breaks that'll make what I already have better. Is what I already have good enough to justify that stance? Are there other upcoming banners that are must pull, regardless of meta? The last hyped banner, XIV, ended up giving me nothing I could really use after two pulls, so I'm not sure how I feel about things like the upcoming TGCid banner. I already have 3 platinum swords, it isn't like I'm hurting for FFT synergy. What are important mage meta hones, once you get past the initial breakdown/proshellga required skills.
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Jan 26, 2017 01:45
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Hell yeah, finally beat Kaiser Dragon, thanks mostly to snagging a native Wall, which let me RW Vessel of Fate, and also Alphinaud's BSB. Still have to go back later and master it because he didn't go into lightning *or* water vulnerability, even though I would have mastered it if he'd done either one, which is kinda obnoxious, but oh well. Time to finally craft Meltdown  edit: Also, I'm looking at 6-star abilities, and so far the only ones that look good are Meltdown, Curada, Affliction Break, and Northern Cross. Are the 6-star summons worth it? Valigarmanda looks neat since it's basically just Meltdown, and could probably be fun on Alphinaud, but it competes with Northern Cross for Ice crystals. On the other hand, Neo-Bahamut competes for Non-Ele and Dark orbs with Affliction Break. It feels like a shame not to eventually craft one of the summons, just because what the hell else am I ever going to use those crystals for, but I dunno if Affliction Break and Northern Cross are both so much better that it's just worth skipping them or not. I'll probably already never get to craft Curada just because I'd rather spend the earth crystals on honing Meltdown at least once, which is already going to take me like another year of playing. Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Jan 26, 2017 01:58
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Nerves got the better of me and I made a Summoner's Banner pull, which I'm...not really regretting, actually.  A dupe Fairy Flute and dupe Tiny Bee. No (good) Bursts, but plenty of new relics. I'd give it all up for a Veil of Wiyu right now, but it's still plenty of new armament. Now to actually try Valigarmanda. Oh, and before I forget, got that rear end in a top hat Necrophobe down thanks to a combination of Rosa's Heal+MBlink and Minfilia's Last Stand SBs.
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Jan 26, 2017 02:40
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FeralWraith posted:Nerves got the better of me and I made a Summoner's Banner pull, which I'm...not really regretting, actually. Yeah when you pull 7/11 relics I don't think you get to complain.
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Jan 26, 2017 03:15
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Hell yeah, finally beat Kaiser Dragon, thanks mostly to snagging a native Wall, which let me RW Vessel of Fate, and also Alphinaud's BSB. Still have to go back later and master it because he didn't go into lightning *or* water vulnerability, even though I would have mastered it if he'd done either one, which is kinda obnoxious, but oh well. I know you're a little behind us "complete everything" types on crystals as a newer player, but a few notes: I currently have Northern Cross and Meltdown at Rank 2. I also have Valigarmanda and Curada crafted and 25 and 23 ice and earth crystals. I don't remember if you were able to complete the five dooms, but if you were, then realistically the only conflicts you need to worry about are Power Crystals and Northern Cross/Snowspell Strike if you want to go past rank 2. Valigarmanda is near unhonable because summon crystals, but that's cool because Alphinaud. There's not much reason not to have rank 1. Curada I use ALL THE GODDAMN TIME and it's amazing. It's 4 casts at rank one and absolutely worth it.
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Jan 26, 2017 04:43
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Holy poo poo. I finally took the link in the OP to see what's coming up on future banners, talk about information overload. Now I have no idea what I should be pulling on. I really just want an A team to clear weeklies and start dipping into torment, which means I need to be thinking about roles. Currently tyro (just wall), raines BSB, beatrix BSB + magic blink, minfilia BSB, and gilgamesh BSB OSB + SSB. I feel like I should be trying to get a solid medica, but even if I did I don't know who I would drop. Having neither a party heal nor stackable buff/debuffs is hurting, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what banners will have the best chance of fixing that.
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Jan 26, 2017 05:46
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Well, I don't understand Neo Bahamut. I also looked at that chart for Valigarmanda a couple pages ago and I'm stumped there, too. Of course my real first priority is probably Curada (or maybe Kaiser)...
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Jan 26, 2017 05:51
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way to go steve posted:Holy poo poo. I finally took the link in the OP to see what's coming up on future banners, talk about information overload. Now I have no idea what I should be pulling on. You drop Gilgamesh once you get a good Medica. The retaliate feature of his BSB is occasionally handy, but mostly dated - you'll get much more mileage or if Lionheart RM and rating the hits, and Beatrix 1) has the taunt side of that covered, and 2) Imperil's Holy to enable your Minfilia and Raines shitkicking crew to kick poo poo. Short term, you've got a few options: The summoner Nightmare banner is actually quite good for this! About a third to half of the relics are Medica's, including several burst Medica's! Other options include tomorrow's FFT banner - Ovelia's SSB Heal isn't bad, and TG Cid or Agrias would both fit in handily with the holy squad you've got there. Similarly, next week's FF4 banner has another holy OSB on a banner with a burst medica (Rosa's). Once you have a Medica, your next target is definitely an ATK/Mag 30% buff. Celes's Maria's Song is probably the best fit for the team you've built and replaces Tyro (you can RW Wall when needed, and with 4 or 5 BSB's Hastega is somewhat deprecated), though plenty of others will work just fine. And of course, if you hit it big with TG Cid, slap him in over Tyro and RW Wall and watch things die. Chevy Slyme fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Jan 26, 2017 06:02
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KPC_Mammon posted:I put together a kinda half-assed mage meta team and blew through a couple of fights far faster than my Luneth BSB + Greg BSB + Ramza Shout team ever could. I think I want to pick up more mage meta relics. Tellah's Bombcore is actually incredibly good despite the self-doom because it puts Intant Cast 1 on the entire party along with the ATK/MAG +30%. With a little timing you can pull off some shenanigans with that. Tellah himself is a decent enough sage. Terra is a mighty fine damage dealer even if you don't have her EnFire SSB, especially so since you'll have a chunky +20 MAG on her thanks to having her BSB and OSB once they are mastered. As far as mage meta hones go, all the Chain -agas are worth the investment. Memento Mori & Dark Zone are great if you ever get a good Darkness mage on hand.
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Jan 26, 2017 07:18
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Tellah's Bombcore is actually incredibly good despite the self-doom because it puts Intant Cast 1 on the entire party along with the ATK/MAG +30%. With a little timing you can pull off some shenanigans with that. Tellah himself is a decent enough sage. Memento Mori less so as long as Tellah's in the party; it doesn't stack with other faithga's, so the main reason to use it in a Mage focused party where you'll have one of those is for the doom buff to Dark zone and other darkness abilities and soul breaks. But if you can get a doom from elsewhere it frees up a slot, for utility stuff, or, in the future, something like Necrofear.
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Jan 26, 2017 07:25
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Memento will stack with Tellah's buff though since it's a different ID. But if you RW something like Sheepsong or Ley Lines then yeah, it's a less useful slot at that point.
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Jan 26, 2017 07:36
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It sounds like I can already make Mage Meta work, assuming I don't need a bsb medica for the fight and RW sheepsong/ley lines. Right now I can bring Miracle Prayer or Medica II. Something like the following? Quistis: Wrath/PowBreak, BSB, +MAG materia Terra: Chaingas, OSB, +MAG materia Tellah: Chaingas/Protectga, Last Gasp, Mako Might Tyro: Fullbreak/MagBreak, Wall, Dr. Mog's Teachings Y'sh or Vanille: Curaga/Shellga, Medica, Battle Forged RW: sheepsong/ley lines Or maybe wait until I can dive Quistis to 5* Black Magic (Just need a handful of spirit motes)? I'm tempted to give Quistis Mental Break, but I'm worried doing anything other than Wrath or her BSB would end up a DPS loss. PowBreak at least helps survivability. Her BSB is really absurd. Edit: Looks like we are 2 events away from a Rubicante raid that'll give me the motes I need. Edit 2: Which means I probably won't get those motes before the nightmare dungeons close. Looks like I'll need to wait until next time to pick up meltdown. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Jan 26, 2017 08:12
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Did the Summoner Nightmare 2 by brute force, was way easier. 3x Alpinaud BSB is OP Is there a good reason not to make Valigarmanda if I have Alpinaud's BSB?
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Jan 26, 2017 11:37
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djfooboo posted:Did the Summoner Nightmare 2 by brute force, was way easier. 3x Alpinaud BSB is OP Best argument against it is that the BSB command 1 is already amazing DPS, probably higher than Valleygurlamanda is.
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Jan 26, 2017 12:04
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The best reason to make Tritoch also makes it unnecessary. I love it.
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Jan 26, 2017 13:00
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djfooboo posted:Did the Summoner Nightmare 2 by brute force, was way easier. 3x Alpinaud BSB is OP Realistically, the crystals it takes aren't going to get used in anything else if you cleared 5 rooms and shattered things.
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Jan 26, 2017 14:27
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CaptainPsyko posted:You drop Gilgamesh once you get a good Medica. The retaliate feature of his BSB is occasionally handy, but mostly dated - you'll get much more mileage or if Lionheart RM and rating the hits, and Beatrix 1) has the taunt side of that covered, and 2) Imperil's Holy to enable your Minfilia and Raines shitkicking crew to kick poo poo. Thanks for taking the time. I was feeling the redundancy between beatrix and gilga, and I do like that holy imperil, so I'll keep focusing on her. I guess I was stressing over my pulls because I'm worried about spreading too thin. I'd rather have a couple sbs for one solid team member, instead of a bunch of one-ofs. Didn't know if I should be concentrating my pulls on a particular banner, but I guess there's no accounting for rng. I'll take a pull at tactics 1 today and see where that leaves me. Worst case, the team I have now has gotten more done than I thought I would. And it's not like I have eggs to level new guys anyway, used em to build up for multiplayer fights. Gonna keep trying at ultima wep apoc today. Seems like every time I try to support, so does everyone else. I bring damage, and noone wants to break or heal.
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Jan 26, 2017 14:54
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Get into the discord (see OP), win. I'll be up for an hour or so if you wanna run it
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Jan 26, 2017 15:00
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way to go steve posted:Thank Bring Minfilia and Raines to the apoc. If someone else is runnning breakdowns, cast Saints across, otherwise run burst commands. Boom, breaks covered. It's why she's such a great piece for a holy team. Host the group, and kick anyone who isn't bringing a healer. One of them is almost guaranteed to be a wall-having Y'shtola. You're not being an rear end in a top hat by doing this because. Let people queueing have a medica and the fact that you don't means you need to be there to smash a face. Raines is v. v. good at smashing a holy vulnerable face.
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Jan 26, 2017 15:02
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I honed lifebane to r2 recently after I got vaan's osb dagger. With most of my monks either capable of 5 hits with an attack/mag boosting rw, or short of it by 10 or so attack at level 65, I figured it was a good idea to finally give my monks a killer move. Turns out the soft cap is letting me down in terms of it's damage, but I guess that's what you get for physical non-elemental moves. So now I need to focus on getting those monks capable of 5-hits without dragoon's determination, letting me use the 30% monk dmg rm instead. And I mean cid mission style, I have enough boostgas to get any monk to 5 hits, but at that point why not just only focus on one monk? That's boring.
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Jan 26, 2017 15:17
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Oh also! Don't worry about "spreading yourself too thin". Outside of a handful of very strong combos (Enelement + OSB shenanigans), or SB centric builds with wrath and entrust on the likes of Y'shtola, multiple SBs on a character rarely has much additional utility. You just use one repeatedly most of the time. Given that, once you have the key a-team pieces like a medica covered, you mainly want breadth in realm representation, elemental coverage, and unique effects like blinks, boosts, faiths, hastes, runic, etc.
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Jan 26, 2017 15:20
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Sprite141 posted:I honed lifebane to r2 recently after I got vaan's osb dagger. With most of my monks either capable of 5 hits with an attack/mag boosting rw, or short of it by 10 or so attack at level 65, I figured it was a good idea to finally give my monks a killer move. Attack soft cap should be raised in the next few weeks iirc
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Jan 26, 2017 15:30
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way to go steve posted:
Like inge said, if you can join discord goons will absolutely help you out. Especially if you're full support, there are a lot people that can blow the boss up no problem, he's an easy one. I'm usually around after 8 pm central and will be happy to help.
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Jan 26, 2017 16:16
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Thanks for all the tips! I tried ultima a few times bringing cid and beatrix. Thought her holy imperil and magic blink would be helpful. I was doing good damage, just wasn't staying alive long enough. And as for spreading thin, I'll try to keep that in mind. I'm mostly annoyed that I didn't use more of my first pulls on 14, instead of keepers choice. I have yshtolas wall, and if I had gotten native asylum, hoo boy. If the info about ultros' choice banner is accurate I'm going to want to go ham on that one. I'm sure I'm just spoiled by the good luck I've had. I've done a lot considering I've been playing for three weeks, haha
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Jan 26, 2017 16:24
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Inge posted:Attack soft cap should be raised in the next few weeks iirc Sweet. The apoc dungeon isn't giving me too much issue save for the continuous aoe. Thanks to arc's ssb blink I can keep it at bay, but a gush of stones followed by tsunami will typically down at least one dude without a medica tossed out. If I try the 250 dungeon, it will have to include a second healer. If only tyro wasn't a dead weight with his drawtaliating, I could bring yshtola for ss2 and her heavy regen ssb. I'd fail to put out enough damage to kill the boss anyway. My only good water damage in the fight is one waterja. Maybe I could switch out edea for garnet ao I can use leviathan, not to mention her ssb gives a bigger faithga and a curada effect. Then I could utilize yshtola to carry my proshellga needs, and have arc carry haste to combat the lack of edea's hastega.
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Jan 26, 2017 16:33
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Can someone explain what's good about the FFT banner tomorrow? I'm trying to work out whether I should pull on it, or on the summoner nightmare banner.
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Jan 26, 2017 16:45
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hooman posted:Can someone explain what's good about the FFT banner tomorrow? Orlandeau' OSB is the best OSB in the game; it does holy/thunder damage at a higher than normal OSB Multiplier, the weapon has +holy (and isn't synergy locked like most OSB weapons), and gives "thunder god" mode which is fastcast for the next several actions. So you can chain fast cast OSB's for mega damage. His BSB isn't bad either, and all of Agrias's good relics, including her very solid burst are there too.
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Jan 26, 2017 16:51
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So reading the information in the OP I'm pretty sure my team isn't doing too great right now. I was wondering what I could improve on: Alphinaud: Veil Wiyu +2, Evoker's doublet Y'shtola: Omnirod +2 Kain: Lightbringer Cecil: only shared stuff Papalymo: Mage staff, Wizard's gloves When it comes to super/burst/etc... I have Buster Sword, Air knives, Demonsbane, 1st fusion sword, Curtana, Tiny bee, Rhomphaia, Aldebaran, Serah's gloves. Which is not much :v Is there a better team I could form out of these? I'm guessing throwing in Cloud could help, maybe replace Papalymo with him?
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Jan 26, 2017 17:02
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EPIC fat guy vids posted:So reading the information in the OP I'm pretty sure my team isn't doing too great right now. I was wondering what I could improve on: Minfilia with Curtana is a straight upgrade over Cecil and a massive one.
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Jan 26, 2017 17:08
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Mill Village posted:What Nightmare is best to start with for a newbie like me? There's quite a few that's been outclassed by the new bsbs. Like the first EPIC fat guy vids posted:So reading the information in the OP I'm pretty sure my team isn't doing too great right now. I was wondering what I could improve on: Palp has the best mage boost ssb in the game so far. I'd build a mage team around him. A mix of 4 mages plus 1 breakdown support character is a good start. You really don't want to mix fighters and mages unless you have a mag/attack boost. Dump Kain and Cecil. Slot in a good versatile support like Ramza (he can support, knight, and ninja which is great) and one more white mage/sage. This way you can pop protectga / shellga immediately and then use two mages to RW Cid Raines for DPS
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Jan 26, 2017 17:13
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ApplesandOranges posted:Atomos (Dervish) is probably the easiest of the lot. No it isn't!  I have Locke and Refia's BSBs as well as a 99 OK with SSB, Shout and Wall and I can't Zerg fast enough. He always eats gems and blows me up. Can you give me a good strat? I have tons of 99s and good physical gear and I feel like a chump because everyone says he's easy and I can't do enough damage fast enough  Oh, and even if I could beat him, Dismissal refuses to ever proc. Should I use something else like Ramza's Hail of Stones?
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Jan 26, 2017 18:01
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You do have to kinda do the mechnics... Yeah you aren't really gonna be able to burst him down before he gets at least his first set of gems in.
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Jan 26, 2017 18:04
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If you have Wall then just blow up the gems and eat the damage. Also bring an AoE healer. I killed him first go and he never ate a single gem because I kept blowing them up
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Jan 26, 2017 18:08
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I know everyone has complained about this already, but nightmare kaiser dragon's medal requirements are a special kind of bullshit.
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Jan 26, 2017 19:15
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Inge posted:Attack soft cap should be raised in the next few weeks iirc Not just few weeks. Pretty sure it's tonight with the FFT event.
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Jan 26, 2017 19:16
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Dr Pepper posted:Not just few weeks. Pretty sure it's tonight with the FFT event. Yeah, first increase is tonight. There is a second increase coming up a bit later.
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Jan 26, 2017 19:19
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First increase is to 700, right? What's the next increase?
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Jan 26, 2017 19:25
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KPC_Mammon posted:I know everyone has complained about this already, but nightmare kaiser dragon's medal requirements are a special kind of bullshit. He cycles through every element exactly once during the second phase, so if you don't get the ones you need right away you can stall a little bit to reduce the rng. Also because of power creep, it's possible to only hit one of the medal vulnerabilities and still master as long as you don't drop any medals for KOs/damage/turns taken. It is still bullshit though.
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Jan 26, 2017 19:29
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I'm seriously tired of geosigneo critically hitting me every time he uses his bullshit defense ignoring attack.
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Jan 26, 2017 19:35
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